In Reply to: RE: CHECK THIS OUT PART 5 You are just a fuckin idiot arent you? Speak up! posted by rzigray@wrmills.com on July 22, 2009 at 15:40:17:
This is a well respected dealer high up on the food chain....
Having just noticed this thread, I need to interject a couple of things, as a response here and to one other of mr. elf's posts below. These will serve to undermine mr. elf's credibility, not that he isn't doing an excellent job of that himself.
The emails Rudy has posted here are legitimate, and verbatim copies of the ones I received yesterday, so, contrary to what mr. elf is seemingly so desperate to have people believe, they are not 'imagined', and people should believe what Rudy 'is typing' because it is not 'rubbish', it is the truth.
mr. elf then states that 'there was not a single reply by any member', which, again, is false. I sent a lengthy response to the Audiogon dispute resolution forum yesterday, as I believe several others did as well. I was aware of this scam from its inception and commented on Rudy's behalf because of that. I have known Rudy for quite a while, and know him to be an honest person. A little excited at this point, but who in his position would not be? Rudy was scammed and is angry. Angry for getting taken, and angry that, with Audiogon's help, mr. elf is seemingly going to get away with it. At this point, though Rudy would like to get his money back, he is mainly trying to alert other people in the community of what happened so they do not get scammed by mr. elf as well. The fact that Audiogon has not allowed the responses of those who were aware of what happened to verify Rudy's account is unfortunate. They are in essence protecting the scammer.
Here's the summary of what would seem to be the scam:
Rudy sees an unnaturally good deal for a pair of Audience cables on Audiogon and sends mr. elf $861.
No shipment ever arrives. This is the truth, to which anyone at his place of work can attest after listening to him pester the letter carrier day after day.
OK, could have gotten lost in the mail or delayed. Our first clue that something is not as it should be is mr. elf's continued insistence that the package was delivered to Rudy and he can prove it because he has a 'delivery confirmation number' that he keeps flashing all about as if it were not meaningless. As anyone who has ever learned to regret trusting the Postal Service knows, a 'delivery confirmation' designation does not provide any tracking as reasonable people understand tracking. It is not proof that something was delivered to Rudy, or to Rudy's address.
Although we do not all do it, we do all know that it is the responsibility of the seller to see that the purchased item makes it safely into the hands of the purchaser, this includes proper packaging, insurance, and, if you are smart, tracking. If the package does not arrive undamaged, it is not the buyer's fault and the buyer cannot legitimately be asked to share the pain. From a legal standpoint this is probably the bottom line.
But, mr. elf hammers out a deal with Rudy wherein Rudy will accept some of his off brand cables plus $400 in money orders. This time mr. elf sends Rudy the elf cables, and nothing else. Then conveniently claims that he didn't use money orders as had been agreed on, but sent $400 cash in the package instead. But this time he uses FedEx and the package can be tracked to prove he sent something. So, mr. elf claims that Rudy is lying about not receiving the cash. Of course! This should probably be the second red flag to anyone who is paying attention. You are in a heated dispute with someone revolving around claims that they did not receive something you sent earlier, so you send them a package containing not money orders for which you have a receipt, but cash! I don't think so.
Up to this point, one could fairly believe that, perhaps, just perhaps, mr. elf was telling the truth and that he had originally sent Rudy a pair of underpriced Audience cables just as he claimed, and that they mysteriously vanished. It happens. Not often, but it happens, especially if the seller is careless enough to send something without insurance or tracking.
(Though Rudy had noticed, and the alleged moderators at Audiogon might have been able to verify, that, of all the ads which mr. elf had on Audiogon, the only ad which did not have a picture of the goods to be sold, was the ad for the Audience cables). Maybe there was a reason he could not take a picture of cables he did not have. Or could have been just a strange coincidence.
What would make a serious person begin to doubt mr. elf's version of reality was that Rudy checked mr. elf's feedback and found a person who had also purchased an item from mr. elf, which had mysteriously disappeared in transit and, coincidence upon coincidence, this person had also been talked into taking elf cables instead.
All that lightning in one place, how odd that is.
So, Audiogon is not policing the system for scammers to the extent that members might rightfully expect.
Rudy is not going to be made whole here, and he knows it. All he is trying to do is to alert people to what seems to go on occasionally when dealing with mr. elf, who, to be fair, has some satisfied customers as well. Caveat emptor, as always.
No one is in a position to prove anything for either side beyond a shadow of a doubt. My main intent was to point out that a few of the things that mr. elf had posted here regarding whether or not anyone had posted a response to the dispute on Audiogon were factually inaccurate, and to provide some context to the nature of the original dispute, which the moderators at Audiogon have unadvisedly chosen to bury.
