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In Reply to: Good Classical Music posted by qazaq on April 21, 2007 at 20:44:45:
Some great recommendations from Neil.Some obvious next steps:
More Barber: Violin Concerto and Essay No. 1 for Orchstra.
Mussorgsky: Pictures at an Exhibition
Beethoven: Symphonies Nos. 5 & 7Some other works, mixing it up a bit:
Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 5
Elgar: Enigma Variations
Falla: El amor brujo
Ravel: Concerto in D for Left Hand
Rimsky-Korsakov: Scheherezade
Bartok: Piano Concerto No. 3
Gorecki: Symphony No. 3
Prokofiev: Violin Concerto No. 2; Romeo & Juliet
Janacek: Sinfonietta
Villa Lobos: Bachianas Brasilieras No. 5
Revueltas: SensamayaFor chamber music, I think the combination of piano, violin and cello is one of the easiest to get into:
Tchaikovsky: Piano Trio
Beethoven: "Archduke" Trio
Schubert: Piano Trio No. 2
Shostakovich: Piano Trio No. 2
Follow Ups:
...but for pure emotion Gorecki's Symphony No. 3 "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs" is THE one. Gorecki's tribute to those imprisoned in the German concentration camps. Get the one with Dawn Upshaw.It may not be the greatest work ever written, and perhaps it just caught me at the right time, but I've never been moved more by a piece of music.
Neil
I have Gorecki's Symphony No 3 (with Upshaw). I have listened to it a number of times but don't find myself moved by it at all. Maybe I would if I spoke Polish, dunno. However I will persevere. Admittedly I might take a good many listenings over a period of years to get into something: I'm finally starting to see the point of Beethoven's late string quartets.
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enthusiastic about it. GOOD FOR YOU! Passion -- true passion instead of some over-intellectualized pseudo-superiority rant -- is very refreshing. For me, the one recording that pulls me apart EVERY time I hear it is the Durufle Requiem conducted by Matthew Best on Hyperion. Both of the vocal soloists, Ann Murray and Thomas Allen, are tear-my-heart out gorgeous...deep and powerful and painfully lamenting (just like Upshaw in G.3). Consider this a recommendation based on your enthusiasm!
Talk about the Poodle calling the Hairdressgay gay, LOL: who was it comparing Bruckner and Rothko the other day? : )
I'm sure I could over-intellectualize Gorecki also! Of course, the OP actually DIDN'T do that. To the point of some other recent threads about "drawing in new listeners to Classical music", it's important that that type of "pure, raw experience" can still happen, even among the experienced listeners. As much as I like to learn and be taught by others, there comes (sometimes) a point of over-analyzing and burnout to the technical stuff. But, as in my little Bruckner analogy, there is also much that is NOT experienced when taking a straight-ahead look at something that can be viewed in multiple ways. Ah, but when the two perspectives come together....
I just got this song: and it was very goodI think that if music doesn't move you in some way, then it really has no purpose...at least that is the way I listen to music, rather than to just fill the ears with a jumble of pitches and rhythms...
"I think that if music doesn't move you in some way, then it really has no purpose..."The tricky part is: often throughout my listening years I've been abslolutely *not* moved by a piece, then years late it suddenly clicked. This has happened Stravinsky's Rite, for instance.
Another interesting issue is simplicity. Is a piece greater for its complexity and lesser for its simplicity? Mozart often outlines a major 5th to great effect, (such as the 2nd mov't of the 21st Piano Concerto or the opening of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik), then we have Bruckner, some call him elemental, I'm not sure if he pulls it off, but I'll keep trying. Ives' purposeful cacaphony still sets my teeth on edge, even on Lp, lol. I'm beginning to enjoy Beethoven sublimely for the first time, thanks to exploring older recordings of Walter and Furtwangler, but, alas, Haydn--after 20 years--doesn't do much for me on a deep level, and neither does Mozart, yet they are considered towering geniuses.
Sure a piece can be complex or simple...as long as it fulfills its purpose.Like for instance: Barber's Adagio for Strings is just one set of notes in the exact same pattern over and over again...but I consider it to be an extremely emotional piece.
However, I liked Beethoven's Ninth Symphony and Mozart's Requiem: Lacrimosa very well also...although to a lesser extent.
I know what you mean about not getting the emotion out of a bit of music from the first time listening to it. Oftentimes I buy a CD for one specific part or song...and end up getting tired of that one song and loving several others, after many listen-throughs.
although there are exceptions, such as Mahler's huge Das Lied (the song) von der Erde (of the Earth) or German lieder (songs) for voice and piano by such composers as Schubert, Schumann or Wolf.
Hehe, I knew it didn't sound right...
Remember you are talking to the guy who you might find listening to classical or jazz music as much as modern rock.Most of the classical music that I have listened to up until now has been in a singular 5-10 minute clip - not a half-hour to hour long symphony.
but for digital, I never investigated. These are so-called highlights and can feature various classical periods (baroque, rococo, classical, Romantic, etc.) and I am certain these highlights or even like my LP's (called theme finders) are out there. Wedding music cd's are often just that, mere compilations of classical tunes. Often get these for under $5 total on amazon used vendors. Check site below.
I have a couple of wedding cd's...that's where I got the Pachelbel Canon (Kanon?) and a few others...Trumpet Voluntary (I play the trumpet myself, is why this stood out)I just listened to two versions of Gorecki Symphony No. 3 "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs" It is almost an hour long...but I drank in every minute of it...Now I have to debate on which version to get (It was a friend's music)-Dawn Upshaw singing soprano, London Sinfonietta with David Zinman conducting, or the Szymanowski Philharmonic Orchestra version, Cracow (I think Cracow would be the conductor, but I am not sure)
Either way that was definitely a good suggestion/find.
Makes it even better knowing it was written in memory of the Holocaust...
The Cracow Philharmonic is named for Karol Szymanowski ("Karol Szymanowski State Philharmonic Orchestra"). Cracow is the city in Poland, from whence the orchestra originates in the 2nd recording (linked).The Upshaw recording is oft mentioned. She was found to have cancer, if I am not mistaken.
If you play the trumpet, what genre? Jazz, pop and/or classical? There is plenty of wonderful trumpet stuff for classical.
I play...well whatever comes around. But mostly Jazz and Classical...I also play in a Community Band, which plays a lot of Patriotic music...combined with big band scores...an odd arrangement, but it works.But I tend to like to play Jazz more than most things...classical trumpet is a bit...dry. The improvisation and odd rhythms and bluesy, soulful just get to me. Jazz can be both fun and sad...its hard to explain.
Jazz I guess is more...raw. Less refined. Simpler, yet gets its point across through lyrics that play on your humor, as well as tell a story.
Like I said, it's hard to explain.
"Cracow is the city in Poland"
That explains a lot. I always thought it was a sound birds make.
Didn't mean to double post, but just to clarify:I have never been able to play in an orchestral or symphony arrangement...so I have never been able to REALLY play classical trumpet with a decent...what I meant by classical trumpet I guess was the baroque stuff I generally play...in small ensembles and the like.
I imagine I would like the exciting way trumpets can be utilized in some pieces...but I still like jazz more.
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