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hey i am running a small project studio here and i am having a problem deciding which route i should take to "warm" up my drum sounds....I produce hiphop..basically i would be running drum sounds out of my hi quality soundcard into either aReel to Reel (looking at a pioneer rt 909, and i would be hitting the tape hard for that nice warm tape saturation)
or
A tube line amp
basically i would be sending my drums through my soundcard into either of these pieces and then running them back into my soundcard and therefore back into my computer.....which route would you guys reccomend? note regardless of which route nothing over 1000....i would prefer something vintage......not brand new....60's-80's maybe?thanks a lot
oh and note: i am not interested in any plug ins.....
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I dont really know if this is what you are looking for. I have a 601-2 Ampex Tape Recorder, leathercase and all in very good cond. In storage for 20 years. I am sure it needs to be retubed ect. Regards, Otto
Actually, I am using this at home after the CD to tailor the sound to my liking. Very intuitive controls.You can manipulate bass from deep, floor crumbling, to very tight. Bass tweaking does not affect midrange at all, unless you want it.
It's best to minimise the number of times you process the
signal (change from A to D & D to A & then to Digital again)
you will lose some drum impact/slam the shortest & simplest
signal path is best .Maybe drums to signal enhancer & then finaly to digital (soundcard)
Also Rolands plugin sugestion is the cheapest & easiest, worth a try.
Audition a SPL
Audition an SPL (sound performance labs) Vitaliser MkII Tube for about
$1000 or for half that the Vitaliser MkII (no tube stage).
Also BBE Sonic Maximiser 882 Or 482 are good.
Do a google search for both these websites.
These are Psychoacoustic enhansers and there versatility across the
entire Frequency range can do much more than warm up the bass.
Take a CD of the music to a pro audio shop to audition them.Regards Enrico.
Pity you aren't interested in plug-in's, they would easily be your best answer.Be careful buying a lot of the so called vintage gear out there, much of it is a waste of money. Pushing on reel to reel tape is an art, that few good engineers know how to get right, and the Pioneer is not what I would describe as a classic machine, Studer/Ampex and possibly Otari, then you might be talking. Returning to the question of plug-ins, you shouldn't even need to go out buying them, what you looking to achieve is perfectly possible with those supplied as standard with packages such as Logic Audio, Cubase, etc.
Regards
Roland
roland i find plugins not capable at all to do what i want to do...i have a whole lotta plug ins...the whole waves line...these are LOVELY for a lotta things..just not what i am going for herei am not talking about 2 inch decks...i mean 1/4 1/2 type decks
what plugins are you talking about?
I guessed you meant 1/4" and 1/2" recorders, just don't think that pioneer has ever made anything up to a standard that will produce that "warm, tape push" sound you are looking for. As for plug-ins I've done this with Logic audio, and it was quicker, easier, and achieved brilliant results just using their standard plug-ins. Compress the signal a little to taste, apply distortion generator, just a tad, and eq. Amp simulator might also work. If you can't get what you want from these, I would respectively suggest that the problem then lies with your original source sound. Anyone that suggests to you that warm sound is a result of analogue gear is talking nonsense, I can name as many very digital recordings that are full of warmth, as I can name many cold clinical sounding analogue recordings. Its all down to the skill of the musicians and the engineers/producers that record them. Don't try to test out loads of plug-ins, just get to grips with a few.Good Luck
Roland
i have the whole line of waves....i feel i have mastered these....what would you use out of these plugins to get what i am going for?
Only what I mentioned above. Its not just the tools, its how you use them. I just mixed a Jazz album that I recorded live in Ronnie Scott's London. Its mixed in surround and is for a forthcomming DVD release. I used distortion on the Accoustic guitars to warm them up a little, and to make them sound more "real". Two hours of a live gig mixed entirely within Logic Audio, 23 recorded tracks as I remember, the mix ran 2 hours. I was assisted in the mix by a very good engineer (and personal friend) who has spent the last 15 years working in major residential studios with acts from Cradle of Filth to Joan Armatrading and as we both agreed, we would have been pushed to achieve the result we did in any of the best facilities in the world. Noise, signal degradation and pure ergonomics would have made the job much more complicated. We particulary discussed how in this day and age use of analogue machines was both costly in time/maintainance and materials, and how all the objections that had been there in the early days of digital were by and large irrelevant with the current level of technology available. Good microphones and input channels possibly being the only real exceptions. As for Hip-hop bass drum sounds, I would pretty much guess that any you hear on commercial releases, probably have never been anywhere near a analogue tape recorder, as almost all will be samples.Good Luck
Roland
rolandthats the thing...i know for a fact that tons of hiphop producers have large gear closets of old school analog gear.....thats one of the many things that has me hooked on this purchase idea
A very dear friend of mine has had three top 20 singles in the UK this year, all recorded on pro-tools and a Mackie desk! Don't believe all that you hear.Regards
Roland
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