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In Reply to: RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? posted by josh358 on July 15, 2012 at 09:11:03:
“It seems to me that Mr. Avalos is trying much too hard. If he wants to show that prayer is efficacious, he'll have to conduct a controlled experiment that shows that it is, because merely pointing to shortcomings in an experiment is not, in science, sufficient to credit a theory.”
You have misunderstood. Mr. Avalos is taking the *skeptical* side of the debate as to the healing power of prayer. Nevertheless, his criticism that any such study can never control for which group gets prayer and therefore renders said study flawed (a priori), strikes me as sound.
Audiophiles can't even agree on a valid methodology for blind testing gear, and you expect believers and unbelievers to reach agreeable terms for a controlled test -- or for a third party to provide a solution -- as to the efficacy (or not) of prayer?! I've got a bridge to Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. ~:)
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Faith got's nothing to do with it! - the old school 21:47:26 07/09/12 (137)
- I see this old old argument drew lots of bites.. Good fishing! nt - Elizabeth 14:47:39 07/12/12 (1)
- ...yes, here we go again (and again) - JBC 13:34:41 07/18/12 (0)
- Well, no - Gag Halfrunt 12:38:10 07/10/12 (11)
- RE: Well, no - josh358 17:11:14 07/12/12 (0)
- RE: Well, no - RGA 02:53:29 07/11/12 (7)
- RE: Well, no - josh358 17:32:09 07/12/12 (0)
- Excellent post... - mkuller 11:53:55 07/11/12 (1)
- RE: Excellent post... - RGA 17:07:45 07/11/12 (0)
- RE: Well, no - rick_m 06:58:51 07/11/12 (1)
- RE: Well, no - RGA 08:58:51 07/11/12 (0)
- RE: Well, no - bjh 06:43:31 07/11/12 (1)
- RE: Well, no - RGA 08:53:27 07/11/12 (0)
- Don't exist... - mkuller 20:48:15 07/10/12 (0)
- RE: Well, no - the old school 20:34:06 07/10/12 (0)
- Why do you need to do a blind test to compare vinyl to seedee? - Ozzy 12:15:30 07/10/12 (14)
- RE: Why do you need to do a blind test to compare vinyl to seedee? - the old school 20:38:22 07/10/12 (5)
- And yet - E-Stat 08:24:47 07/11/12 (4)
- RE: And yet - the old school 21:47:27 07/11/12 (1)
- Both ways? - E-Stat 05:17:22 07/12/12 (0)
- RE: And yet - Tony Lauck 21:10:22 07/11/12 (1)
- Do you honestly think - E-Stat 05:20:54 07/12/12 (0)
- I think you'd be fooled ... - TBone 13:45:12 07/10/12 (7)
- Those seconds, after stylus touches the surface, but before the track starts - ... - carcass93 15:17:10 07/10/12 (6)
- RE: Those seconds, after stylus touches the surface, but before the track starts - ... - Tony Lauck 18:36:32 07/10/12 (4)
- "consisted of nothing but silent grooves with their rumble and ticks and pops." - Sordidman 09:38:37 07/16/12 (0)
- You're assuming of course there is analog noise to begin with. - jihad 02:09:14 07/12/12 (1)
- If there is no analog noise, the recording is excreted garbage. - Tony Lauck 09:37:59 07/12/12 (0)
- Quite right! NT - Poles Apart 19:22:17 07/10/12 (0)
- RE: Those seconds, after stylus touches the surface, but before the track starts - ... - TBone 15:40:10 07/10/12 (0)
- As others said, in case with CD vs. LP, you didn't have to bother with blindness. - carcass93 09:11:06 07/10/12 (2)
- RE: As others said, in case with CD vs. LP, you didn't have to bother with blindness. - the old school 09:59:24 07/10/12 (1)
- You're in denial ... happens when one cannot step out of their belief/faith system. nt - bjh 16:24:27 07/10/12 (0)
- RE: Faith got's nothing to do with it! - bjh 06:42:58 07/10/12 (55)
- Give it up, bjh. You're 51 years old - time to retire from posting.(nt) - samtellig 11:48:16 07/10/12 (6)
- RE: Give it up, bjh. You're 51 years old - time to retire from posting.(nt) - JNS 04:55:16 07/13/12 (5)
- "It will be nice when all you "old schoolers" go the way of the dinosaurs. " - soulfood 09:16:25 07/13/12 (4)
- RE: "It will be nice when all you "old schoolers" go the way of the dinosaurs. " - JNS 10:43:40 07/13/12 (3)
