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RE: Partial answer to OT question.

I would like to clarify the intention of my previous post. I think this may be most effectively done by responding to some – not all – of your points, though I don’t feel comfortable separating and selecting them for direct responses. I mean no offense; here goes:

*** What you're saying is true for most people, and is still true to a very limited extent of those who seek to overcome this effect, in order to produce something that works well. ***

“Saying”; “true”; “most”; “limited extent”; “overcome”; “works well” - all mean different things to different people, even when used in the same context. They are concepts.

To demonstrate, let us examine "well." Well <> best <> perfect <> absolute. That which is perceived to work well for one person may not be perceived as such for/by another, even within similar contexts. Perhaps we could use what many perceive to be the gold standard of science investigation to genuinely quantify "well" and how to assess its attainment. Such quantification is based on incomplete previous research, subjective interpretation, analyses incorporating assumptions, and so on... "Well" for a given phenomenon can not be perfectly, consistently, defined in a quantitative sense or in a qualitative sense at an individual-in-a-given-moment level. Incomplete, imperfect, non-absolute and therefore not Truth.

Please don't (mis)interpret this as disregard for concepts per se. They have their role in attempting to characterise and support survival within our relative, phenomena-based world. Research, philosophy, commentary, research, science, etc. are helpful and I believe their insights should be discussed, debated, questioned, challenged, supported, adopted, and questioned again. What I am saying is that our concepts are limited; not Truth. Perhaps it would be beneficial not to hold them as truths? We may just benefit from questioning further our concepts... as you have claimed to have questioned accepted "accepted techniques that have proven themselves over time" and developed a path less trodden.

*** It is overly simplistic to simply dismiss a set of techniques that have proven themselves over time-- as merely the result of normal Human failings. ***

You support the, er, concept that I was explaining. I never stated this, refer to any “human failings”, nor did I intend to “simply dismiss”. These are your words, indicative of your own conceptualisation; your self.

My recent background is in health science. I was recently a clinical research principal: developing research protocols and systems, being involved in peer-review and ethics approval, engaging biostatisticians, etc. This idea of the limitations of concepts I initially found very confronting because superficially it seemed diametrically opposed to accepted science. Crap – the outcomes of science are not truths! Further consideration revealed that such an understanding actually underpins scientific progress. I would suggest that that an understanding of the limitations - the imperfection of concepts, of methods, the results, the interpretation/discussion and therefore the conclusions - makes for more complete researchers and science in general.


*** I think in terms of not caring about whose idea something is-- what I care about is what it takes to design a piece of equipment that will totally honor all sorts of music, and that will last without failure or malfunction... Whose ideas the things that were necessary to accomplish this had ZERO to do with the effort... Results are what counts. ***

These are some of the reasons why I continue to read and genuinely appreciate your posts; I have copies of so many of them I will soon need to purchase additional storage space ;^) I also appreciate the posts of most posters here; I find the posts of Paul J, Thorsten L, Dave S, Dan L and a few others most helpful.

As with anything I post here, this is not meant to be a paper examining each-and-every argument related to this topic. As such, it is full of holes and unsupported claims and therefore especially vulnerable to specific criticism. Of course it is – it is a concept! I could discuss this all day; however, at this juncture there is not much more I wish to say on this matter.

Cheers
Raymond

"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's mind there are few." Shunryo Suzuki



Edits: 01/25/10

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