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In Reply to: Re: That makes it one of the highest ranking CD/DVD combos i've ever seen in the charts . . . posted by HighEndWire on December 4, 2006 at 12:12:04:
Here's a quote from:-http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=752807&page=2&pp=30
>> Originally Posted by gigaguy
The release of this DVD-A is prompting me to research buying a high-res audio stereo setup, plus I was wanting a video surround system anyway for my new HDTV.Does the high-res receiver amp have to have DVD-A circuitry necessarily, if a DVD player has the DVD-A feature in it. I know you need the 6 analog connection.
There are two ways of hooking it up.If you use analogue 5.1 connections, then all normal receivers will just be a pretty dumb pass through - they will apply nothing more than level calibration and the master volume control. All the calibration (speaker availability/size/distance/level) and resultant processing (bass management, delays, downmixing) has to be set up in the player. So you don't need any special facilities in the receiver at all; it just acts like a simple 6-channel amp. Actually, there is one thing - you will need to make sure the receiver will easily apply a +10dB or +15dB boost (depending on player setup) to the subwoofer input; some receivers don't have this.
If you want to use a digital hook-up, then HDMI 1.1, i.Link (=IEEE 1394/Firewire) or Denon Link will do the job. Digital has the advantage that the receiver should be able to provide extra processing (room equalisation, better bass management, Pro Logic IIx etc). And it's tidier. But again there may be problems with LFE level with some receivers.
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A possible future car I may buy has DVD-audio too (Acura RL). May just get the DVD-A Disc and go for an extended test drive! Will it play in this car?, still blurry on DVD-A and DVD video audio. I take it the 'Love' disc is not a standard DVD-A disc.
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Yes, it will play. Love is a standard DVD-Audio disc. Like almost all DVD-Audio discs, it also contains a DVD-Video layer for backwards compatibility; this is totally separate content, although it looks superficially similar. The car's player will be DVD-Audio only, so will ignore the DVD-Video layer. You also won't see any of the video displays from the DVD-Audio layer - you'll just use normal track navigation buttons.
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[END OF AVSFORUM EXTRACT]HighEndWire, in short, many prospective hirez newbies ARE asking lots of DVD-A setup questions, and eventually getting the hang of DVDA one way or another.
And regarding your comment: "Not that I don't think that it's great a hi-rez title is doing well but what % of that quarter of reviews probably does not really understand what DVD-A is and think that the 5.1 DD or DTS sound is the same? "
Well, what more evidence do we need than the recent DSOTM Alan Parsons mix DVDA with over 3gigs of MLP? Why were there several hundred thousand downloads, using those awkward Torrent portals, and for which in some cases folks were prepared to wait several days to save on their hard-drives? -- Folks who could have instead chosen to download one of the previously available DTS-compressed bootlegs in much less time and hassle. That speaks for itself. In fact, I'm sure this was not lost on Floyd's record label -- EMI -- when deciding to publish "Love" on hirez DVDA.
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- Re: I've seen lots of posts like this around the net . . . - jdaniel 13:06:13 12/04/06 (16)
In Reply to: I've seen lots of posts like this around the net . . . posted by Martin419 on December 4, 2006 at 12:32:49:
"Well, what more evidence do we need than the recent DSOTM Alan Parsons mix DVDA with over 3gigs of MLP? Why were there several hundred thousand downloads, using those awkward Torrent portals, and for which in some cases folks were prepared to wait several days to save on their hard-drives? -- Folks who could have instead chosen to download one of the previously available DTS-compressed bootlegs in much less time and hassle. That speaks for itself. In fact, I'm sure this was not lost on Floyd's record label -- EMI -- when deciding to publish "Love" on hirez"Well Martin, in all seriousness, it does speak for itself. Several hundred downloads, (with an emphasis on the "downloads") should have EMI shaking in their boots with regard to packaged media.
The other posts still suggest that there is confusion and education needed, 6 years after the fact.
Again, in all seriousness: What I'm looking for is the moment of "critical mass," a point at which a vast majority of newly-recorded packaged media is hi-rez of some sort, and the vast majority of hi-rez historical remasterings are made directly from analog master tapes. (Of course, during the early digital era, this is impossible.) Otherwise, why buy? Remember '89? At this point vinyl sections had shrunk to maybe 1/4-1/5 of the store, yielding to the CD.
