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I have listened to most of the readily available performances of Dvorak's New World Symphony on SACD, and these are my observations. I am not proclaiming this to be the ultimate evaluation, and I welcome your friendly comments.Auditioned: Fischer on Philips, Jarvi on Telarc, Kreizberg on Pentatone, Reiner on LS, and Szell on Sony. I believe there is only one other version readily available in the US.
I have only a stereo, albeit one that kicks butt, so multi-channel aspects are not considered.
The Reiner on Living Stereo is my favorite, regarding the combination of performance, recording, and couplings. Nicely, it is also the least expensive. In spirit and tempo, this performance comes closest to my all-time favorite, Bruno Walter on CBS. The playing of the Chicago Symphony is almost perfect. By comparison, the Budapest Festival group sounds second rate at best. The other orchestras involved are all superior to BFO, but the Chicago simply cannot be bested.
Reiner is not in any hurry for a change, although he moves things along at a steady clip. Parvi takes some parts much too slowly, losing impetus and tension. Reiner brings out the dancing rhythms and the tender moments to perfection. He builds tension in every movement, then releases it in a rousing but controlled finale. Kreizberg jerks tempos around like he's trying to improve the original score, and he cannot maintain a somewhat slow Largo. Then he speeds up the fast parts until it seems he and the orchestra are losing control of the music. Jarvi's Largo is ridculously slow, and he completely loses the beauty of Dvorak's interpretation of the original theme. This isn't funeral music--it's the world "going home", going to sleep like a baby in its mother's arms. That's exactly the feeling I get from Reiner; he captures all the tenderness, the yearning for and final attainment of total, perhaps timeless, peace and contentment. His Scherzo is just as well judged, and the finale is a dancing, powerful triumph. His tempos infuse this music with plenty of folkish flavor, and the dynamics are explosive.
I can hear many of you asking, "What about Szell?" I know his interpretation is a favorite, and I really tried to like it. The sound, however, was a real impediment to my enjoyment. If sonics aren't that important, you might enjoy his more than Reiner's version. I couldn't tolerate the thin string sound and generally grainy recording. I do not have an overly analytical system, but it doesn't sugar coat stuff like this, either. I think Szell's Slavonic Dances are so superb that they overcome the poor sound, but, in terms of SACD sonics, this is very low on the scale.
The Living Stereo is also a vintage recording, but of much higher quality than what Columbia managed to capture. Although the upper registers of strings sometimes become a bit shrill, we get a realistic orchestral image and some excellent woodwind and brass timbre. It is not nearly as luxurious or spacious as the modern recordings. Both Telarc and Pentatone provide their typical superb sonics, with a perfect balance between instrumental detail and total orchestral image and impact. The Philips recording is not as good, with some excess reverberation and tubby bass. A lot of people raved about the Philips when it was released, but, in perspective, it is not all that special other than that it showed the potential of SACD. If you want the best sonics, Telarc is your choice, closely followed by Pentatone.
The couplings chosen for the LS disc are the same as what was offered on the CD, and they are a perfect fit. The Carnival is an irresistible swirling storm of Slavonic rhythms, played to perfection by the CSO. Smetana's Bartered Bride is equally spirited fun, and where else can you even find the jolly yet ultimately majestic Weinberger's Polka and Fugue? Szell's 9th comes with an equally bad-sounding 8th, and both of these are many people's first choice. I have another favorite 8th by Dorati on Mercury (alas, not an SACD), so this coupling is actually a drawback for me. The Kreizberg includes a decent version of Romeo and Juliet. Parvi's is paired with a Martinu symphony, which is an interesting piece but doesn't fit here.
When all these factors are put together, I believe the Reiner on Living Stereo is the best choice.
Peace,
Tom E
For an authentically Czech performance on SACD there is the Vaclav Neumann Czech Philharmonic Orchestra recording on Exton available from Japan. The disc also includes the Symphonic Variations. The performance is outstanding with idiomatic Czech woodwind sound, superb string playing, tempi that always seem right, and rhythms correctly articulated in the Scherzo. The recording dates from 1995 and was done by Japanese engineers. The sound is not state-of-the-art, but allows the beauty and precision of the playing to come through. And the Czechs are not outplayed by the Chicagoans.I have the old Bruno Walter recording on a 2-track tape. The sound is remarkably good. The players were a pickup orchestra (Columbia Symphony Orchestra) in Los Angeles, I believe. The performance is too laid-back for me, with transitions between the disparate sections of movements not handled as naturally as by Newmann, and the rhythms come off awkwardly in the scherzo. The conducting has the warmth that Walter was famous for.
I don't have the Fischer, but have been tempted to buy it. The Hungarians seem to know how to conduct Czech music, with Reiner and Szell being examples.
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I've been curious to hear feedback on those Neumann/CzPO SACDs from Exton which abound over there, so thanks for this bit of info. Haven't been able to find any comments on any of them, anywhere (the newer proprietary Japanese recordings, not their reissues of the Supraphon 4-channel tapes from the mid-'70s). For whatever reason they really loved recording them A LOT in Japan, and much of the repertory is potentially interesting from this combo. I have a test sample on the way and what you hear is what I expect to get.
