In Reply to: Re: And now I've seen them as well.... posted by jneutron on August 22, 2003 at 09:58:50:
Ok, I agree with:I don't believe all the "heard effects" are imaginary; I just see very little science applied to finding the root cause
I also see a lot of head-in-the-sand denial from many people here (not you).
I think it's great that you want uncover the real physical causes of these effects. I think your obvious expertise could be used more constructively to help further this understanding, rather than being used purely to prove that nobody else knows what they're doing.
Yeah, John C's not always the easiest person to talk to, and he certainly has a short fuse, but that doesn't invalidate what he's done. At least he's doing something.
There have been a large number of posts in which you push on John to get more details about his test set up. This is a joke to anyone who understands the test equipment involved, but looks impressive to some people here.
Given how simple the measurement is, it's clear that you are not seeking information so that you can duplicate the test (that would be real peer review), but so that you can show the rest of the board how smart you are by finding holes in his methodology. Oh, and you don't have to be right; you just have to sound right...
I described the test set up in another message. If you set up a similar environment, made some tests, and got different results from John's, THEN your critique of his set up might be useful in moving the science forward.
Until then, it's 100% hot air. You could contribute a lot more.
Peter
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Follow Ups
- Hey, we're agreeing! - Commuteman 10:12:15 08/22/03 (43)
- Hee hee..we're jumpin thread to thread.. - jneutron 10:28:00 08/22/03 (42)
- So maybe I can help the communication - Commuteman 11:20:15 08/22/03 (41)
- Re: So maybe I can help the communication - john curl 15:30:28 08/22/03 (40)
- Seebeck/peltier... - jneutron 19:24:11 08/22/03 (36)
- Re: Seebeck/peltier... - john curl 23:21:43 08/22/03 (35)
- Re: Seebeck/peltier... - jneutron 04:53:47 08/23/03 (34)
- Re: Seebeck/peltier... - john curl 08:22:30 08/23/03 (33)
- Re: Seebeck/peltier... - jneutron 09:01:31 08/23/03 (32)
- Re: Seebeck/peltier... - john curl 09:54:43 08/23/03 (31)
- Ah...deflection of any technical conversation..typical, John - jneutron 10:22:54 08/23/03 (30)
- Re: Ah...deflection of any technical conversation..typical, John - john curl 13:06:57 08/23/03 (29)
- Re: Ah...deflection of any technical conversation..typical, John - jneutron 16:29:53 08/23/03 (28)
- Ok, so can you explain how these thermal effects might manifest themselves? - Commuteman 17:29:51 08/23/03 (27)
- Re: Ok, so can you explain how these thermal effects might manifest themselves? - jneutron 12:54:34 08/24/03 (26)
- Re: Ok, so can you explain how these thermal effects might manifest themselves? - john curl 15:37:42 08/24/03 (25)
- Re: Ok, so can you explain how these thermal effects might manifest themselves? - jneutron 07:59:53 08/25/03 (24)
- Can you stop arguing with JC and describe what you think might be happening? - Commuteman 09:09:25 08/25/03 (8)
- Who's arguing? I'm being bashed for trying to explain. - jneutron 11:21:13 08/25/03 (7)
- Are you sure you can use this Seebeck/Peltier cause and effect model? - Commuteman 12:18:56 08/25/03 (6)
- I forgot to add.. - jneutron 17:20:41 08/25/03 (0)
- I'll stick to this thread. - jneutron 12:31:19 08/25/03 (4)
- Can we get to some ballpark numbers to see if it's significant? - Commuteman 13:41:47 08/25/03 (3)
- You're killin me... - jneutron 15:56:18 08/25/03 (2)
- I think we're using the same numbers.. - Commuteman 17:28:12 08/25/03 (1)
- AHA!!!!! So that's where the error is... - jneutron 17:46:53 08/25/03 (0)
- Re: Ok, so can you explain how these thermal effects might manifest themselves? - john curl 08:50:17 08/25/03 (14)
- JC..you really have to read the posts.... - jneutron 10:29:16 08/25/03 (13)
- Re: JC..you really have to read the posts.... - john curl 13:36:44 08/25/03 (10)
- Hi John - jneutron 15:21:15 08/25/03 (9)
- Re: Hi John - john curl 16:47:15 08/25/03 (8)
- Re: Hi John - jneutron 17:04:43 08/25/03 (7)
- Re: Hi John - john curl 20:16:24 08/25/03 (6)
- Re: Hi John - jneutron 21:34:29 08/25/03 (5)
- And BTW..You never did say who Dr. Van den Hul was.. - jneutron 21:48:10 08/25/03 (4)
- Everyone is entitled to their opinion.... - Charles Hansen 22:03:03 08/25/03 (3)
- Hmmm. - jneutron 05:41:31 08/26/03 (0)
- Hellllooo Charles... - jneutron 03:45:13 08/26/03 (1)
- OH, and Charles..... - jneutron 04:55:27 08/26/03 (0)
- Peltier effects are reversible with current direction - Commuteman 11:43:41 08/25/03 (1)
- AHA..gotcha - jneutron 11:58:44 08/25/03 (0)
- Yep, my oscillator is now the problem - Commuteman 16:31:13 08/22/03 (2)
- Re: Yep, my oscillator is now the problem - Dan Banquer 05:29:28 08/23/03 (1)
- Thanks - Commuteman 09:59:43 08/23/03 (0)