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In Reply to: Thoughts on Break-In of Bastanis Drivers posted by Lynn Olson on October 19, 2005 at 23:42:21:
Hi Lynn,thank you for your in- depht thoughts about the burn- in of the widebands, i agree we have to do a pre- burn- in for the widebands.
The two aspects of burn- in you named can be solved by your method, i will discuss this with Bill. The maximum power- input to the widebands
depends on the signal. When you allow frequencies below 30Hz the voicecoil is cooled by it`s movement, then only the maximum- excursion is important for not- destroying the driver. The maximum- excursion for a 48 hours burn- in (imho better than 24 hours) should be setteled at around 4-5mm max. in each direction (max. 1 cm total), the cone can move more than 2 cm without mechanical crashing the voicecoil but better stay in a save range on permanent signal. Also the woofers need a burn- in to soften the suspension, maybe using the second channel of the power- amp for this is fine.
The re- forming of the cone- and glue- structures is also done by this method and i am shure that Prometheus can play music (also the cap, tweeters, cables and soldering- points need some signal and the mechanical de-stressing of mounting needs also some time)after a few hours when the assembling is finished. This method will help to make it much easier for customers.
There is a third aspect of burn- in regarding the Prometheus- widebands which can`t be solved by on a short string, doesn`t matter which method: The cones are flexing over a wide frequency- range, the re- forming of the structures can be done by your method but not the softening of the cone- structures in the microscopic range which is also very important for listening. This microscopic flexibility is needed for all the fine informations which doesn`t result a movement of the whole cone- surface. When the cone is too stiff in this range it can not follow the microscopic signals, like violins or guitars when new. It takes around 6 month until this cone- behaviour is stable and there are many customers who report that they get music out of the speakers relatively quick and then they thought there is no more change in sound until "the one day" they listened to the music and there was only music left, no more hifi- sound at all and every customer who reported this rated the change in sound very high.
My method of cone- treatment to achieve the flexing behavoiur is matched to this point to get 100% out of them.
Following my experiences i would rate the sound- quality of a new Prometheus wideband- driver at 40%, when the high- level burn- in is done they are at 85%, to achieve the 100% it needs time, i haven`t found a method to speed up the fine burn- in but the drivers don`t need high levels for this and also with your method for the high- level burn- in customers can listen to their music on a satisfying level after a few hours.Thank you again for your thoughts and working out a method on this string, it will be a big step ahead!
Regards
Robert Bastani
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Square waves are composed of the fundamental and a series of odd harmonics (no evens anywhere) - and to have it even be recognisable on a scope the harmonics have to go out to at least the 9th, preferably a lot further than that for a really pretty one.(In passing, triangle waves are spectrally identical to square waves, the only difference is the phase of the harmonics. This is said as a reminder that spectrum analyzers discard time and phase information, since triangle and square waves have very different behavior with respect to how fast the equipment has to slew in order to follow the rise-time of the square wave. Do square waves and triangle waves sound different, even though spectrally identical? I leave that as an exercise for the reader ... )
Anyway, returning to the topic at hand, we can exploit this harmonic structure of the square wave in order to cool the voice coil while we break in the driver. If we want to voice to really be moving, we select the FIFTH harmonic to be the same as the Fs of the driver - so, for example, if the free-air Fs is 60 Hz, then we tune the square-wave generator to 12 Hz. If we want the third harmonic, we tune the generator to 20 Hz. Simple.
I do feel the key concept is a waveform with extremely high acceleration. This will get the attention of the cone, and assist the chemical re-bonding and re-arrangement of the paper fibers in the cone. A square wave is nothing more than a repetitive series of step functions, which is exactly what we want to stimulate the break-in process.
Going along with that thought, hmm - maybe a test DVD-V recorded at 96/24 would be a good idea after all, since it could contain a series of test tones that gradually ramp up and down in level, maybe over a 60 dB range. Set the DVD player to "repeat" and leave the thing alone for a several hours.
But failing that, I would manually crank the generator up and down in level to let the thermal cycling do its work - a heat/cool cycle would probably be desirable. Maybe full power for five minutes, forty-five minutes at -40dB, and ten minutes at -20dB? (Full power, cool-down, and pre-heat cycle.)
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Hi guys,Do I see any volunteers to produce a CD ?
Cheers,
Thom (150 hours and counting)
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with HiFi News..there was no copyright mentioned anywhere..It had various burnin tracks...one was sub 20Hz...with a level adjustment...I used them for my Prometheus..If I put it too loud..the gainclone shut itself down...
The last track was a burnin track with modified piano notes..
I'll see if I can put up some mp3's on my site. Or if not too many people want a copy..I can make some copies.
is the Purist Audio burn in- CD but i don`t know if it is still available. I had one (somebody has stolen mine) - very expensive but worth the money. There are high- energy signals similar to what Lynn described, sweeps and pink noise on it, simply play it in repeat- mode for two days at high level and the first burn- in is done. Also the amps and all signal- touchíng components take profit from this CD, even when they are burned- in with normal music- signals. The amps will get much hotter than with normal music- signals...Regards
Robert Bastani
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Used the Purist Audio Design CD (REV-B)
(six-+++ hours as prescribed)Not sure where the improvement came from,
tubes, cap's, wires, drivers, or my just expecting them to ...Needed a second opinion....recruited ...
the "Sig-Oth" ....After a glass of wine
and an hour and a half-hour or so ... she said ..."Wow ... what did you get ... NEW ... how much did it cost ???
it sounds GREAT ..."My opinion too ... and the cost was about a hundred bucks...
After this "run-in", my system seemed to demonstrate a little more synchronicity ... to repeat an over-used term.It just keeps getting better ... back to tube "rolling" ...
and maybe ... putting the "caps" back on the MK II AirForce horns ...
GGGGGGGGGGGG
Robert,The Purist Audio Design CD is still available but is a revised edition (revision B). Retails for $99USD. I'm still wondering whether or not to buy it as I can't find any reviews of it on the 'net and I'm worried it may not be as good/effective (advertising hype aside) as the original.
I want to try this disc too, but had the same reservations...BUT....it's Christmas time and I have a very deep stocking above the mantle...Maybe Ms. Santa will be kind to me.
Dogs will be DAWGS...
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