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Hello
We are building 2 22ft x 25 ft x 10 ft mixing studios for 5.1
Films . The Chair of our Dept, is looking at A.D.A.M studio monitors,
they are powered units which sort of makes it simpler . Any one out
here have any experience with these and or any other reccommendations?Thank You
Rich
Follow Ups:
If you're planning a film room, I'm very surprised that nobody's pointed out the potential need for rear dipole monitors.Miller & Kriesel make monitors that are switchable to and from dipole mode, and are a standard monitor in west coast film dubbing.
Check 'em out on the web.
Keith
Hi Rich,First, 22' x 25' dimensions sound much too close to a square to me. You run the (very high) risk of an almost impossible to control room boom.
Having length and width dimensions so close to each other means the natural resonant frequency of one dimension will be reinforced by the perpendicular dimension. In this case, certain frequencies are going to sound much louder than others. This will create a room that will not tell the sonic truth and will very easily cause listener fatigue. Even conversation will be harder to understand in a squarish room.
If you've got 25' with a 10' height, I'd keep the third dimension closer to something like 16'. This is a BIG one; be careful with a square-ish room. (If you procede, don't say I didn't warn you.)
As to monitors, most of the powered monitors I've heard trade sonic truth for the convenience they provide. If truthfullness to the input signal (as opposed to sheer loudness) is your goal, forget "pro" speakers and listen to something like a Magneplanar (www.magnepan.com).
Hope this helps.
Happy Listening!
Barry
Hi Rich,First, 22' x 25' dimensions sound much too close to a square to me. You run the (very high) risk of an almost impossible to control room boom.
Having length and width dimensions so close to each other means the natural resonant frequency of one dimension will be reinforced by the perpendicular dimension. In this case, certain frequencies are going to sound much louder than others. This will create a room that will
tell the sonic truth and will very easily cause listener fatigue. Even conversation will be harder to understand in a squarish room. If you've got 25' with a 10' height, I'd keep the third dimension closer to something like 16'. This is a BIG one; be careful with a square-ish room. (If you procede, don't say I didn't warn you.)
As to monitors, most of the powered monitors I've heard trade sonic truth for the convenience they provide. If truthfullness to the input signal (as opposed to sheer loudness) is your goal, forget "pro" speakers and listen to something like a Magneplanar (www.magnepan.com).
Hope this helps.
Happy Listening!
Barry
There was a typo
Hi
Don't worry about typo's I read for content, not grammar . Thanks
for the warning about the room , I had already expressed it's short
fall to the administration and architect . They assured me I will be
able to work around it .
How does the saying go..."Never enough time to do it right, but
always enough time to do it over"Thanks For Your Concern
Rich
You might want to let them know in advance to budget for mucho Tube Traps (www.tubetrap.com). These are the only way I know to deal with a square room and even then, aside from the additional expense, they are not perfect.Sounds to me like they hired a professional "acoustician" to design the room. As an engineer, I've seen many, many professionally "designed" rooms, all of which work on a spreadsheet and fail miserably when you try to listen to music.
I would predict, without a radical change in plans, the output from this room will sound "thin" when played elsewhere on a good system. Within this room as planned, correct bass will be overwhelming and aspirin consumption will soar.
Good Luck and Happy Listening!
Barry
I am very familiar with adam monitors (sa3 I believe). I find them to be Amazingly acurate and translate better than anything Ive heard. I would love to upgrade my genelecs to Adams. However, there is something to be said for using something like the genelec or m&k system that seem to be found in LOTS of 5.1 rooms Ive been in. Learning to mix on industry standard equipment is good for ones career. The adams are also rather pricey. I think the SA3's are around $4k per pair.
Frost
Hi
Appreciate your input , I will pass it on to the head of the
sound dept. Any JBL's you care for or other non powered
speakers ?
Thanks
Rich
I think that the jbl lsr 28 is decent tho not amazing. I have used a much prefered dynaudio system recently to work on a mix then listened as it was mastered on a martin logan surround system.
Frost
I'm not familiar with the A.D.A.M., so I have no basis for comparison. I would recommend powered monitors from Genelec, Hafler, Mackie, or Tannoy. There are others, but these would be the ones that I would recommend.
I second the reccomendation for the Mackie monitors, or preferably the Genelecs, however they're considerably more expensive...--jeff
If you are serious about 5.1, I would definitely take a look at PMC range. An awful lot of top rooms install these for 5.1 setups. Maggies and alike are best kept for hi-fi set ups, in this situation you will want good quality industry standard equipement. Genelecs are a possibility, although not a speaker I personally like, they do have a number of fans.Regards
Roland
Absolutly agree with Roland PMC are doing a fantastic job at the moment, I havn't found a duff one from them yet. Their BB5 XBDs are the best speakers I have ever heard. Take a look at the user list on their website (www.pmcloudspeaker.com) a lot of the top studios are using them. Most of their speakers also have an active option with Bryston amps which are very good.
As for Genelecs I agree with Roland again, all the ones I have come across use the titanium tweeter which I find to be a little harsh. Don't know if they do any with a different tweeter. Can't comment on Maggies - havn't heard any.Olly
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