- RE: "It will be nice when all you "old schoolers" go the way of the dinosaurs. " - soulfood 16:52:56 07/13/12 (2)
- RE: "It will be nice when all you "old schoolers" go the way of the dinosaurs. " - JNS 18:29:13 07/13/12 (1)
- RE: "It will be nice when all you "old schoolers" go the way of the dinosaurs. " - soulfood 19:46:50 07/13/12 (0)
- RE: Faith got's nothing to do with it! - the old school 10:12:29 07/10/12 (47)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - regmac 12:55:27 07/10/12 (46)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - josh358 14:35:21 07/13/12 (12)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - regmac 08:02:36 07/15/12 (11)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - Tony Lauck 11:54:09 07/15/12 (1)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - regmac 07:46:42 07/16/12 (0)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - josh358 09:01:33 07/15/12 (8)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - regmac 09:39:24 07/15/12 (7)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - josh358 10:36:23 07/15/12 (6)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - regmac 11:00:45 07/15/12 (5)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - josh358 12:05:08 07/15/12 (4)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - regmac 13:14:11 07/15/12 (3)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - josh358 14:24:05 07/15/12 (2)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - rick_m 16:24:37 07/15/12 (1)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - josh358 16:27:20 07/15/12 (0)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - the old school 20:49:57 07/10/12 (6)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - RGA 03:39:25 07/11/12 (5)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - regmac 08:13:32 07/15/12 (4)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - RGA 20:13:09 07/18/12 (3)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - regmac 08:13:56 07/19/12 (2)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - RGA 13:08:25 07/19/12 (1)
- RE: Faith has much to do with it... - Tony Lauck 17:24:46 07/21/12 (0)
- That was excellent! NT - Poles Apart 19:29:08 07/10/12 (0)
- Will the sun rise tomorrow? - Pat D 16:20:45 07/10/12 (24)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - the old school 20:55:23 07/10/12 (20)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - Tony Lauck 21:39:29 07/11/12 (13)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - josh358 14:46:08 07/13/12 (12)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - the old school 21:52:33 07/13/12 (4)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - RGA 20:19:07 07/18/12 (2)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - the old school 11:23:25 07/19/12 (1)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - RGA 13:18:28 07/19/12 (0)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - josh358 05:40:32 07/14/12 (0)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - Tony Lauck 16:09:21 07/13/12 (6)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - josh358 16:41:02 07/13/12 (5)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - regmac 08:35:36 07/15/12 (4)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - josh358 09:11:03 07/15/12 (3)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - regmac 10:16:38 07/15/12 (2)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - RGA 20:34:06 07/18/12 (0)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - josh358 10:51:16 07/15/12 (0)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - Pat D 10:16:16 07/11/12 (5)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - the old school 21:51:19 07/11/12 (4)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - Pat D 08:27:42 07/13/12 (3)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - the old school 10:33:45 07/13/12 (2)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - RGA 13:43:04 07/19/12 (0)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - Pat D 17:50:01 07/13/12 (0)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - regmac 18:06:07 07/10/12 (2)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - Pat D 13:31:19 07/14/12 (0)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - the old school 21:01:08 07/10/12 (0)
