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An Honest Question.

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thetubeguy1954

When discussing whether or not audio components and wires have a unique sound of their own, opponents of this issue will state once the SPLs & frequency variations are matched, the audio components and wires will be sonically the same, or the differnces so slight as to be undetectable. Then they'll often state in their next breath that ONLY speakers actually sound sonically different.

This caused me to wonder, wouldn't speakers ---{of the same type, because I realise monopoles, bipoles & dipoles would all interact differently with the room, due to their different dispersion characteristics}--- also sound the same once their SPLs & frequency variations are matched? So I curious if we took 2 different monopoles or 2 different bipoles or even 2 different dipoles and placed them one at a time in the same location in the room, wouldn't they also sound the same once we matched their SPLs and frequency variations? This is a sincere question as this is an area in which I'm not very knowledgeable.

Thetubeguy1954

~Rational Subjectivism. It's An Acquired Taste!~

Follow Ups:

RE: An Honest Question. - tomservo 14:15:39 05/04/09 (17)
- Has anyone ever documented the effects of... - mkuller 14:21:16 05/04/09 (16)
  - RE: Has anyone ever documented the effects of... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 08:36:03 05/06/09 (14)
    - RE: Has anyone ever documented the effects of... - tomservo 08:58:27 05/07/09 (0)
    - No measured...heard....(nt) - mkuller 10:14:20 05/06/09 (0)
    - And I believe they do like! - Don Till 09:57:01 05/06/09 (11)
      - RE: And I believe they do like! - tomservo 08:57:21 05/07/09 (10)
        
        RE: And I believe they do like! - Don Till 12:20:03 05/07/09 (9)
        
        RE: And I believe they do like! - Sostenuto 05:50:20 05/08/09 (7)
        
        Agree, but... - E-Stat 14:18:50 05/08/09 (0)
        
        RE: And I believe they do like! - Don Till 12:43:52 05/08/09 (5)
        
        RE: The obviousness of colorations or distortions. - rick_m 13:10:01 05/08/09 (4)
        
        RE: The obviousness of colorations or distortions. - Don Till 18:11:58 05/08/09 (3)
        
        Sound so pure you can't stand to listen... - rick_m 22:00:57 05/08/09 (2)
        
        RE: Sound so pure you can't stand to listen... - Don Till 10:26:07 05/09/09 (0)
        
        RE: Sound so pure you can't stand to listen... - bjh 04:21:35 05/09/09 (0)
        
        RE: And I believe they do like! - tomservo 13:28:50 05/07/09 (0)
  - RE: Has anyone ever documented the effects of... - tomservo 18:29:07 05/04/09 (0)
An honest answer - LarryB 12:50:44 05/04/09 (0)
An honest answer - Richard BassNut Greene 09:26:37 05/04/09 (78)
- I enjoyed your story about the Minimi - E-Stat 15:46:42 05/04/09 (16)
  - "agree entirely regarding the value of using a third octave EQ on subs." = wrong again E-Stat - Richard BassNut Greene 09:09:22 05/05/09 (15)
    - I listen a fair amount - E-Stat 09:28:45 05/05/09 (14)
      - That particular sentence didn't specify the type of EQ, but only a parametric EQ is useful for subwoofers - Richard BassNut Greene 09:43:31 05/05/09 (13)
        
        Thanks for clarifying - E-Stat 11:03:20 05/05/09 (12)
        
        "A third octave EQ is good enough for mid-fi systems." = wrong again - Richard BassNut Greene 07:21:51 05/06/09 (11)
        
        I'll say it again - E-Stat 07:35:49 05/06/09 (10)
        
        And you're wrong again, but I'll be positive and teach you about equalization whether you listen or not : - Richard BassNut Greene 14:28:16 05/06/09 (9)
        
        Actually - E-Stat 15:31:10 05/06/09 (8)
        
        I answered the question for a two-channel audio system -- the primary interest here - Richard BassNut Greene 16:07:16 05/06/09 (7)
        
        Despite all your posturing - E-Stat 16:15:01 05/06/09 (6)
        