Exton also has an SACD of Neumann conducting Dvorak Symphony No. 7 and No. 8. The performances were recorded in Japan with the Czech Philharmonic on tour in 1991, each symphony in a different hall. I prefer the sound here to the 9th Symphony, which was recorded in Prague and suffers a bit from the excess reverberation in the Rudolfinum venue. I bought this SACD first to test the waters. I liked it so much I ordered the 9th and the SACD of the Slavonic Dances.The Slavonic Dances were recorded in Prague in 1993 with sound similar to the 9th. Listen to the last two dances. No. 15 is very fast. The orchestra races through it, and Neumann even makes a slight accelerando in the finale bars when this seems impossible. No. 16 is played slowly with all the warmth and flexibility I always hope for. The strings are wonderful, especially the cellos and basses. I think it was Mozart who said that the Czechs are the fiddlers of Europe. They prove it in these recordings.
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Encouraged to hear that, since what I have coming in is exactly the Dvorak 7/8. I don't know Neumann's recordings too well, really, but traditionally the orchestra is one of the great ones in Europe, and they have that very intriguing sound of their own that I feel semi-instantly charmed by in some funny way but don't really know what to think of (kind of just like with Dvorak himself). Good fiddlin' for sure!Thanks.
You are right about the intriguing sound and the CPO being one of the great orchestras of Europe. But orchestras and conductors have their ups and downs. I have some of the Supraphon LPs of Neumann's 1970s recordings of the Dvorak symphonies. I found them disappointing and never bought more. But these 1990s recordings seem to have caught the conductor and orchestra at their best.I relistened to the 7th and 8th last night after posting. You made a good choice. The sound of the orchestra is special. The woodwinds often sound like bird calls, and the whooping horns like hunting calls. I think this is what Dvorak intended. He was, after all, a Bohemian peasant. His music is redolent of the Czech village and countryside.
But perhaps I am biased. My grandfather came to the US from Bohemia and brought his violin. My nephew is now playing the same violin. As you say, good fiddlin'! I hope you enjoy the performances as much as I do.
(Apparently) he did indeed have those ups and downs, unlike some of his fellow countrymen who became even more famed with the same orchestra (like Talich and of course Ancerl), and that's partly why I hesitated a bit with these JPN issues. But, gratefully enough, some do indeed find glory in their later days (think only of people like Klemperer or Walter), and maybe Neumann was one of them.So while I don't have your enviable pedigree (it's not biasing you, just making you have it in your blood), I'm very much looking forward to finally being able to hear this performance, much intrigued by what you are saying. At this point in life I really want to focus on what's worthwhile only.
Of all the others in this repertoire, I've enjoyed Abbado, whom everyone else hates (very different approach to Dvorak), and Dorati - one of those great Hungarians (for me maybe the greatest one among them, at least the most clear-headed and sensitive) referred to below.
I believe the RCO Live sacd is pretty available in US. No couplings, just the New World, excellent sound. I've not directly compared it to Reiner and Fischer, though I have both, and also have the 1955 Kubelik released from Univeral Japan.
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This post got me to listen to all four New World's in the past few days. All four are pretty good, but things fall this way for me:
1. Jansons/RCO - best sound by far, and nice read
2. Reiner - one of the best Living Stereo discs
3. Fischer - okay
4. Kubelik - nice read, good 1955 sound
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I'm pretty tired of the New World for now, so I'll pass on it until the bug bites me again. Thanks for your recommendation. I haven't purchased any of the RCO live discs because of their spotty reviews.
the Szell is a great musical performance and a historical document, aside from your cavils about the recorded sound. Your impressions of the recorded sound especially regarding the Slavonic Dances is much more critical than others I have read. I own almost all that material on LP.I have been trying to acquire different formats of that performance. I think that the best thus far is the Great Performances CBS version on LP. I got a pretty good copy of the original stereo Gold Epic and the sound was really pinched (disappointment, in light of good copies of other works).
A German/Austrian version on rbcd was really weird sounding, with highs and so forth as if a blanket covered my tweeters in parts of the piece. Far worse than a Type I LN cassette copy I made of the CBS LP reissue!
Thanks for the observations. I own the Reiner SACD/CD hybrid.
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That shouldn't take long.Anyway, I agree with your comments on the Jarvi. While the recording is top-notch, I found the tempi in the first two movements much to tedious. Alternatively, the Szell is borderline unlistenable to me despite the performance.
The charms of the Fisher recording are much more apparent in multichannel, and I felt the playing was excellent and the interpretation appropriately idiomatic. That one is still my favorite Dvorak 9th on SACD, a nice balance between best performance and best sonics.
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I don't know about "readily available" anymore, but Leonard Bernstein's 1962 reading was an early Sony Classical stereo release (SS 6393).
I'll be sure to pick it up at my first opportunity. I do have both the Fischer and Jarvi which I enjoy very much but I have not listened to either lately nor commited to memory. It will interesting to try the LS SACD without going back to the others first to see what my initial reaction is.Listening in multichannel however may change one'd s preference for sound quality. I don't have the same amp for 2 channel and MCH so I'll have to defer to others regarding that.
I'm not proficient enough in classical music to ultimately judge the performance and quality of the playing so I enjoy reading one's viewpoint on that. I have no complaints though that I bought either of the ones I mentioned however. I can appreciate one's preference but I'm not afraid to try something because I don't feel orchestras and conductors are slouches so to speak on any of these recordings! :)
There is a recording available on DVD-A for the New World that has me curious. My player for that is not in the same league though as SACD and the discussion for that particular recording is better left for elsewhere! :)
Thanks again!