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Follow Ups
- Wisdom sounds so much more pleasant than ramblings of a Moron. - rzigray@wrmills.com 15:56:08 07/22/09 (40)
- RE: Wisdom sounds so much more pleasant than ramblings of a Moron. - wirewizard 16:52:06 07/22/09 (0)
- HIS MORON MIND IS LIKE A CHILD, HE MUST HAVE THE LAST WORD, - rzigray@wrmills.com 16:42:43 07/22/09 (38)
- RE: LETS SEE IF YOU WISH TO HAVE THE LAST WORD - wirewizard 16:57:40 07/22/09 (37)
- Ernest, you can end this with one phone call. - Wendell Narrod 17:48:05 07/22/09 (34)
- RE: Ernest, you can end this with one phone call. - wirewizard 19:06:41 07/22/09 (33)
- That doesn't prove you sent him $400. - Wendell Narrod 19:14:53 07/22/09 (32)
- RE: That doesn't prove you sent him $400. - wirewizard 20:06:15 07/22/09 (31)
- TELL YOUR WIFE YOU TOOK THE MONEY AND.... - rzigray@wrmills.com 22:50:06 07/22/09 (1)
- RE: TELL YOUR WIFE YOU TOOK THE MONEY AND.... - wirewizard 23:18:41 07/22/09 (0)
- I wonder how many people following this thread believe you. - Wendell Narrod 20:11:34 07/22/09 (28)
- RE: I wonder how many people following this thread believe you. - wirewizard 20:33:54 07/22/09 (27)
- "....in cahoots with Rudy." - Wendell Narrod 20:40:37 07/22/09 (26)
- RE: "....in cahoots with Rudy." - wirewizard 21:10:51 07/22/09 (3)
- "...the voicemail would just be icing on the cake. " - Wendell Narrod 21:13:25 07/22/09 (2)
- RE: "...the voicemail would just be icing on the cake. " - wirewizard 21:31:06 07/22/09 (1)
- RE: "...the voicemail would just be icing on the cake. " - Wendell Narrod 21:38:07 07/22/09 (0)
- RE: "....in cahoots with Rudy." - wirewizard 20:45:51 07/22/09 (21)
- Rudy, you have an invitation. - Wendell Narrod 20:49:06 07/22/09 (20)
- RE: Rudy, you have an invitation. - wirewizard 20:52:30 07/22/09 (19)
- RE: Rudy, you have an invitation. - Wendell Narrod 21:01:05 07/22/09 (18)
- RE: Rudy, you have an invitation. - wirewizard 21:25:22 07/22/09 (17)
- Wendell, I mentioned above his imature child like character he will continue with the last word.. - rzigray@wrmills.com 21:43:27 07/22/09 (11)
- RE: Wendell, I mentioned above his imature child like character he will continue with the last word.. - wirewizard 22:00:09 07/22/09 (9)
- RE: Wendell, I mentioned above his imature child like character he will continue with the last word.. - rzigray@wrmills.com 22:51:58 07/22/09 (1)
- RE: Wendell, I mentioned above his imature child like character he will continue with the last word.. - wirewizard 23:27:49 07/22/09 (0)
- Ernest is already looking for pics of me he is scared... - rzigray@wrmills.com 22:46:00 07/22/09 (1)
- RE: Ernest is already looking for pics of me he is scared... - wirewizard 23:17:25 07/22/09 (0)
- RE: Wendell, I mentioned above his imature child like character he will continue with the last word.. - rzigray@wrmills.com 22:36:07 07/22/09 (4)
- RE: Wendell, I mentioned above his imature child like character he will continue with the last word.. - wirewizard 23:42:10 07/22/09 (0)
- I am 6' 1" 225 pounds not exactly a lap dog dick - rzigray@wrmills.com 22:47:46 07/22/09 (2)
- RE: I am 6' 4" 275 pounds ...lol - wirewizard 23:15:44 07/22/09 (1)
- AKA you're fat - ejlif 15:07:19 07/24/09 (0)
- RE: Wendell, I mentioned above his imature child like character he will continue with the last word.. - Wendell Narrod 21:46:33 07/22/09 (0)
- "...and offered to compensate you with money" - Wendell Narrod 21:28:38 07/22/09 (4)
- RE: "...and offered to compensate you with money" - wirewizard 21:38:57 07/22/09 (3)
- No, I didn't know that. - Wendell Narrod 21:41:33 07/22/09 (2)
- RE: No, I didn't know that. Wendel I offered troll 5000 dollars to prove it nothing more. - rzigray@wrmills.com 21:47:58 07/22/09 (1)
- RE: No, I didn't know that. Wendel I offered troll 5000 dollars to prove it nothing more. - Wendell Narrod 21:50:30 07/22/09 (0)
- Neal Callander decided to have the last word.... - rzigray@wrmills.com 17:47:15 07/22/09 (1)
- RE: Rudy decided to have the last word.... - wirewizard 18:58:34 07/22/09 (0)