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In Reply to: why do posted by jim@signalpath on April 26, 2007 at 06:42:46:
practice unfair trade to agreater degreee then other countries. I do not know enough real facts to have an informed opinion on the subject.
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Those employed in areas easily counterfeited or outsourced can be sensitive to the original poster's question.Please take a look at this article and ask yourself if you want "Made in China" on your stuff.
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in the history of the industrialized world. there are only a million examples....google them.
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opinion should be based on facts that are verified.
"opinion should be based on facts that are verified."
Verifed by who?I never take anything as absolute 'fact', but do of course have a sliding scale of probability depending on the source of information.
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Chris redmond.
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see craiger's post above...500b in counterfeit namebrands
we've been manufacturing in China for over two years, and I can certainly understand many of the opinions expressed here on AA. I just returned from my 5th trip to China in two years and it seems like I learn something new each time I visit. One thing you have to keep in mind: Many of the US and European lines that have strong identities as Western manufacturers have parts, components, and finished goods built for them in China. Don't ask, because I won't tell, but you might be shocked. I've seen it first hand.
Another thing to keep in mind is the fact that many of the Chinese HiFi manufacturing facilities have foreign investment and on-site management. Profits make their way back to Europe, the US, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. It's very common.1) Two years ago you could go to the electronics market area of Guangzhou and see lots of B&W, Sonus Faber, and Wilson copies. Now you almost see none and the Chinese Govt. runs ads on TV that discourage copies. They are finally starting to get it.
2) I've visited over 20 factories and have yet to see terrible conditions or rampant child labor. I'm sure they exist, but my supplier won't do business with them. If caught, the Chinese Govt. will shut them down.
3) The Chinese Govt mandates dormitories, food,and healthcare for the workers at the factories where we do business. The pay is low, but for most this is a much better situation than the poverty associated with subsistence farming in the countryside. Sad...but true.
4)There is a perception that Chinese speaker and electronics factories are like one big homogenous group of HiFi suppliers. Nothing could be farther from the truth. You have to seek out the better suppliers, manage your production by remote control, and stick with the guys who understand quality control first....price second. Unfortunately this takes intelligence + hard work ;> )
Our company doesn't "re-badge" Chinese products with our own name brand, but I'm curious.....what do you guys think about that practice?
> > the electronics market area of Guangzhou < <Are you referring to the Haiyin Electronic Market? What a wonderfully interesting place to visit. I took a bunch of photos when I was there a year ago; I should post them on AA.
Rob...yep, that's it. Amazing, isn't it? Did you see the acoustic room treatments and the prices??? Incredible.
I missed the room treatments, how much were they? Haiyin is a huge place so I probably missed quite a bit even though I spent an hour and a half wandering around the marketplace and the neighboring streets.
Rob, you can buy 2'W X 4' tall rpg-like panels for as little as $120 each. In walnut! If you buy 10 or more you can expect a sizable discount over that.but then how do you get them back ;> )?
ps...rebadging is fine as long as there is disclosure with consumers
good for the foreign investors, and good for china. everything in china is fine, and copies of spiderman for everyone.
jdouglas51..yeah....your end of the business has taken a huge hit. Is it worse than the illegal download phenomenon here in the US? I really don't know..
most of the downloads are tracked and paid for, but more pirated copies are made in factories and sold on the streets of china and in shops then all the legimate copies combined worldwide. imagine over 500 titles per week in dvd's alone. taiwan and other asian countries play by the rules. even the piracy in latin america is peanuts next to china. we can't expect the notion of licensing and property rights to take hold without showing that there is a price to pay for breaking international laws. everyone i know who deals in products from china believes that their suppliers are the exception. even products that are legitimately made in china are pirated at the same time. the music industry is a 12 billion dollar industry...it is estimated that loses each year from china are in the billions as well.
"the music industry is a 12 billion dollar industry...it is estimated that loses each year from china are in the billions as well."You sound that lots of Chinese there listen to American music. I was there last summumer, could not find a single one there was listening american music. I was able to buy some CDc at a book store, and picked up couple CDs (GSDA 215 ISRC CD-F28-97-415-00/A.J6)(America classic pop music) by SkyMusic (HK). They are dirty cheap, about $2 each. By the way the book store is very large and inside of a huge shopping plaza in Shanghai.
the Chinese attitude toward copies has a "selective" mode. If someone gets caught knocking off Nike shoes using the swoosh and the exact logo they're in deep doo-doo. Same for iPods, certain clothing lines and even most HiFi hardware. For some reason they seem to turn their heads with CDs and DVDs. With people like Jack Valenti and other entertainment industry heavyweights so influential in Washington you'd think it would be different. This is your territory, though, and I'm sure there's a lot more to the story that I'm not aware of.
"the Chinese attitude toward copies has a "selective" mode. ....certain clothing lines and even most HiFi hardware.."beware of using the term of "copy/copies" in this context.
only copying of patented or trademark protecked materials is illegal.
beware???yes, I am aware of the ins and outs of intellectual property, trademarks, and copyrights.. Unauthorized use of the Rolex logo, the Armani logo, the Nike logo, and the Apple logo on products that look exactly like the originals is an infringement.
"..and even most HiFi hardware."Please privde with Chinese amps brand(s) and models that vilated intellectual property, trademarks, and copyrights..
Just one if you know any(?) Your statement is pretty strong, though.
heck...china pirates products that are made in china too. the motivation for audio companies to have their products built there (and then badged with a name that implies a thread to something that no longer exsists) is a very narrow and greedy view of the world. short term benefits and long term disaster.
All I can tell that you like others with full hate, possible carry own agenda on this type of threads.Anything if not under paten, intellectual, trademark, or copyright
protection is OPEN, you do not own it,no matter how do you think off.
We live on 99.99999999...% copied world. Look around you, everything
from your bedroom to your kitchen, to your school.When China made first A-bomb in early 60's and lunched 1st satellite
later 60s, do you call them pirate?Do you accuse Apple Mac OS/mouse pirated Xerox?
Do you accuse Microsoft window OS pirated Mac?
Do you accuse Sony pirate when they started to make TV, and VCR?
Do you accuse these SUV makers pirate Jeep?
Do you accuse these MinVan makers pirate Carvan?I guess you will if they are made by Chinese.
only one i'm aware of...jeep. sony and hundreds of other tv manufacturers had to pay to use certain patented parts. they didn't steal anything.
what f$%king are you suggesting here? Chinese audio factories steals? there are well over 30 Chinese brands here in USA, give a single sample that supports your claim?
heck...china pirates products that are made in china too. the motivation for audio companies to have their products built there (and then badged with a name that implies a thread to something that no loger exsists) is a very narrow and greedy view of the world. short term benefits and long term disaster.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Where did I accuse a Chinese amp manufacturer of violating intellectual, trademark, or copyright infringement? Go back and read my long post from 4/26....I only mentioned seeing copies of Wilson, Sonus Faber, and B&W products. I have no idea who built them, but I saw them with my own two eyes in the Guangzhou electronics market. And as I said....they've disappeared as far as I know. I've been back 4 times since and it seems to have been cleaned up.What I *did* mention was that copies of certain electronics lines would meet with penalties.
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