In Reply to: RE: question....... posted by RC Daniel on November 24, 2014 at 19:18:03:
My 2 cents worth for whatever it's worth.
The most authoritative and dynamic op point for most 2A3 tubes seems to be 250 VDC across the tube, drawing 42.5 ma.
This won't square with the calculation-rich people, but it works extremely well into the standard 2.5K load.
One might load-adjust-- experiment and try something like 3K with the EML, but don't expect any new revelations.. Triodes aren't super critical as to loading, but as you come closer to normal op points, loading gets more critical.
The Thermistor definitely requires bypassing-- that will become more obvious as your amp leans towards better transparency. With sensitive speakers, it will become obvious to you.
The JJ-2A3-40 is easily the most powerful and sensitive. It's a great tube, once you dial-in your amplifier to it's different sound characteristics as compared to other 2A3's. Nothing else sounds the same as it does, so just plunking one into an amp won't reveal what it is capable of sonically, plus it's very powerful with that 42.3 ma.
You won't get more "oomph" from any 2A3 by running more than 45 ma. It doesn't work that way. When the tube is not run as hard (as the standard 60 ma.), it can stand far more input swing without distorting. This will translate into superior perceived power and dynamics. Sometimes, an output transformer that is a cheapie may require quite a bit of current thru the tube, (I'm not discussing transformer saturation level here, I'm talking about the transfer efficiency of the transformer instead), so you must use an efficient transformer to take advantage of the lesser plate current in the tube.
The EML falls between the older predecessor of it-- the AVVT Mesh Plate, and the JJ-2A3-40. It won't handle the idle current of the JJ, but it will handle more than the older AVVT.
The JJ, however, performs GREAT at the 42.5 ma., something one wouldn't expect. This is a really good amplifier tube-- really excellent in every way.
If you just plug-in the JJ, the EML and then the old AVVT Mesh, into an existing amp setup for standard 2A3 operation, you'll hear greatest transparency with the AVVT, less with the EML, and then less yet with the JJ almost to the point of boredom.
All you have to do is re-voice the amp for what tube you're using. When you do that, the JJ-2A3-40 will amaze you. It will deliver EVERYTHING!
That sense of great power will reel you in, once you have it doing all the details and bandwidth right.
And, yes, it can be very elegant. It just needs a different voicing arrangement than any other 2A3.
---Dennis---
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- RE: question....... - tube wrangler 20:02:06 11/24/14 (70)
- Time for New Tubes - Mr_Steady 04:36:21 11/29/14 (2)
- RE: Time for New Tubes - Tre' 11:37:35 11/29/14 (1)
- RE: Time for New Tubes - Mr_Steady 12:56:48 11/29/14 (0)
- RE: question....... - Tre' 22:49:24 11/24/14 (65)
- RE: question....... - tube wrangler 11:21:42 11/25/14 (5)
- RE: question....... - Tre' 15:15:24 11/25/14 (4)
- RE: question....... - tube wrangler 16:10:34 11/25/14 (3)
- RE: the subjective experience ... - deathtube 667 04:06:48 11/25/14 (58)
- RE: the subjective experience ... - Tre' 07:22:45 11/25/14 (56)
- Getting back to what Dennis said.... - Tre' 07:36:36 11/25/14 (55)
- RE: Getting back to what Dennis said.... - maxhifi 08:14:54 11/25/14 (54)
- RE: Getting back to what Dennis said.... - drlowmu 19:31:51 11/25/14 (2)
- Pejorative Terms - Mr_Steady 05:27:06 11/26/14 (1)
- RE: Pejorative Terms - drlowmu 06:38:36 11/26/14 (0)
- +1 - Ivan303 08:44:38 11/25/14 (0)
- Thank you, now it's Dennis' turn......(nt) - Tre' 08:35:07 11/25/14 (49)
- Puleeeeeze stoooop.... - Ivan303 08:45:42 11/25/14 (48)
- So we should let the false statement stand? (nt) - Tre' 15:09:36 11/25/14 (47)
- Maxhifi is absolutely right. That leaves no 'false statement' to argue about. - Ivan303 18:07:57 11/25/14 (0)
- RE: So we should let the false statement stand? (nt) - tube wrangler 16:25:12 11/25/14 (45)
- RE: So we should let the false statement stand? (nt) - GEO 17:31:47 11/25/14 (44)
- RE: So we should let the false statement stand? (nt) - drlowmu 19:35:52 11/25/14 (43)
- RE: So we should let the false statement stand? (nt) - GEO 05:16:05 11/26/14 (42)
- RE: So we should let the false statement stand? (nt) - Mr_Steady 05:48:06 11/26/14 (41)
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- Subtle sales pitch again - GEO 06:06:59 11/30/14 (12)
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- RE: Subtle sales pitch again - GEO 16:18:59 11/30/14 (0)
- A Possible Solution? - Mr_Steady 06:51:37 11/30/14 (9)
- RE: A Possible Solution? - GEO 17:17:22 11/30/14 (8)
- RE: A Possible Solution? - tube wrangler 21:32:53 11/30/14 (5)
- Talk to Don Garber instead of me - GEO 04:55:15 12/01/14 (4)
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- This is the SET Asylum ? - GEO 13:01:39 12/01/14 (0)
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- RE: A Possible Solution? - Mr_Steady 18:59:28 11/30/14 (1)
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- I dig it. - Mr_Steady 15:04:50 11/26/14 (0)
- RE: the subjective experience ... - Mr_Steady 05:14:56 11/25/14 (0)
- RE: question....... - sonicboom 21:29:40 11/24/14 (0)