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In Reply to: I disagree posted by Jim Austin on September 22, 2005 at 11:49:21:
Bad ScienceAustin wrote, "[JGH] Listened [to the Belt devices], heard no effect, and attributed the effect others claimed to hear to the power of suggestion--the same conclusion I reached about the IC."
If you are in anyway suggesting that what JGH did was comparable to what you did, you should be glad that I was not reviewing your thesis. There is a night-and-day difference between performing an experiment and sharing the results (as JGH did) as opposed to sharing your opinions without the benefit of any experimental results (as you did).
Arrogance
Austin asserts that he couldn't put forth a nuanced view on the IC due to the limited space he was allowed. I have a hard time accepting that this was the actual problem. Here on the Audio Asylum, where there is no shortage of space, Austin writes things like, "The IC CAN NOT possibly work."
Now, Jim, let me ask you a question. Did you ever change your mind about anything pertaining to audio? Or were your opinions somehow fully formed (like the newly born Athena springing forth from Zeus' head, wearing full armor and uttering a war cry) before you had any experiences with hi-fi? For instance, did you ever think that there was no way that speaker cables could sound different, but then had some experiences that caused you to reconsider your position?
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Now, Jim, let me ask you a question. Did you ever change your mind about anything pertaining to audio?Yes. And you?
Power cords. I thought it was unlikely that changing out an A/C cord could make a difference. In fact, switching from a high-quality standard A/C cord (a shielded, heavy-gauge Belden) to a fairly inexpensive aftermarket cord (VERY heavy gauge, triple-shielded, with a distributed ferrite layer), made a difference that was comparable to a component upgrade...and that was on a relatively low-powered integrated amp.
Charles, I think because I said something that made you mad, you've grabbed ahold of an image of me and won't let go. You insist on making me something that I'm not, on attributing to me opinions that I don't hold. In fact, I'm quite open minded. The IC is fairly unique in being so scientifically accessible. Unlike most things in audio, it's fairly easy to conclude that it can't possibly work, except in the realm of perception. I can rule it out. And I can't say that about very many things in audio.
Signing off...
You owe me, Jim!
...but there is absolutely no possibility that you're wrong this time? None?
Charlie,You are actually beginning to sound unstable, in my opinion (no, I can't prove it).
Mr. Wendell Narrod, please examine what you wrote to Mr. Hansen. "You are actually beginning to sound unstable". That is an ad hominem remark, and inappropriate for this forum.Best,
Fair enough. I find stridency, in debate, to undermine an argument because it moves the focus from the issue to the messenger. I have zero interest in the IC but have previously stated that I find it intellectually dishonest to make a judgement without an audition. Clearly Jim and Charlie aren't going to convince each other to reconsider the other's position. Perhaps it's time to move on and, hopefully, the two parties will choose to do so. JA has stated his position and I would be surprised he changes his editorial decisions
based on this discussion. My last post on this subject. I'm bored.
> JA has stated his position and I would be surprised he changes his
> editorial decisions based on this discussion.
Charlie did give me much to think about, but no, I am not convinced
that Stereophile did anything inappropriate. Reflecting on what I
wrote about the GSIC, I think that over the years, each bullshit,
bogus "explanation" offered for some new tweak has eroded my tolerance
for tweaks in general. If that partial closing of what once a
totally open mind is found offensive, my apologies. I am what I am.
In addition, I am increasingly aware of the ridicule audiophiles are
subject to from outsiders who could benefit from what companies like
Ayre have to offer but turn away, put off by, among other aspects of
our hobby, the fringe of bullshit that surrounds audiophilia.
My 2 cents.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
I haven't gotten my apology yet! ;-)
Hi Charlie, this too shall pass! ;-) They think I'm crazy too!
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