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I can't help it if I know everything, and yes.... I DO have a (smug) answer to all Chris's points...

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In Reply to: Hmm, I think Chris is making some good points posted by Ted Smith on February 13, 2003 at 00:17:54:

But I won't bother and lets just boil it down to this:
If you, Chris or anyone else wants to point out the errors in my reasoning and have alternative ways of determining the accuracy of HIFI gear(other than I LIKE IT) then, BRING IT ON, because I'm ALL ears.
If, on the other hand, all you can do is misinterpret my points and then criticize them, because you're incapable of recognizing that this is really a Ferrari vs Lexus debate, then stick it, cause we're not talking the same language and....
Ok, just one small, smug, example (for the record):
"Your comment would be true if a system never "equaled" the performance of another piece of reference gear in each area of interest."
Chris asks:
"What does this mean, in English?"
This means (for people who need it spelled out for them):
That with a given reference, such as an Audible Illusions L1, I might get bass varying from say 7-9.5 (arbitrary)units but.....
When I remove the preamp and go direct from CD50 to the amp I might get bass that varies between 4-9 units.
Direct,I essentially can match the max bass of the AI, but only sometimes, with a much wider variation, and only when it is actually present in the source material. The AI on the other hand is obviously jacking up the bass ALL THE TIME, and in a non linear fashion. The fact that the CD50 direct sometimes sounds lean might be, and in this type of scenerio often is, MISINTERPRETED as a weakness. Hence my comment that I look to equal the performance of a reference in a given area, at least some of the time.
(note reference does not mean "best", it means comparative base line)
I won't go on because if some people aren't capable of reading between the lines I don't have the time to explain myself.....
Holy smokes, that really WAS condescending wasn't it? ;^)
ps There's got to be a better way of editing posts.

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I'm not trying to debate you. - Ted Smith 09:18:33 02/13/03 (2)
Howdy
Personally I compare the sound on my system to live performances and to other people's systems. There are some fine systems in the local area.
Chris's initial post just points out that not all systems do best with passive volume controls. His 2nd response was just reminding you that there is a difference between resolution and accuracy. Both of these are good points and you didn't address them in a rational manner, but instead you just claimed to know better.
All I did was point out that you'll never learn anything with your mouth open.
-Ted
- No. That 's NOT what happend. Who are you trying to kid? - gdg 14:17:26 02/13/03 (1)
  This is a little like the arguements I have with 16 year old students who are incapable of following a line of reasoning, and then go back and selectivly alter what was said when they paint themselves into a corner. Go back and READ the thread.
  
  There was NEVER any mention of the "resolution" vs "accuracy" arguement , which is a whole diffenent and legitimate debate. I never once even used the word resolution nor did Chris attack the concept.
  What happened was:
  -I made a comment about running an amp direct.
  -Chris gave me some relatively novice advice, as a "warning". (who's condescending?)
  -I responded with some, not neccesarily perfect, but at least logical, evidence of the validity of my approach.
  -SOMEONE COMPIMENTED ME ON THE POST at which point....
  -Chris felt it neccessary to step in, presumably to put me in my place, and pointed out that that a system, that demonstrates the variations in recordings I cited, is nothing more than consistent.(again who's condescending?)
  -I curtly try to clarify some points since it appears Chris has missed the essential concept (now I'm getting annoyed)
  -Chris fires back that I'm a know it all and....
  -I decide I'm wasting my time dealing with this on an intellectual level.
  -Blah, blah, blah, blah....
  
  Going back to my comment about 16 year olds who can't follow a line of reasoning and then have selective memory about how the conversation developed. Who exactly is the juvenile here.
  Since you mention comparison to live I had an direct experience with Thiel which put their testing gear in it's place. Described under a thread at DVD Audiobahn titled: "Now that you mention Thiel"
  http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/dvda/messages/1514.html
  - Everyone can read the posts for themselves [nt] - Ted Smith 14:32:54 02/13/03 (0)

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