In Reply to: RE: apparently amplifier tests conducted by the military posted by Triode_Kingdom on March 18, 2015 at 06:51:42:
...I've noticed this phenomenon in a number of vintage amp designs, notably the various Williamson implementations. It manifests as an intermittent to continuous low frequency "bouncing" of the output at a couple of Hz with an amplitude of maybe 1/2V P-P. Easily noticible as woofer pumping. It can be induced by power line perturbations, large signal transients or even just physically pushing on the woofer which injects a low frequency signal into the output that the feedback circuit attempts to correct. While the PS may indeed be a factor, I was not able to significantly reduce the ringing by adding practically large amounts of decoupling capacitance betw stages. The cure for the designs I've worked with involved modifying the time constants of the coupling of two cascaded stages within the global feedback loop.
Typically, the ratio of time constants of successive stages in the unstable vintage designs was about 5:1. A rule of thumb even back then was that the ratio should be a minimum of 10:1. I've found that 20:1 to 25:1 to be most effective w/o significant affect on LF response or distortion. Some stable designs of the era achieved the staggering of time constants by using large coupling caps at g1 of the finals and small caps at g1 of the drivers. I like to reverse this with relatively small caps at the finals and large caps at the drivers. This seems to reduce the effects of output stage blocking under heavy drive conditions.
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- "Low frequency ringing"... - Steve O 11:18:21 03/18/15 (22)
- time constants - Lew 07:09:04 03/20/15 (4)
- RE: time constants - Steve O 10:47:19 03/20/15 (3)
- RE: time constants - Lew 11:10:21 03/20/15 (2)
- RE: time constants - Steve O 20:04:48 03/20/15 (1)
- RE: time constants - Lew 22:02:54 03/20/15 (0)
- RE: "Low frequency ringing"... - Michael Samra 14:29:20 03/19/15 (1)
- RE: "Low frequency ringing"... - DrRick 03:54:29 03/20/15 (0)
- Morgan Jones is rather adamant about using Voltage Regs on B+ for that reason - richardl 16:57:03 03/18/15 (8)
- RE: Morgan Jones is rather adamant about using Voltage Regs on B+ for that reason - Steve O 17:20:03 03/18/15 (7)
- I don't disagree - richardl 10:16:25 03/19/15 (0)
- RE: Morgan Jones is rather adamant about using Voltage Regs on B+ for that reason - Caucasian Blackplate 19:12:28 03/18/15 (4)
- "[...] unless you stay all class A, which sort of defeats the need in the first place " - jorisdallaire 05:41:34 03/22/15 (2)
- RE: "[...] unless you stay all class A, which sort of defeats the need in the first place " - Caucasian Blackplate 11:14:03 03/23/15 (1)
- Thanks for the clear explanation! (nt) - jorisdallaire 10:54:07 03/24/15 (0)
- RE: Morgan Jones is rather adamant about using Voltage Regs on B+ for that reason - Steve O 20:37:32 03/18/15 (0)
- RE: Morgan Jones is rather adamant about using Voltage Regs on B+ for that reason - PakProtector 17:34:32 03/18/15 (0)
- RE: "Low frequency ringing"... - lovetube 16:43:08 03/18/15 (0)
- RE: "Low frequency ringing"... - Eli Duttman 11:52:41 03/18/15 (4)
- Small is relative... - Steve O 15:13:27 03/18/15 (3)
- RE: Small is relative... - Triode_Kingdom 19:06:58 03/18/15 (2)
- LF phase shift... - Steve O 20:21:18 03/18/15 (1)
- RE: LF phase shift... - Triode_Kingdom 21:45:12 03/18/15 (0)