![]() |
Room Acoustics Forum by Rives Audio Welcome! Need support, you got it. Or share you ideas and experiences. |
|
In Reply to: stuck with a cube shaped room posted by jimgrocecfp@hotmail.com on January 16, 2008 at 06:08:00:
A cube shaped room will have one single set of extremely strong axial resonances since each axis of the room has the same dimension.
I would strongly recommend bass traps in the corners, most definitely in the corners behind the speakers if you can only manage 2 corners but preferably in all 4 where the room allows it, and floor to ceiling if you can manage them. You've got a door in one corner by the look of the photos and that makes bass traps in that corner difficult. You could use stand mounted panel traps placed diagonally across the corner with the door closed but you would have to be prepared to move them each time some one comes into or leaves the room which is a pain. If you leave that corner without traps you may wish to leave the other corner behind you without them as well for the sake of balance.
If you can't fit traps into the two wall corners behind you, try fitting them into the wall ceiling corners there. Note that I'm not talking simple corner treatments, I'm talking about sizeable bass traps running lengthwise along the walls at the ceiling interface there.
Bass traps would be my primary treatment suggestion. I would also recommend treatment of the first reflection points but there's certainly an element of preference as to how you like recordings to sound when it comes to that. I would definitely recommend that you either listen to a system in a room where the first reflection points have been treated or try it yourself with some makeshift absorption at the first reflection points of your room to see whether you like it. I'd recommend free standing panels for first reflection points since their location will change with changes to speaker and listening position placement and free standing panels make dealing with such changes easy. You can use a thick rug on the floor for the floor to treat the floor reflection points and you may get some benefit from using a rug as well as the existing carpet. Ceilings are trickier since you probably need to use relatively permanent attachment to any reflection treatments there so make sure you've finalised your speaker and listening position placements before treating the ceiling points if you decide to do that.
If bass traps don't smooth the room response sufficiently, with or without treatment at the first reflection points depending on your preferences there, then I'd add some large areas of absorption capable of broad band absorption, especially in the bass region. You will get more benefit from the same area of absorption if areas on opposite walls do not line up exactly opposite to each other so asymmetric placement on opposite walls is a good idea. Consider using areas of absorption at least 4' x 2' in size at each point, and preferably at least 3' wide or so since area certainly helps improve bass absorption but the thickness and density of the materials used are the primary factors in getting decent bass absorption.
Some diffusion would probably help also given the relatively small (with the exception of ceiling height) room dimensions.
You've obviously gone to some effort to create a good looking room and acoustic treatments are highly visible. You can try matching the colour of the fabric covers to the walls in order to reduce the visual impact. Unfortunately as a rule of thumb the effectiveness of acoustic treatments depends strongly on the surface area and small, visually unobtrusive treatments are going to be less effective than larger ones which are harder to make visually unobtrusive. It's a pity in many ways but size does count here.
David Aiken
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors:
Follow Ups
- RE: stuck with a cube shaped room - David Aiken 13:01:29 01/16/08 (45)
- RE: stuck with a cube shaped room - jimgrocecfp@hotmail.com 07:52:02 01/17/08 (44)
- You don't need to treat reflections!!! - KlausR. 21:52:36 01/18/08 (41)
- From a report on the recent AES Convention - David Aiken 14:17:14 01/20/08 (1)
- 123rd AES convention - KlausR. 05:04:18 01/21/08 (0)
- RE: You don't need to treat reflections!!! - Ethan Winer 11:39:23 01/20/08 (7)
- I don't have the anechoic chamber needed for such research! - KlausR. 04:58:33 01/21/08 (6)
- RE: I don't have the anechoic chamber needed for such research! - David Aiken 14:49:16 01/21/08 (4)
- RE: I don't have the anechoic chamber needed for such research! - KlausR. 04:46:53 01/23/08 (3)
- RE: I don't have the anechoic chamber needed for such research! - David Aiken 05:22:51 01/23/08 (2)
- The advantage of a synthetic sound field... - KlausR. 07:15:25 01/23/08 (1)
- RE: The advantage of a synthetic sound field... - David Aiken 13:08:27 01/23/08 (0)
- RE: I don't have the anechoic chamber needed for such research! - Ethan Winer 10:34:01 01/21/08 (0)
- In assessing Klaus' views on reflections… - David Aiken 15:18:33 01/19/08 (30)
- It is Toole's views, not mine!!! - KlausR. 06:40:57 01/21/08 (29)
- Here's my challenge to you. - David Aiken 14:16:08 01/21/08 (28)
- RE: Here's my challenge to you. - KlausR. 04:21:27 01/23/08 (26)
- Additional comments… - David Aiken 15:07:04 01/23/08 (6)
- Subs vs acoustic treatment - KlausR. 05:02:29 01/24/08 (5)
- RE: Subs vs acoustic treatment - Ethan Winer 09:51:48 01/24/08 (4)
- Re:If you have a domestic size room, modes are always a problem - KlausR. 22:05:14 01/25/08 (3)
- RE: Re:If you have a domestic size room, modes are always a problem - David Aiken 18:14:45 01/27/08 (2)
- RE: Re:If you have a domestic size room, modes are always a problem - KlausR. 00:52:42 01/30/08 (1)
- RE: Re:If you have a domestic size room, modes are always a problem - David Aiken 06:34:32 01/30/08 (0)
- RE: Here's my challenge to you. - David Aiken 06:45:04 01/23/08 (18)
- RE: Here's my challenge to you. - KlausR. 04:50:25 01/24/08 (17)
- RE: Here's my challenge to you. - David Aiken 21:15:03 01/24/08 (15)
- RE: Here's my challenge to you. - KlausR. 22:39:59 01/25/08 (14)
- RE: Here's my challenge to you. - David Aiken 00:35:24 01/26/08 (13)
- Research and real life - KlausR. 06:38:00 01/28/08 (12)
- RE: Research and real life - David Aiken 13:52:41 01/28/08 (11)
- RE: Research and real life - KlausR. 02:14:22 02/06/08 (10)
- RE: Research and real life - David Aiken 13:58:03 02/06/08 (8)
- RE: Research and real life - KlausR. 06:14:12 02/12/08 (4)
- RE: Research and real life - David Aiken 16:01:16 02/12/08 (3)
- Main and 2nd system - KlausR. 04:43:40 02/14/08 (2)
- "However, a well engineered speaker should NOT show any on-axis aberrations that need compensation" - David Aiken 16:34:33 02/14/08 (1)
- RE: "However, a well engineered speaker should NOT show any on-axis aberrations that need compensation" - KlausR. 06:59:37 02/18/08 (0)
- RE: Research and real life - Ethan Winer 10:37:58 02/07/08 (2)
- RE: Research and real life - jimgrocecfp@hotmail.com 11:59:49 02/11/08 (1)
- RE: Research and real life - David Aiken 13:54:43 02/11/08 (0)
- My experiments - KlausR. 05:23:27 02/06/08 (0)
- RE: Here's my challenge to you. - David Aiken 17:32:29 01/24/08 (0)
- RE: Here's my challenge to you. - Ethan Winer 09:53:06 01/24/08 (0)
- RE: Here's my challenge to you. - Ethan Winer 15:20:21 01/21/08 (0)
- RE: stuck with a cube shaped room - David Aiken 12:45:59 01/17/08 (0)
- RE: stuck with a cube shaped room - Ethan Winer 10:17:24 01/17/08 (0)