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These are all bigger groups. None are brand spanking new so they might not be too difficult. Soloists are recognizable in most cases.#1 has been a favorite of mine for quite some time. Like a locomotive.
#2 a big band doing an old jazz chestnut.
#3 the same as above (#2). Big band, old tune.
#4 extended piece that I kind of like. A lot of soloing.
#5 a short bop tune by a big band. Familiar soloist.
That's it. Shouldn't be too difficult but should be fun.
bgs
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Thank you for sharing it. I've not managed to listen the tracks until a few minutes ago, in fact I'm still doing, but most of the mistery has been disclosed. It's better I hadn't made any guesses, all they'd been wrong hahahaha.First tune is so good that I must get that disc :-D
Thank you. It's a wonderful record that I know you will enjoy.
The tenor solo on Cherokee is Benny Golson, the tenor solo on #3 (I Want A Little Girl) is the great Al Cohn, the alto as previously guessed on Yardbird Suite is Phil Woods and the arranger on all 3 is Ernie Wilkens. Oh yeah, most of the trumpet solos if not all in this album is the beautiful sound of Sweets Edison. The original recording I believe was on Mercury called Richcraft 1959. I have an old reissue on Ambassador. It's funny that the reissue is about 40 years old or more. I'll list the whole band on my site.The Mingus(#4) is Three or Four Shades of Blue from an album of the same name. It is a good post-1970 album. I'll list the personel on my site because it's a lot of people.
...Mingus? The only post-1970 Mingus I've ever heard is "Me, Myself, an Eye", which is a pretty terrible record and sounds nothing like #4. The lines do sound very Mingus-like when I think about it. I have no idea who the players are, I guess Jack Walrath could be in there on trumpet. Tough ones, these last 4.
dh
Yes it's Mingus and it is Jack Walrath. Yeah, a lot of players. This is a pretty good post 1970 Mingus. He did a couple of decent things post-1970.
....Rick's Gonsalves comment made sense to me, and the band sound is more like Duke's than anyone else I can think of. Could these be unusual choices from Mercer's band?
dh
No, not Gonsalves, not Mercer's band. I'll stick them on this site and also on my Forum site because there is frustration rearing it's ugly head. You, Duane, will laugh at me because it's not someone who you would think I would "champion".I guess I am devious!
...that this might be Buddy's band, but I thought not even you could be that evil. It's him isn't it? I see that Shep guessed the arranger correctly as Ernie Wilkins (another Detroiter!). Not sure what albums these would be from, but I almost thought Buddy on drums here and there, though the vocabulary is more like Bellson.
dh
I'll put the some other info on in a separate post here and all of it on my forum site.
Just ask my wife. Har har har.....
The 3 big band tunes have some well known players and the arranger is....well, let's give it a little more time unless you all feel that time will not help.The number 4 tune is obviously in sections and there are different cats playing some of the same instruments, like for instance there are two saxophone players soloing and two different piano players. How's that for confusion but it does explain why the piano sounds somewhat different at different times. Now who would do a thing like that?
bgs
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You will recognize some of the players, maybe not the band but the players and the arranger. That's because you are a geezer in training.
I could be wrong, but most of the time it sounds like Thad Jones' charts. That makes me think Basie (along with the rhythm guitar), but the tenor player on Cherokee reminded me of Gonzalves, and Woods alto made me think Oliver Nelson. Confused.Damned if I know who that tenor player is on #3, but I wonder if Yusef was influenced by him.
#4) Sure sounds like a Mingus line, but I've never heard it. I think he did some stuff with a guitar towards the end, but really don't know who this is.
You got a little closer but I will close the door on these because as I posted to dh, I feel the frustration. I'll post them here and on the forum site and also leave them on for awhile so you can hear were you all went wrong. Forgive me....please.I feel like a dirty old man.....and it feels Good!!
bgs
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1. Sounds like a Mingus group. That's Dolphy on alto, and later on bass clarinet. Probably Jimmy Knepper on the first bone solo. Not sure about the second bone. Johnny Coles on the first trumpet solo? Don't know about the second trumpet. Booker Ervin on tenor. Is that MacPherson on the second alto? Probably Dannie Richmond and Jaki Byard rounding out the rhythm section. Nice one. What album is this from?2. At first I thought this might be a Kenton band, but that tenor is just too wild....kinda sounds like Roland Kirk. Got me.
3. Got me again.
4. This is a strange one. Got me a third time.
5. Hmmm....is that Louis Bellson on drums? Maybe Phil Woods on alto?
Thanks as always.
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A Mingus group it is. Charles McPherson, Eric Dolphy, Ted Curson, Lonnie Hillyer, Knepper and Britt Woodman, Nico Bunick (piano), yes for drummer and Booker Ervin. From the album titled Mingus on Candid. This tune is MDM and you can look at kava'a post for the meaning of the title.I'll take care of the rest of the tunes after I pick up a Rx at the drug store.
Oh yeah, that is Phil woods on alto on #5. Not Bellson, though. Hint, it's the same band on #'s 2, 3, and 5. You will most likely keel over when I tell you who's band it was. It's the same arranger on those 3 tunes also. I only used 2 different band leaders for all 5 tunes. That should give you some direction.
bgs
those threee bear a striking resemblance to some of Quincy Jones' early offerings
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
Nope. Not "Q".
Wow. Given the unusual prominence of the guitar on some of those big band tracks, I'm wondering if the guitarist is the leader. Drawing a complete blank here. Doesn't sound like any bands I'm really familiar with.
dh
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Love the first track: the altoist reminds me strongly of Eric Dolphy though I've never heard him play this tune.
Just heard past the 10 min point on the first track and heard the bass clarinet solo. I'll eat my hat if that's not Dolphy :) (and on the first alto solo as well). Is this one of the Mingus things ?
You don't have to eat your hat.
yeah, track 1 has gotta be Mingus. But there are two different alto players. Not sure who the first alto soloist is, but Dolphy is the 2nd, and of course later on bass clar. Sounds like maybe Britt Woodman and Knepper (3rd bone?). Booker Ervin. Maybe Richard Williams on trumpet?
I thought 3:30 to 6:00 was the same solo... and that 9:30 to 11:00 was an alto :) On a second listening I realize I was obviously wrong.
Yeah it's Mingus and there are 2 alto players and you hit the 2 trombones and the tenor but Richard Williams is not on this. I've always loved this thing. Got great spirit and the rhythm section is relentless.
Charlie McPherson; Ted Curson and Lonnie Hillyer on Trumpets; Nico Bunic, Piano and Danny Richmond, Drums. Tune is "MDM for "Monk, Duke and Me". Great piece!
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
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I have Woods with is BG and it sure don't sound like him.
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
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