In Reply to: A really big can of worms posted by MAD MAN HARJU on January 3, 2005 at 04:07:50:
“could be causingâ€Engineers and scientists don't work on "could", they work on IS. It's the same silly arguement as the cables. Proponents of certain equipment just like certain cables are long on theories and generalities and very short of facts and data. They would have you believe that the process of improvement is infinite, and that there is no point beyond which further electrical improvement doesn't offer any usable audible benefit. They claim they can hear what can't be measured. This is extremely self serving to those in the business of making and selling products because it opens the door to an infinite number of new and improved models which can never be tested to see if they actually are of usable value over the previous art. This is rediculous and it is not the way of science. Scientists establish the absolute criteria beyond which further improvement cannot be usable because of the limits of human perception and then they find a way to measure their designs against those criteria. Once they have bettered them, there is no need to go any further except to make their designs cheaper, smaller, more efficient or more reliable.
"BUT just because you can’t hear it you can’t sit there and say that it doesn’t matter."
Take my word for it, if you can hear it, it CAN be measured. OK, don't take my word for it. Next time you take a hearing test, ask your audiologist. And if you can't hear it, it really doesn't matter. In fact, many times reproducing what is inaudible creates new problems without offering any benefits. There would be no reason for a television set to be designed to reproduce infrared and ultraviolet colors. They also add nothing of benefit.
"Soundmind you are really an old dog that can’t learn to sit, and clearly under your sun there are nothing new…"
Under my sun, there are facts and there is hype. Hype is used when there are no facts to sell to uninformed or untrained people what more knowledgeable people will pass off with a laugh. At least in that regard, you're right, there is nothing new. And you are also right about the fact I don't just sit passively for a lot of it.
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- Re: A really big can of worms - Soundmind 05:46:04 01/03/05 (35)
- Re: A really big can of worms - MAD MAN HARJU 11:11:56 01/03/05 (0)
- That depends on what the meaning of 'is' is. - Tom Dawson 09:55:28 01/03/05 (26)
- Hi Tom - jneutron 10:11:53 01/03/05 (25)
- Re: Hi Tom - Tom Dawson 15:43:30 01/04/05 (0)
- But John.... - Commuteman 12:21:10 01/03/05 (4)
- No buts... - jneutron 12:43:39 01/03/05 (3)
- Re: No buts... - Soundmind 13:36:40 01/03/05 (0)
- Re: bugging me - MAD MAN HARJU 12:52:18 01/03/05 (1)
- Re: bugging me - jneutron 13:58:16 01/03/05 (0)
- What engineering is and isn't - Soundmind 11:02:54 01/03/05 (18)
- And after all of that, when the final product sounds like shit... - Ivan303 17:56:11 01/25/05 (0)
- I'm sure that your Steinway - E-Stat 13:32:10 01/03/05 (1)
- The engineering of a Steinway - Soundmind 14:24:48 01/03/05 (0)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - john curl 12:19:58 01/03/05 (0)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - MAD MAN HARJU 11:58:32 01/03/05 (3)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - hitsware 17:26:32 01/03/05 (0)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - Soundmind 13:29:04 01/03/05 (1)
- End of words??? - MAD MAN HARJU 13:57:37 01/03/05 (0)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - john curl 11:34:30 01/03/05 (9)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - MAD MAN HARJU 13:08:30 01/03/05 (2)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - john curl 13:39:59 01/03/05 (1)
- Re: What engineering is - MAD MAN HARJU 14:16:04 01/03/05 (0)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - Soundmind 11:57:45 01/03/05 (5)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - john curl 12:25:07 01/03/05 (4)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - Soundmind 12:38:59 01/03/05 (3)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - john curl 15:45:39 01/03/05 (2)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - Soundmind 18:46:13 01/03/05 (1)
- Re: What engineering is and isn't - john curl 20:16:58 01/03/05 (0)
- Re: A really big can of worms - MAD MAN HARJU 09:37:49 01/03/05 (6)
- Re: A really big can of worms - Soundmind 11:55:01 01/03/05 (5)
- Re: A really big can of worms - MAD MAN HARJU 12:15:38 01/03/05 (4)
- Re: A really big can of worms - jneutron 12:21:30 01/03/05 (3)
- Inaudible High-Frequency Sounds - MAD MAN HARJU 12:45:01 01/03/05 (2)
- Thanks. - jneutron 05:57:11 01/04/05 (0)
- Re: Another Question ? - hitsware 18:33:55 01/03/05 (0)