- Re: I've seen lots of posts like this around the net . . . - Martin419 13:30:51 12/04/06 (15)
In Reply to: Re: I've seen lots of posts like this around the net . . . posted by jdaniel on December 4, 2006 at 13:06:13:
> > Several hundred downloads, (with an emphasis on the "downloads") should have EMI shaking in their boots with regard to packaged media.
< <Actually, John, the only thing EMI is "shaking" right now is the champagne.
And please note:-
1. I said "Several hundred THOUSAND downloads";
2. DSOTM DVD-A, is a direct digital port from the master tapes, and was NOT copy-protected;
3. "Beatles Love" IS copy protected. i.e. If anyone gets hold of the raw data from the DVD and tries to copy/burn it, the result WON'T play on any DVD-A player. i.e. The codes would not match and the player would just lock-up after a couple of seconds.So, again, John, you display your ignorance.
> > What I'm looking for is the moment of "critical mass < <
John, don't flatter yourself: Nobody really cares what you think. Certainly not the record companies.
- "Nobody really cares what you think." - robert young 16:51:05 12/04/06 (14)
In Reply to: Re: I've seen lots of posts like this around the net . . . posted by Martin419 on December 4, 2006 at 13:30:51:
Martin,If You didn't care, you wouldn't respond to his posts. Your defensive posture on nearly every post of this thread makes you sound like ZS KEKL with better command of the language, but with just as foolish an obsession with a single format as him (her?).
This forum has been completely highjacked by this "Love" release.
- Robert, my posts are about DVD-A. Most of yours seem to be about KEKL ;-) n.t. - Martin419 03:22:04 12/05/06 (11)
In Reply to: "Nobody really cares what you think." posted by robert young on December 4, 2006 at 16:51:05:
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- I think you may actually be KEKL... - robert young 04:28:38 12/05/06 (10)
In Reply to: Robert, my posts are about DVD-A. Most of yours seem to be about KEKL ;-) n.t. posted by Martin419 on December 5, 2006 at 03:22:04:
The two(?) of you seem intent on arguing about formats in a general sense when I would guess a vast majority of both posters and lurkers on the Forum are uninterested. For that group, in which I place myself, what is more valiable is the discussion of: what's already available and good, or ok, or should be skipped; what's comming out (something KEKL almost does well); hardware issues.You have to admit that KEKL's loony rants represent about 33% of the activity on this board (hence the numbers of posts TO him or ABOUT him) and you represent another 10%. Nearly all of those (on this "page" at least) are about the "Love" recording.
- Well you are mistaken . . . - Martin419 04:43:33 12/05/06 (9)
In Reply to: I think you may actually be KEKL... posted by robert young on December 5, 2006 at 04:28:38:
and I pose that you are more concerned about personalities than DVDA titles, technical issues or market trends. I have merely been separating fact from fiction.
- That's a good one, Martin. - robert young 06:36:38 12/05/06 (8)
In Reply to: Well you are mistaken . . . posted by Martin419 on December 5, 2006 at 04:43:33:
If I was interested in personalities, I'd be a long way from the likes of you and Mssr. KEKL. My system(s) are listed, and from that list one can deduce "format preferences," if indeed I have one (here's some help for you: one of my digital sources plays SACD, and two of my digital sources play DVD-A).In your efforts to "separate fact from fiction," you have missed the forest for a lone tree (as we're writing in cliche). You don't have to hard-sell a format to those who have already bought in...
You may have the last word, Martin: there's not much of interest here for me.
- This is not some tit-for-tat Mr Young . . . - Martin419 07:37:38 12/05/06 (7)
In Reply to: That's a good one, Martin. posted by robert young on December 5, 2006 at 06:36:38:
I'm not some lurking troll, and please don't associate me with KEKL or anyone else. As for my system, I'm not hiding anything, and I'm not ashamed of any equipment I own. If you'd asked me what it was I'd have told you. Anyway, if you had done a simple search, you'd have found it described here on this forum's archive.And yes, it plays SACD, DVDA, and everything else! OK, I'll make it easy for you. You can view some pics of it at top of p13 on Club Rotel. You can see I have quite a lot of hirez music (photo taken 2 years ago, and now I've got about 60 more DVDAs & SACDs). Unlike some vociferous posters here who have none whatsoever. ;-)
- One more thing... - robert young 08:44:55 12/05/06 (0)
In Reply to: This is not some tit-for-tat Mr Young . . . posted by Martin419 on December 5, 2006 at 07:37:38:
nice car!!