- RE: Faith got's nothing to do with it! - Art Dudley 06:08:59 07/10/12 (19)
- RE: Faith got's nothing to do with it! - the old school 11:17:18 07/19/12 (0)
- got nothing - Kloss 06:19:00 07/12/12 (0)
- RE: Faith got's nothing to do with it! - the old school 10:35:08 07/10/12 (16)
- "Your question...is correctly answered NOT by your answer." - Art Dudley 11:15:18 07/10/12 (15)
- RE: "Your question...is correctly answered NOT by your answer." - the old school 22:03:57 07/11/12 (0)
- You see? - E-Stat 07:25:34 07/11/12 (8)
- Yikes! I do now! - Art Dudley 08:07:36 07/11/12 (7)
- RE: Yikes! I do now! - tmsorosk 06:46:25 07/15/12 (0)
- RE: Yikes! I do now! - farfetched 10:23:04 07/12/12 (0)
- RE: Yikes! I do now! - John Atkinson 11:15:25 07/11/12 (4)
- RE: Yikes! I do now! - TubeDriver 09:29:14 07/12/12 (0)
- RE: Yikes! I do now! - the old school 22:55:38 07/11/12 (0)
- RE: Yikes! I do now! - the old school 22:24:30 07/11/12 (0)
- RE: Yikes! I do now! - the old school 22:11:53 07/11/12 (0)
- RE: "Your question...is correctly answered NOT by your answer." - the old school 07:21:54 07/11/12 (0)
- RE: "Your question...is correctly answered NOT by your answer." - the old school 21:08:05 07/10/12 (3)
- RE: "Your question...is correctly answered NOT by your answer." - Art Dudley 08:12:51 07/11/12 (2)
- Art, You Forgot . . . - Telynau 17:28:10 07/18/12 (0)
- RE: "Your question...is correctly answered NOT by your answer." - zako 08:34:28 07/11/12 (0)
- I think you're confusing faith with religion. - jihad 23:07:21 07/09/12 (28)
- RE: I think you're confusing faith with religion. - the old school 10:42:33 07/10/12 (0)
- RE: I think you're confusing faith with religion. - the old school 06:00:07 07/10/12 (26)
- Religion is an expression of faith. - jihad 08:58:27 07/11/12 (0)
- RE: I think you're confusing faith with religion. - rick_m 08:33:30 07/10/12 (18)
- RE: I think you're confusing faith with religion. - farfetched 10:16:08 07/12/12 (1)
- RE: I think you're confusing faith with religion. - rick_m 11:29:58 07/12/12 (0)
- RE: I think you're confusing faith with religion. - the old school 10:48:20 07/10/12 (15)
- RE: I think you're confusing faith with religion. - Tony Lauck 15:55:45 07/10/12 (1)
- Also: Emerson: "Science does not know its debt to imagination." NT - Poles Apart 19:32:39 07/10/12 (0)
- RE: I think you're confusing faith with religion. - rick_m 13:22:47 07/10/12 (12)
- The masters used are frequently different - E-Stat 14:41:11 07/10/12 (11)
- RE: The masters used are frequently different - rick_m 15:17:20 07/10/12 (10)
- RE: The masters used are frequently different - the old school 21:15:23 07/10/12 (0)
- RE: The masters used are frequently different - fmak 15:28:23 07/10/12 (8)
- RE: The masters used are frequently different - Tony Lauck 16:15:43 07/10/12 (7)
- Not possible? - fmak 08:42:39 07/11/12 (6)
- RE: Not possible? - Tony Lauck 14:00:59 07/11/12 (5)
- RE: Not possible? - the old school 22:10:00 07/13/12 (1)
- RE: Not possible? - Tony Lauck 09:59:40 07/14/12 (0)
- RE: Not possible? - fmak 15:44:05 07/11/12 (2)
- something is wrong ... - TBone 10:55:28 07/14/12 (0)
- Show me the data. You can not do this. You are blowing smoke. - Tony Lauck 18:07:45 07/11/12 (0)
- Blind testing vinyl vs CD - E-Stat 06:24:59 07/10/12 (5)
- RE: Blind testing vinyl vs CD - the old school 11:05:19 07/10/12 (4)
- I see my point sailed - E-Stat 14:46:20 07/10/12 (3)
- RE: I see my point sailed - the old school 21:17:27 07/10/12 (2)
- Never mind :) -nt - E-Stat 07:21:57 07/11/12 (1)
- RE: Never mind :) -nt - the old school 22:15:57 07/11/12 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - regmac 10:16:38 07/15/12 (2)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - RGA 20:34:06 07/18/12 (0)
- RE: Will the sun rise tomorrow? - josh358 10:51:16 07/15/12 (0)