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In Reply to: RE: statistics question posted by mike1127 on July 09, 2009 at 00:04:31
You wrote:
"Regarding how often we are told, "No one has ever passed a cable blind test," ...."
Actually, this is has been mis-worded or misquoted.
Many people have 'passed' a cable listening test. I have 'passed' such tests.
However, the objectivists often require and demand more than reasonable levels of proof.
Unless a listening test is fully written up, and submitted to a peer-reviewed scientific journal, most objectivist's won't accept it as any sort of proof. Even then, when faced with some sort of evidence, they often look for excuses to dismiss the data and to call for even further tests to "back up the one conducted", dismissing it wholly until more test data is submitted.
Several examples:
I have conducted many blind listening tests, and been able to identify cables using p~0.10, and have done this over a large number of runs.
However, I have not written them up formally and submitted them to a peer-reviewed journal, therefore the objectivist's dismiss them as lies and propaganda.
A fellow named Vandy at a chat board called Audio Review conducted a series of listening tests some years ago, using a methodology similar to what I have recommended, and found that he was able to generate a statistical positive, yet he was so lambasted and flamed upon, that he left the AR board never to return, due to the viscious and relentless badgering and hammering from the objectivist's.
Other's have attempted amateur listening tests for cable differences, and tried to 'submit' their statistically positive results on the news groups, only to be flamed and denigrated and hounded by dozens of hard-core objectionists.
I seriously doubt (and so do most subjectivist's) that any amateur work would ever be accepted by the objectivist crowd, it is too easy to be a critic, too easy to not do anything, to easy to say "no, it can't be".
I am not trying to discourage you, but this is the situation we find ourselves in, a highly polarized one where things are portrayed as black and white, right and wrong, and no room for less than perfection (which will never happen).
Jon Risch
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