- So much for thwe concept of the "last word..." - robert young 08:42:42 12/05/06 (0)
In Reply to: This is not some tit-for-tat Mr Young . . . posted by Martin419 on December 5, 2006 at 07:37:38:
I'll break my own rule because you have missed the mark here by quite a bit. I really think you misunderstood my post: "tit-for-tat" wasn't even on the radar. It was you, if you'll recall, who questioned whether I was interested in hi-rez. If YOU had bothered to do the same type of search (actually, easier) that you accused me of being unable to do for you, you too would have found information that contradicts your earlier assessment.I am certainly willing to concede that you are a more serious forum participant than Mssr. KEKL could ever be, but that doesn't excuse you from over-the-top preaching to the already-converted. I certainly didn't accuse you of trolling, nor did I imply that you should be embarrassed by whatever equipment you may own. You are projecting if you think I did.
- "please don't associate me with KEKL" ... no $hit! LOL nt - Quadzilla 07:43:47 12/05/06 (4)
In Reply to: This is not some tit-for-tat Mr Young . . . posted by Martin419 on December 5, 2006 at 07:37:38:
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- Quadzilla, KEKL owns you. You fall for his bait every time. LOL. nt. - Martin419 07:55:05 12/05/06 (3)
In Reply to: "please don't associate me with KEKL" ... no $hit! LOL nt posted by Quadzilla on December 5, 2006 at 07:43:47:
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- Nah, I just like to see how low he can stoop ... - Quadzilla 08:18:15 12/05/06 (2)
In Reply to: Quadzilla, KEKL owns you. You fall for his bait every time. LOL. nt. posted by Martin419 on December 5, 2006 at 07:55:05:
... and he never fails to meet or exceed my expectations. He really is quite funny ... and he is a fellow Canadian ... although I guess that doesn't say much for the level of intellect in our country.
- Canadian? He'll hat e this! - jdaniel 09:55:24 12/05/06 (1)
In Reply to: Nah, I just like to see how low he can stoop ... posted by Quadzilla on December 5, 2006 at 08:18:15:
A Canadian psychologist has discoved something very unsettling about Canadian teens....
- Oh crap! Another format war brewing? - Quadzilla 10:05:22 12/05/06 (0)
In Reply to: Canadian? He'll hat e this! posted by jdaniel on December 5, 2006 at 09:55:24:
Nope, just the original Hi-Rez format.
- Yes, Martin I'm really surprised at that comment - jdaniel 18:54:19 12/04/06 (1)
In Reply to: "Nobody really cares what you think." posted by robert young on December 4, 2006 at 16:51:05:
The music industry doesn't care what I think? I'm an increasingly rare dinosaur of a consumer armed and ready to spend quite a substantial amount of money on a high-end digital player of some sort, and the software to go with it. If they ever get their act together.And yes, I understand, "several HUNDRED thousand downloads." Anyone in the music industry whose future pay is tied up in packaged media better be shaking in their boots. I know bean counters Martin.
Man, I haven't gotten a Brit this mad since I dared say that Sir Simon Rattle wasn't that great an artist.
- Yawn . . . - Martin419 03:19:46 12/05/06 (0)
In Reply to: Yes, Martin I'm really surprised at that comment posted by jdaniel on December 4, 2006 at 18:54:19:
> > . . . armed and ready to spend quite a substantial amount of money on a high-end digital player of some sort < <You've been trotting out that line ever since you started trolling here.
> > And yes, I understand, "several HUNDRED thousand downloads." Anyone in the music industry whose future pay is tied up in packaged media better be shaking in their boots. I know bean counters Martin. < <
Download-music *sales* is a growing opportunity. So is DVD 5.1 surround for domestic 5.1 audio systems. They are completely different markets.
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