Been around the block a few times with audio, but never have owned a 300B amplifier. Have decided to start at the start, and build myself a Western Electric 91A clone. My logic is to start with this, and move to a more modern topology if I see a need for it after I experience what is possible with the original design.
Now, doing some research this really opens a can of worms, and there's a few points I would like to ask some advice on from more experienced single ended triode people. I am proposing to follow the original 91A schematic exactly, with the exception of a couple of points, and also have a couple of general questions regarding the original schematic.
1. I have read a lot of speculation as to the function of the 1MF capacitor between the voltage divider at the grid resistor of the 300B, and the self bias resistor of same, but cannot figure out its function and haven't read an adequate explanation of what it could be.
2. A lot of the "91a" circuits out there propose substituting a 6J7 or a 6C6 for the 310A, without any modification to component values. Are they really similar enough that this is a good idea?
3. I intend to not use the input transformer. I would however like to retain negative feedback from the plate of the 300B to the screen grid of the input tube, and need to figure out what sort of overall gain the amplifier has in this configuration. I am expecting it to be excessive, but am hesitant to change anything, since I don't want to mess with the negative feedback loop design.
4. Frequency shaping components in the screen grid circuit of the input tube don't have a real application if I will be using this as a power amplifier. am not sure what values to use, or maybe best to just eliminate them entirely. I read these components are related to the response of optical movie soundtracks, and thus not required.
5. Value of the choke to be substituted for "speaker field" ?
6. The coupling capacitors look very small, probably intentionally to reduce low frequency bandwidth. I will have to revise these to be larger, but don't want to ruin stability of the amplifier with negative feedback applied.
7. I understand that the brand of output transformer to choose is more or less like asking someone what is their favourite car, but feel free to state personal preference.
I realize I have more questions than answers, but any contributions are appreciated.
Best Regards
Max
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Topic - WESTERN ELECTRIC 91A CLONE DISCUSSION - maxhifi 14:34:16 11/21/14 (68)
- RE: WESTERN ELECTRIC 91A CLONE DISCUSSION - Wojciech 20:36:18 11/22/14 (0)
- WECo 91A/B--Long, but hopefully informative - gilmorneau 12:06:13 11/22/14 (26)
- Amertran - GSH 07:58:53 11/23/14 (0)
- RE: WECo 91A/B--Long, but hopefully informative - Mr_Steady 05:22:49 11/23/14 (0)
- RE: WECo 91A/B--Long, but hopefully informative - maxhifi 12:46:51 11/22/14 (23)
- RE: WECo 91A/B--Additional points and some corrections - gilmorneau 09:02:41 11/23/14 (7)
- ebay transformers - maxhifi 13:23:01 11/24/14 (1)
- RE: ebay transformers - gilmorneau 20:46:15 11/24/14 (0)
- RE: WECo 91A/B--Additional points and some corrections - GSH 10:50:39 11/23/14 (2)
- RE: WECo 91A/B--Additional points and some corrections - gilmorneau 17:45:55 11/23/14 (1)
- RE: WECo 91A/B--Additional points and some corrections - GSH 18:44:31 11/23/14 (0)
- RE: WECo 91A/B--Additional points and some corrections - maxhifi 10:21:40 11/23/14 (1)
- RE: WECo 91A/B--Shindo Info and Partridge Output Transformers - gilmorneau 20:18:33 11/23/14 (0)
- RE: WECo 91A/B--Long, but hopefully informative - Paul Joppa 21:55:13 11/22/14 (0)
- RE: "6J7 has lower distortion than 6SJ7, and it avoids the need for a weird tube socket. " - Ivan303 18:29:22 11/22/14 (13)
