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Hi all,
I have ordered Black Gate caps to upgrade my KIt 1. Unfortunelly, I can't afford in this moment the super "E" cap configuration, previuosly discussed on this forum, so I have ordered the standard stuff. But,remaining a doubt: as a general idea, Kit 1 inmate, recommends, when was possible, NH caps on bypass cathode, so, maybe I can modify my oder and change the standard type, 220uF/100V, 300B cathode bypass with 2 NH 220uF/160V if will means a substancial improvement. (Originally, the set up on super "e" cap was 4 NH 100uF/160v).
Any comments?
Beto
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In case you havent read this Peter Q's post from the SET forum. The nonpolar blackgates upgrade would be one of the last things you do.Quote:
The recipe for recommended upgrades follows a very clear and preset pattern throughout both our kits and finished products, so if you start with say the standard Kit One which uses Beyschlag resistors, aluminium foil signal caps, standard electrolytics, copper wiring and Group B I-E core copper wired output transformers, from there we go to,
1/2 & 1 watt AN tantalum resistors
Copper foil capacitors
Standard Black Gates and a Cerafine filter cap, if you can find one!
Silver wiring where ever possible
Group C HiB C-core copper wired output transformersThe voicing of this combination is perfectly balanced as each part compliments the abilities and characteristics of the other.
A further level up is then available from,
1 & 2 watt AN tantalum resistors
Silver foil capacitors
FK and WKz type Black Gates
AN-Vx silver wire on input and stranded silver wiring elsewhere
Group C 50% nickel copper/silver wired C-core output transformersNext and final level would be,
2 watt AN tants
Silver foil caps
N type Black Gates
Sogon interconnect and stranded silver wire
Fully silver wired 55% nickel output transformersEach level is voiced to clear improve on the level below and in a system which has the ability to demonstrate the increased subtlety, refinement and beauty offers a fair value for the investment as you move up the ladder.
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Hi Vincin,
thanks for including PQ adivises.
Here I have another, aswering about this same question and others on the Tube/DIY forum.
Regards,
Beto
P.S. I will put a 220uF/6.3v cap instead of the 220uF/16v, on the 5687 cathode bypass position in order to put all bypasses with nonpolar N series. Any comments?
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I believe the voltage across the 5687 cathode resistor is 8 - 9v, thus the cap need to have 16v rating.
Hi Vincin,
do you have measure the actual voltage on the cap? maybe 8.4, as marked on the schematic are nominal. Do you know if this 6.3 are DC or AC voltages?
regards,
Beto
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Hi Vincin,
i have checked with Brian, and it seems that there is no trouble using NH 220uF/6.3v BG, becuase maybe they has overtolerance. Well, this way, I will have all cathode with nonpolar BG.
Regards,
Beto
P.S. also I wabt to change the bridge rectifiers and put 2 X 4 Schottky diodes in bridge configuration (zero recovery).
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Hi, I had the N blackgates in my amp for a while, but recently switch back to the FK, except for the 300b cathode by-pass.On my system the FK sound richer, the N is a bit too analytical.
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Hi Vincin,
(was NX, not NH, 222uF/6.3v, sorry).
How much time you run the break in period for the "N" type non-polar BG? I guess (and all people advise me) this will take a very long time before the bird sings properly.
Regards,
Beto
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I had N caps in my amp for like 3 - 4 months. They are very transparent, almost make the amp sound a bit thin and bright when I have the stock metal films resistors. The sound get better when I upgrade the resistors to a combination of AN tantalums and Riken carbon films. But overall I still prefer the FK better in my amp.I guess its more of a synergy thing, one should experiment to find the right combination. I think the PQ post gives a very sensible and cost effective road map for upgrading the amp.
Have fun.
Hi,
yeah, I'm agree is a synergistic matter, of course and one must experiment. The only but is that applying all the upgrade group is a bit expensive. So I must go step by step to get the desire sound. Sincerely, I like very much the actual kit 1 sound, with just the standard stuff; just like to try if the better can be better, hahaha!
Ciao
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haven't tried the super-e in k pass in my 300B. am using the BG WK 220uf/200v which is still non-polar (much cheaper too than the BG-Ns). In my AN DAC, however, the improvement was immediately obvious when I changed the k bypass of the 6922, from the standard 220uf/16v to a pair of non-polar BG 100uf/16v. they sounded IMHO more "open" and seemed to be "faster" Am not too familar with the audio terminology, but they do sound better. super e in the k of your 6SN7 and 5687 may not be too costly since you can use 16v caps. Just don't exceed recommended capacitance.
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Hi GTCharlie,
thanks for your commnets.
Well, I have to determinate if NH 220/160V will worth the effort over Standard 220uF/100V. Just a little detail, don't you think?.
Regards,
Beto
P.S. Will be a good thing, also, change R24 and R23, 3K3 resistors with tantalums?
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if this is the resistor to the grid of the final stage, yes. Get the 2w. PQ says the 2w sounds better. Can't hear the difference myself, but presumably (due to higher power rating) more stable. Hope this helps.
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