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The billboard.com story , dated August 29, 2006 , says " each album includes a remastered CD edition plus a DVD with hi-resolution audio mixes , bonus tracks and period specific documentaries " ." DVD with high-resolution audio mixes " seems to be describing stereo and 5.1 DVD-A .
Depeche Mode is on Warner in the U.S. , and Canada . So , the video on the DVDs will be NTSC , for proper display on TV screens in these countries .
If the Billboard story is accurate , I expect that these " DVDs with high resolution audio mixes " will have good distribution in North America .
ZS KEKL
- http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003054646 (Open in New Window)
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DTS 24/96. Yes on the bit-rate and depth, but lossy compression."Music for the Masses" did sound nice, though - a solid remastering, but a bit shy of the Bjork series. At this point, I'll take what I can get.
I've used the series to demonstrate the audible difference of high-rez formats from redbook, as well as showing how near to high-quality vinyl it can be (and we're talking vinyl playback at a cost many many times that of the universal player I use...)
Even so I already pre-ordered the SACD + DVD from CDwow.com. I know the DVDs are PAL, but they play perfectly on my Pioneer 59Avi hooked up to my HDTV.Personally if something is released in DVD-Audio and SACD, for my tastes the SACD is the way to go. In the case of the Depeche Mode releases there will be no difference between the SACD release in Europe vs. the hi-rez DVD in the US (assuming the DVD has hi-rez mixes).
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Since most people in North America don't have SACD players , and can't properly play and display PAL DVDs .However , if a record label's goal is to sell , at max , a handful of discs in North America , then SACD + PAL DVD is the way to go .
ZS KEKL
how many people in North America can actually take advantage of hi-rez DVD-Audio mixes via their DVD players. I would bet that the majority of people have basic DVD players that do not do DVD-Audio - so how do they access the hi-rez content on these discs? They can't.You are correct that for most people in North America PAL video might be problematic and there are more DVD players sold than SACD players. Regardless, if I am given the choice between a hyrbrid SACD and a DVD-Audio disc, I will go with SACD everytime.
I have over 100+ DVD-Audio discs and over 400+ SACDs, so I am in both camps.
Why is Warner's all of a sudden changing their tune with these Depeche Mode releases, when Playing the Angel and the batch of first three remasters had NO hi-rez content on the DVD at all, whereas those same titles were released in Europe with SACD stereo and surround mixes?
> > how many people in North America can actually take advantage of hi-rez DVD-Audio mixes via their DVD players. < <Probably more than you think. Why do you think there have been over several hundred thousand downloads to date (over numerous torrent sites) of the Alan Parsons DVD-A hirez mix of DSOTM? Then added to this, there are probably as many again in pass-on duplications between friends. (Note: there has been a lossy DTS mix of the same around for quite some time which never really caused such shockwaves).
> > Why is Warner's all of a sudden changing their tune with these Depeche Mode releases, when Playing the Angel and the batch of first three remasters had NO hi-rez content on the DVD at all, whereas those same titles were released in Europe with SACD stereo and surround mixes? < <Probably because the DM SACDs sold phenomenally well, in the US as well as Europe. Warner lost out on all of that US revenue.
You've made the claim that " The DM SACDs sold phenomenally well in the U.S. " .Prove it .
ZS KEKL
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Now , you are crying because I asked you to prove your claim , and you can't prove it .LOL
ZS KEKL
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and it was all going so well....
I asked racerguy to prove his claim , but he failed to do so .Tunenut posted a very poor followup , and couldn't help racerguy prove his claim .
And now , Robert , you have posted a followup that fails to help racerguy prove his claim .
I have done nothing wrong . I , very appropriately , requested that racerguy prove his claim .
I started this discussion topic to discuss a story about Warner releasing , in the U.S. and Canada , Depeche Mode DVDs with high-resolution audio mixes .
I think that racerguy , tunenut , DrZhivago , raffells , and you , are the ones who should be criticized and reprimanded for posting garbage in this thread .
ZS KEKL
its about your inability to avoid the bait."And now , Robert , you have posted a followup that fails to help racerguy prove his claim . "
How many times do I have to tell you, ZS, that I am a DVD-A user? I don't care about the veracity of Racerguy's claim. Why do you insist that if someone thinks your post is heading back to the ridiculous place you used to be that I must be on some "side?" The "war," if there ever wwas one, is over, and we all lost, so get a grip on yourself. It would be great if you could continue posting your updates on upcoming releases, but if you're going to fall into every simple trap laid for you, and you become more like Inspector Dreyfus in the Pink Panther series, then you will have become a side show who hurtsw the cause a lot more than helping it.
I took no bait , whatsoever .I just interfered with racerguy's posting of his nonsense .
This resulted in the unhappiness of some people , including racerguy , and tunenut .
But , that's OK .
BTW , Robert , the topic of this thread is a story about Warner releasing , in the U.S. and Canada , Depeche Mode DVDs with high-resolution audio mixes . I note that several people have posted in this thread without ever saying anything about the discs or the story . That conduct seems very strange , and very inappropriate , to me .