- RE: "6J7 has lower distortion than 6SJ7, and it avoids the need for a weird tube socket. " - maxhifi 19:09:04 11/22/14 (12)
- "6J7 has lower distortion than 6SJ7" - Jim Dowdy 06:17:58 11/23/14 (7)
- RE: "6J7 has lower distortion than 6SJ7" - Mr_Steady 10:46:30 11/23/14 (6)
- RE: "6J7 has lower distortion than 6SJ7" - maxhifi 12:07:33 11/23/14 (5)
- 'it is not the same tube internally' - Jim Dowdy 14:01:56 11/23/14 (3)
- RE: 'it is not the same tube internally' - maxhifi 14:45:12 11/23/14 (2)
- RE: 'it is not the same tube internally' - Jim Dowdy 16:54:37 11/23/14 (1)
- RE: 'it is not the same tube internally' - Tre' 19:16:57 11/23/14 (0)
- RE: "6J7 has lower distortion than 6SJ7" - Mr_Steady 12:21:19 11/23/14 (0)
- RE: "6J7 has lower distortion than 6SJ7, and it avoids the need for a weird tube socket. " - Mr_Steady 05:25:57 11/23/14 (1)
- RE: "6J7 has lower distortion than 6SJ7, and it avoids the need for a weird tube socket. " - maxhifi 10:02:35 11/23/14 (0)
- RE: "6J7 has lower distortion than 6SJ7, and it avoids the need for a weird tube socket. " - RC Daniel 20:58:40 11/22/14 (0)
- Yes, I assumed as much... - Ivan303 19:36:15 11/22/14 (0)
- RE: WESTERN ELECTRIC 91A CLONE DISCUSSION - Jim Dowdy 06:00:39 11/22/14 (16)
- RE: WESTERN ELECTRIC 91A CLONE DISCUSSION - maxhifi 09:13:50 11/22/14 (15)
- Which of Thorsten's schemas would you like? - RC Daniel 16:17:23 11/22/14 (11)
- ALL OF THEM! - Ivan303 17:50:03 11/22/14 (10)
- Could only find one. Linked. - RC Daniel 01:25:13 11/23/14 (8)
- Link to Thorsten's Legacy 300B - Jim Dowdy 06:24:09 11/23/14 (5)
- RE: Link to Thorsten's Legacy 300B - Mr_Steady 10:16:35 11/23/14 (0)
- That's Dowdy Lama! Yep, that's one of the first versions.... - Ivan303 07:34:46 11/23/14 (3)
- Schema. - RC Daniel 12:03:32 11/23/14 (1)
- Yes, that's it.... - Ivan303 14:57:10 11/23/14 (0)
- Make that "Thanks, Dowdy Lama"... - Ivan303 07:55:50 11/23/14 (0)
- Thorsten and JC Verdier - Mr_Steady 05:18:43 11/23/14 (1)
- RE: Thorsten and JC Verdier - RC Daniel 12:17:46 11/23/14 (0)
- I believe DIY HiFi Supply... - RC Daniel 20:53:03 11/22/14 (0)
- I used to have a schematic from one of his web postings.... - Ivan303 09:46:22 11/22/14 (0)
- 6C6 in the WE 91A - Jim Dowdy 09:37:28 11/22/14 (1)
- RE: 6C6 in the WE 91A - maxhifi 09:44:23 11/22/14 (0)
- RE: WESTERN ELECTRIC 91A CLONE DISCUSSION - vinnie2 04:04:51 11/22/14 (0)
- RE: WESTERN ELECTRIC 91A CLONE DISCUSSION - mbhcid 14:45:55 11/21/14 (21)
- A M91 for MG iron - Paul Joppa 21:02:30 11/21/14 (17)
- RE: A M91 for MG iron - johnsonad 07:44:19 11/24/14 (0)
- Paul, you did indeed post it! - RC Daniel 22:44:04 11/21/14 (1)
- Thanks! - Paul Joppa 21:17:46 11/22/14 (0)
- RE: A M91 for MG iron - maxhifi 21:38:14 11/21/14 (13)
- Consider this DC circuit for 2A3 - Frihed89 23:15:48 11/21/14 (12)
- RE: Consider this DC circuit for 2A3 - drlowmu 15:22:25 11/22/14 (8)
- Please set up a serious stereo forum - GEO 19:25:49 11/22/14 (0)
- RE: Consider this DC circuit for 2A3 - tube wrangler 18:27:18 11/22/14 (5)
- RE: Consider this DC circuit for 2A3 - drlowmu 21:38:15 11/22/14 (0)
- Yes, everyone please STOP!!!! - Ivan303 20:12:18 11/22/14 (0)
- RE: Consider this DC circuit for 2A3 - GEO 19:27:45 11/22/14 (2)
- RE: Consider this DC circuit for 2A3 - GEO 06:01:54 11/23/14 (0)
- Stop looking backwards; move forward. - RC Daniel 21:39:28 11/22/14 (0)
- What's this? More Serious Stereo shilling, - gusser 17:25:46 11/22/14 (0)
- Here's the reference - Frihed89 03:03:55 11/22/14 (0)
- RE: Consider this DC circuit for 2A3 - maxhifi 23:28:09 11/21/14 (1)
- RE: Consider this DC circuit for 2A3 - Frihed89 01:34:13 11/22/14 (0)
- RE: WESTERN ELECTRIC 91A CLONE DISCUSSION - Ivan303 16:32:43 11/21/14 (2)
- RE: WESTERN ELECTRIC 91A CLONE DISCUSSION - maxhifi 09:08:40 11/22/14 (1)
- Yeah, that is a later version that I understand Thorsten also contributed to... - Ivan303 10:41:44 11/22/14 (0)