        I clearly contradicted your claim and you remain humming loudly with both ears plugged with your fingers - Richard BassNut Greene 09:46:08 05/07/09 (5)
        
        Test questions - E-Stat 10:08:59 05/07/09 (4)
        
        Test Answers - Richard BassNut Greene 14:24:16 05/08/09 (3)
        
        Dumb as dirt - E-Stat 14:47:45 05/08/09 (2)
        
        I challenge others to read our posts in this thread and make that decision themselves - Richard BassNut Greene 13:57:37 05/10/09 (1)
        
        I really don't understand the difference here - E-Stat 14:27:16 05/10/09 (0)
- Yes RBNG Give An Honest Answer! - thetubeguy1954 12:03:38 05/04/09 (43)
  - I'm sick and tired of your posts so I have whited them out on the computer screen, and so .. - Richard BassNut Greene 09:56:31 05/05/09 (2)
    - Great idea I'm going to do the same - Don Till 10:02:34 05/05/09 (1)
      - How dare you !!! - Richard BassNut Greene 14:33:43 05/06/09 (0)
  - RE: Yes RBNG Give An Honest Answer! - Don Till 12:25:13 05/04/09 (37)
    - RBNG Now Gives Contradicting Answers On Wires! - thetubeguy1954 08:20:05 05/05/09 (2)
      - "I'm not sure how long you've been following RBNG's rants " -- "RantReaders vs. AntEaters -- - Richard BassNut Greene 09:18:55 05/05/09 (1)
        
        No one can hear the difference between "RantReaders" and "AntEaters" - kerr 10:03:58 05/05/09 (0)
    - Logic is not one of Tom's strong points. - Pat D 17:26:19 05/04/09 (33)
      - All speakers sound different, all wires sound the same, nyah nyah nyah - Richard BassNut Greene 09:03:36 05/05/09 (4)
        
        RBNG Now Says It's ONLY Possible All Speakers Sound Different & All Wires Sound The Same! - thetubeguy1954 12:25:15 05/07/09 (3)
        
        It took you over two days to come up with this? - Richard BassNut Greene 13:51:59 05/08/09 (2)
        
        RBNG Contradicting Himself A Second Time! - thetubeguy1954 08:26:11 05/13/09 (1)
        
        Doesn't a second contradiction get you back to where you started? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:53:09 05/15/09 (0)
      - Yeah Pat RBNG Contradicts Himself & You Agree With Him! - thetubeguy1954 08:26:15 05/05/09 (22)
        
        Don and I just showed that the two propositions you cited were not contradictory, and I see you must agree! - Pat D 14:21:45 05/05/09 (21)
        
        Patty You Get More Idiotic Everyday! - thetubeguy1954 09:09:28 05/06/09 (20)
        
        Of course this should be taken as a complement - Richard BassNut Greene 14:57:08 05/06/09 (1)
        
        For Once You're Actually Correct! - thetubeguy1954 08:41:31 05/07/09 (0)
        
        You make up some imaginary allegation about me and I'm supposed to answer it? GUAB - Pat D 11:56:37 05/06/09 (17)
        
        RE: You make up some imaginary allegation about me and I'm supposed to answer it? GUAB - thetubeguy1954 10:18:35 05/07/09 (16)
        
        RE: You make up some imaginary allegation about me and I'm supposed to answer it? GUAB - Pat D 08:34:15 05/09/09 (15)
        
        A Promise To You Pat ---- A Truth Is Told - thetubeguy1954 12:01:15 05/15/09 (14)
        
        RE: A Promise To You Pat ---- A Truth Is Told - Pat D 19:39:48 05/18/09 (12)
        
        RE: A Promise To You Pat ---- A Truth Is Told - thetubeguy1954 11:06:00 05/19/09 (11)
        
        RE: A Promise To You Pat ---- A Truth Is Told - Pat D 20:38:47 05/19/09 (10)
        
        RE: A Promise To You Pat ---- A Truth Is Told - thetubeguy1954 07:34:10 05/20/09 (9)
        
        RE: A Promise To You Pat ---- A Truth Is Told - Pat D 12:24:23 05/20/09 (8)
        
