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In Reply to: The ASOG site needs a new home. posted by Al Sekela on October 24, 2004 at 14:22:47:
If there is a way to convert the postings file to a format that can be imported into the AA archive file format, with some manual formatting of the data, I'd be willing to help in that effort.
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Hi Rod,I agree with Rush on this matter.
There is more to ASOG than the discussion board. There are all of the articles and tweaks (pages of them), which are valuable too, and not to be lost.Instead of shutting down otlamp/ASOG and moving ONLY the discussion board here (AA), without all of the other parts of the site, it would be better if someone could just take over and keep the existing site.
Why wouldn't Ralph/Atma-Sphere take over the site, and host it on existing servers? ASOG was really just an extension of Atma-Sphere so it would make sense for it to be under the Atma-Sphere domain (now). If it's a matter of $$$, what if some of the funds from the defense fund were used. I would put $$$ towards running ASOG.
It's too bad people bad-mouthed Mark G. Losing ASOG may not be as critical as losing Atma-Sphere, but it would be a real shame. It was part of the culture of Atma-Sphere customers and I would hate to see it lost.
With respect to differing opinions, I continue to believe that moving the ASOG archives to AA OTL will be a better solution that trying to preserve ASOG as it once was. AA OTL will be a more open and inclusive forum for discussing OTL technology and our shared passion for the virtues of OTL in our audio systems. The ASOG attempted to be inclusive, but was just too strongly associated with A-S to accomplish that. And, for the good of the forum, it should not be run by a manufacturer (and Ralph agreed on this point in a separate conversation he and I had on this topic).As I've posted elsewhere in this thread, the articles can be re-published here either within a FAQ or as posts retrievable through "Search"; there is no reason to be concerned about losing them if Rod gets all the files and can take re-publish them as his time permits.
As long as those articles and tips are available along with the bbs records. But those articles are images and html. I believe that AA FAQ items are often links to other pages when it comes to html so the old ASOG stuff would still have to be posted/hosted somewhere. If it turns out they won't be stored on an AA server can you let me know and I'll make copies of them.BTW, how come otlamp is not accesable at all anymore? Last week the bbs was disabled, but the rest of it was available. That makes it pretty hard to copy what a fellow wants.
BTW, if a MUG board was for Maggies, then what was wrong with ASOG being (mostly) associated with atma-sphere (the most successful otl amp company ever). I don't get this rationale. I think ASOG should still exist. It was a fantastic forum that nurtured all kinds of ideas for tweaking and modifying atma-sphere equipement and I don't see that an OTL forum here will every amount to anything that ASOG was in that respect. I can't believe ASOG is the casulity here. Why don't you open up the ASOG bbs again and ask if the members would like to take over support?
Sure. I couldn't pull up ASOG, but I found the Martin Logan site. It looks to be HW Forums which is variant based on the WWWboard code. So, assuming that it's the same and that the messages that I looked at are consistent with the rest, which seems to be a safe bet, then yes. I would just need the message files along with the index and archive indexes.In fact, when we brought up the mySQL based search, I wrote a program to parse the messages and load the search engine. If I can find that little utility, it should be fairly easy to modify it to convert everything. I guessing it's about a day to find the code, modify it, test it and parse all the files.
However, ASOG is more than just the forum. It also has user systems and some other stuff. With the MUG site, Mart does that work and we just host the forum for him. If Brian or someone wanted to take over the primary site, then we could do the forum.
Another question would be what to do with OTL. Does ASOG become a sub-set of OTL or just a searchable archive?
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> Another question would be what to do with OTL. Does ASOG become a
> sub-set of OTL or just a searchable archive?
>If I may, Rod...I think OTL is a wonderful idea and many of us were glad to see it come into being when it did. Many folks have seamlessly migrated to OTL during the recent storm. I, and I am sure others, would hate to see it turn out only to be a temporary proposition. Therefore, I would also vote to leave OTL as is and merely draw the ASOG historical archives into the OTL archives...unless it would be possible to give them their own standalone archive? That seems the easiest way....it keeps the ASOG information alive and allows OTL to pick up where ASOG left.
The issue from a technical viewpoint is the message numbers. To merge the data, I'd have to pull in ASOG and then renumber all the OTL messages to start at something greater. Since it's small now, that's doable and not terribly hard to do.To avoid that issue, it's simpler to just suck in ASOG as a sub-group, e.g. OTL --> ASOG. We coould then either archive all of ASOG or leave it active as a sub-group of OTL like Planar is a sub-group of Speakers. The only problem with keeping it separate is searching would require searching two different forums. However, that problem will go away next year when we release the new search code and forum software that we've been doing. In the new code stream, forums are related to parents and can be related to multiple parents. Search will then support from any parent down it's children. In other words, a search of forums under Speakers would search Speakers, Hi-Eff, Planar etc.
Technical details aside, I can do it either way, separate or combined and active or archived. Whatever folks want is fine, we just need a concensus.
I would much rather see the ASOG archival post merged seemlessly into the OTL forum's archives and not run as a sub-forum. Renumbering the messages should not be an issue since everything would be available through the AA search engine. There is a wealth of information in those old ASOG archives that would apply directly to the scope of this AA OTL forum, no point in segregating it, imo.As to some of the other material on the old ASOG site, there were a few articles that could be entered as messages to the OTL forum, or included in the FAQ section. Members systems in ASOG can be replicated by those who care to do so in "Inmates Systems" here; that does not have to transfer.
The ASOG archives are a valuable source of information that hopefully will continue to be available. It would be wonderfully convenient if they could be merged with the new content.
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