ZS KEKL
"BTW , Robert , the topic of this thread is a story about Warner releasing , in the U.S. and Canada , Depeche Mode DVDs with high-resolution audio mixes . I note that several people have posted in this thread without ever saying anything about the discs or the story . That conduct seems very strange , and very inappropriate , to me . "Why do you suppose that is? May be the way the message is articulated.
Keep posting the updates. They are extremely valuable, even if I don't have much interest in Depeche Mode...;)
Now how did this thread go so wrong? Let me think and remember...."Now , you are crying because I asked you to prove your claim..."
Oh there it is, the first garbage. Who said it? Maintain a mature attitude and others will do the same.
Racerguy's claim was garbage . When I requested that he prove his claim , he posted more garbage . Tunenut , you had the opportunity to help racerguy prove his claim , but you couldn't prove it , so , instead , you posted garbage , too .Tunenut , you were one of the people who wanted Audio Asylum to create a church for SACD worshippers , like yourself . You got your church . It's called Hi-Rez Highway . You should stay there .
ZS KEKL
They have a word for people with these types of views.
...Some information you might be interested in ....Europe is larger that North America in population and size and has seemingly a much longer and larger musical heritage. I suppose the far East is also huge and similair and we both had SACD before dvda arrived..It may astonish you to know that despite that weird attitude towards musical reproduction that you certainly have,people over here do purchase the handfull of dual discs with your far inferior NTSC and due to our greater flexibility in equipment WE can watch the poor standard DVD and videos in colour.and stills on sacd...If your own equipment cannot display both then I suggest you change your equipment.I know people over there who can play both,,,
It might also suprise you to know we dont discriminate against which brand or country of origin the musical equipment that is being used on the recordings either.....
HDTV is where it's at .I have no interest in obtaining equipment to play and display inferior PAL video .
ZS KEKL
Wrong again...
Some technical details...
NTSC/525 Disadvantages
Lower Number of Scan Lines - Reduced clarity on large screen TVs, line structure more visible.
Smaller Luminance Signal Bandwidth - Due to the placing of the colour sub-carrier at 3.58MHz, picture defects such as moire, cross-colour, and dot interference become more pronounced. This is because of the greater likelihood of interaction with the monochrome picture signal at the lower sub-carrier frequency.
Susceptablity to Hue Fluctuation - Variations in the colour subcarrier phase cause shifts in the displayed colour, requiring that the TV receivers be equiped with a Hue adjustment to compensate.
Lower Gamma Ratio - The gamma value for NTSC/525 is set at 2.2 as opposed to the slightly higher 2.8 defined for PAL/625. This means that PAL/625 can produce pictures of greater contrast.
Undesirable Automatic Features - Many NTSC TV receivers feature an Auto-Tint circuit to make hue fluctuations less visible to uncritical viewers. This circuit changes all colours approximating to flesh tone into a "standard" fleshtone, thus hiding the effects of hue fluctuation. This does mean however that a certain range of colour shades cannot be displayed correctly by these sets. Up-market models often have this (mis)feature switchable, cheaper sets do not.
PAL/625 Advantages
Greater Number of Scan Lines - more picture detail.
Wider Luminance Signal Bandwidth - The placing of the colour Sub-Carrier at 4.43MHz allows a larger bandwidth of monochrome information to be reproduced than with NTSC/525.
Stable Hues - Due to reversal of sub-carrier phase on alternate lines, any phase error will be corrected by an equal and oposite error on the next line, correcting the original error. In early PAL implementations it was left to the low resolution of the human eye's colour abilities to provide the averaging effect; it is now done with a delay line.
Higher Gamma Ratio - The gamma value for PAL/625 is set at 2.8 as opposed to the lower 2.2 figure of NTSC/525. This permits a higher level of contrast than on NTSC/525 signals. This is particularly noticable when using multi-standard equipment as the contrast and brightness settings need to be changed to give a similar look to signals of the two formats.
Yes most of Europe went Hi def and we even have Satelite HD Sky BBC ITV..
You seem to be confused .I believe that HDTV / ATSC provides better picture quality than PAL .
I have no interest in taking a step backwards to obtain equipment to play and display inferior PAL .
ZS KEKL
Interesting..when the FACTS are presented to You...Then someone else is confused...BUT your beliefs are etc ?....ok It was too much for you to accept...the facts.....I think I started by saying that their is a word for people with your views....Case prooved.....Sadly I think you are doing more harm than good for the dvda hi rez cause.
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Obviously :You are still confused .
I still have no interest in obtaining equipment to play and display PAL video .
SACD + PAL DVD is still an extremely poor combination for almost all North Americans , since most people in North America don't have SACD players , and can't properly play and display PAL DVDs .
ZS KEKL
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ZS has made some valid points. I think he is wrong about PAL. I did buy 2 of the DM SACD's but the single disc versions. If Warners had planned to release them with a DVD'A track I would have waited so that I could have enjoyed the complete package.
ZS does a good job informing this forum of upcoming releases, far better than anyone I have seen here. He should be allowed to keep posting.If you have a problem with him, just skip past his posts.
so you call it trash .Your remark should get YOU banned from this forum .
I'm certain that you won't be missed , since you've never contributed anything to this forum .
ZS KEKL
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