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In Reply to: Re: Most of the answers are prefaced by "that depends ...." posted by thetubeguy1954 on April 16, 2007 at 10:49:14:
It is not "fact" or necesserally agreed by anyone else or even "true".If you want to plug in some numbers you will have to ask him. No-one else can tell what is in his mind.
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Clifff,I agree that it is ONLY Aczel's opinion. Yet so many here support this opinion as if it's a fact! Some yourself included go on the attack when I refer to it as Aczel's dogma. Dogma can be defined as: "An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true."
As an opinion it holds no more weight than anyone else's, as dogma it's in an entirely different catagory. As you now state it's only an opinion. I'm good with that and wish to go on record as stating I believe Aczel's opinion is a faulty one that has no evidence of any peer reviewed published studies that support it. Hence like you said Clifff it's just his opinion, nothing more and nothing less.
Have a nice day...
Thetubeguy1954
Who has said differently here? Besides yourself, that is. References please.The word "opinion" in professional or technical matters usually refers to "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." But the meaning does vary with the context.
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"Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
Pat D, in his typical fashion when called to the carpet to defend his beliefs is starting to back wheeling, back tracking, back peddling, back stabbing, oopps! Even though in previous rebuttals to comments I've made Pat D has specifically mentioned "properly designed" concerning audio components as if that term meant something to him, now Pat D is claiming this term is ONLY Aczel's opinion and if I want to know what it means I need to ask Aczel.However it's my contention that if a person uses a term in defense of their POV and to argue against anothers, then that term is now one that they've accepted, embraced and now used! That makes it more than simply another's opinion, otherwise why would they use it? Pat D claims he makes up his own mind and doesn't simply follow what Real JJ, Klaus, Clifff, Dan Banquer or Aczel says blindly as I suggested Pat D does. So if that's true shouldn't Pat D be able to defend what "properly designed" is and what makes an audio component such? If Pat D cannot do that how can he intelligently make the comments he does below?
Pat D said: "With 3 foot line level interconnects and 10 foot speaker cables, it's quite a different matter. Show that the differences are sufficient to be audible with properly designed equipment ."
Pat D whines that I didn't quote him correctly so here's his version of how it should have been quoted: You didn't give the entire relevant quote. Although I have told you that I do not exempt line level interconnects and speaker cable from LCR effects, you persist in implying that I do, thus creating a Straw Man. In this instance, you neglected to quote the last sentence, "Show that the differences are sufficient to be audible with properly designed equipment ." This clearly implies there will be some effects, and the measurements at Audioholics.com show that. You evidently haven't bothered to read the relevant articles there. But under what conditions are the differences audible?
Ok Pat D here's a reference where you've used "properly designed" yourself as a defense of your audio POV and not simply as a reference to Aczel's opinion. So PLEASE defend your usage of the trem and define what "properly designed" is and what makes an audio component such? If it's really your opinion and not just you following the objectivist leader again, you should now what "properly designed" it is and what makes it so!
Thetubeguy1954
You must consider me an authority.Below is the whole thread illustrating your confusions on the whole matter.
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"Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
Pat D I consider you to be an authority on all the things I wouldn't want to associate with. Incapable of making up your own mind, Contradicting yourself, Asking the blatantly obvious to be explained, Twisting the truth to fit your warped POVs, Seldom if ever providing a real answer to the questions asked of you and worse things that I won't go over yet once again.You're a bitter, jealous man who for some reason is obsessed with disproving virtually everything I say. I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you. It must be horrible to have what I say affect you so deeply. Haven't you noticed how I've stopped responding to what you say, unless you're responding to one of my posts or within a thread I've started? Why don't you try doing the same? Stop responding to what I say, unless I'm responding to one of your posts or within a thread you've started? I know your defensive nature is already looking for a way out of this suggestion. I'm sure it will be something along the lines of it's a public forum and we can all respond to whom we wish to.
But this is different, YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH ME! I know you're obsessed for I've asked you numerous times to simply stop responding to my posts and I'll stop responding to yours, but you simply just cannot do this. Your compulsive need to respond to my posts is out of your control. This need is so great it renders you incapable of doing just this one very simple thing. In fact your obsession is such that you almost always need/crave and must have that last word. But I'm going to help you out OK? First sell all that mid-fi crap you call an audio system. Second go buy a real stereo I'll even make some suggestions if you'll tell me what you can afford. I promise it will sound a lot better than what you listn to now. Finally go see a real therapist and be honest with them. In a few months you'll be a lot happier and in the end so will everyone else here at PHP!
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"Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
Pat,Once again your back wheeling, back tracking, back stabbing, oopps. I ALWAYS realized it was ONLY an opinion and a highly flawed one at that. It's you and some of your fellow very vocal, very mistaken minority LFO's that appeared to accept Acze's opinions as dogma, NOT me.
Now that you've all been called to the carpet to support your beliefs in Aczel's assinine assessments, by giving actual fiqures to his criteria, as to when an amp will be transparent when it follows this criteria, now you claim it's only Aczel's opinion, who are we to answer for Aczel etc. That's what happens when you allow others to makeup your mind for you Pat. When you cut and paste parts from posts and articles by Real JJ, Klaus and Aczel amongst others and claim their ideas as your beliefs, it's hard to explain why you believe what you do, isn't it?
My advice is stop worrying about me and what I believe, you'll be a lot happier for it. Personally I don't believe you're capable of letting your obsession with me go. Try thinking for yourself instead of just simply believing what Real JJ, Klaus or Aczel says, That way next time you attack subjectivists with a comment you'll know why you believe what you said and you won't have to cower and say when questioned go ask Real JJ, Klaus or Aczel etc, it's their words, NOT mine! You really look very foolish when you do that.
Funny thing is you honestly believe you're this intelligent debator and philosophist. Yet except for a couple of your fellow LFO's who "pat" you on the back when you post like DB, you come off as a person who cannot make up his mind, doesn't really know what he believes and almost always back wheels and back tracks when pressed for an answer. Then you revert to obfuscating by asking for the blatantly obvious to be explained to you (I guess to give you time to think) and then you start pretending everyone else is changing their ground, when the reality is you're just finally seeing the question for what it really is.
I told you more than once, PLEASE just ignore me and I'll ignore you. You have absolutely NOTHING of value to add to any topic I raise and I'm growing weary wasting my time explaining the blatantly obvious to you over and over again...
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