        Sorry I Don't Believe You Try To Be Reasonably Gentle... - thetubeguy1954 10:52:07 05/22/09 (7)
        
        Well, it's hard to make any point with you, directly or indirectly. - Pat D 21:39:33 05/22/09 (6)
        
        Yes It Is With You Too Pat - thetubeguy1954 09:59:53 05/23/09 (5)
        
        RE: Yes It Is With You Too Pat - Pat D 13:33:38 05/23/09 (4)
        
        RE: Yes It Is With You Too Pat - thetubeguy1954 08:24:08 05/24/09 (3)
        
        More creative citations, Tom? - Pat D 18:06:57 05/24/09 (2)
        
        RE: More creative citations, Tom? - thetubeguy1954 15:20:35 05/25/09 (1)
        
        Do you see the difference between attacking persons and attacking posts/what is said? - Pat D 16:43:52 05/25/09 (0)
        
        "From this day forth let us communicate civilly & respectfully with each other." - Richard BassNut Greene 08:54:24 05/16/09 (0)
      - And honesty - not one of yours. - carcass93 07:36:22 05/05/09 (2)
        
        Now mind-reader carcass93 is divining the "spirit" of the posts! - Pat D 09:50:03 05/05/09 (1)
        
        I wouldn't mention "mind" in connection with that post,... - carcass93 10:09:02 05/05/09 (0)
      - You should expect.... - Don Till 07:24:10 05/05/09 (1)
        
        Yes, indeed! - Pat D 09:44:00 05/05/09 (0)
  - If he has to say it's honest, it probably isn't... - mkuller 12:13:10 05/04/09 (1)
    - Does that apply to Tom's question, too? (nt) - Pat D 12:47:53 05/04/09 (0)
- Your honesty is refreshing!...wait...it's not... and it's not really honesty. - carcass93 11:08:05 05/04/09 (0)
- A vague answer... - mkuller 10:36:01 05/04/09 (15)
  - Blind tests overstate actual differences - Richard BassNut Greene 10:53:58 05/04/09 (14)
    - "...what intelligent audiophile would want to do" - how would you know? - carcass93 12:47:45 05/04/09 (1)
      - You mean since he doesn't base his audiophile concepts on... - Don Till 18:00:03 05/04/09 (0)
    - I can't believe it but I guess so! - Don Till 12:11:34 05/04/09 (0)
    - No evidence? No credibility... - mkuller 10:56:19 05/04/09 (10)
      - SPL Matching Is Really A Non-Issue - thetubeguy1954 12:17:32 05/04/09 (9)
        
        Well, that's an 'honest' admission you don't level match! - Pat D 12:57:26 05/04/09 (8)
        
        Remind us why you care what somebody does or doesn't do. - carcass93 13:02:36 05/04/09 (7)
        
        It just means his 'test' results are not credible. - Pat D 13:45:08 05/04/09 (6)
        
        Please Explain Why These Test Results Are Not Credible! - thetubeguy1954 08:31:22 05/08/09 (1)
        
        RE: Please Explain Why These Test Results Are Not Credible! - Tony Lauck 10:39:28 05/08/09 (0)
        
        It shouldn't matter though he insists on attacking those who value credible tests - Don Till 15:43:35 05/04/09 (1)
        
        RE: It shouldn't matter though he insists on attacking those who value credible tests - Pat D 08:19:50 05/09/09 (0)
        
        You guys are just posting here to protect the innocent? (nt) - mkuller 14:06:47 05/04/09 (1)
        
        So who's going to protect the innocent from them?? (nt) - kerr 12:44:56 05/05/09 (0)
Specify your measurements! - Don Till 18:14:42 05/03/09 (0)
I see troubles innumerable - Atexanathome 13:24:51 05/03/09 (4)
- That's interesting... - bjh 17:36:26 05/03/09 (1)
  - I think so - Atexanathome 17:51:13 05/03/09 (0)
- RE: I see troubles innumerable - thetubeguy1954 15:16:20 05/03/09 (1)
  - I tried to explain in my post why it would be more difficult with speakers - Atexanathome 17:28:44 05/03/09 (0)
RE: An Honest Question. - rick_m 11:21:38 05/03/09 (0)

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