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Yet Another LFO With Blind Faith In Voodoo-Science Audio DBTs.

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thetubeguy1954

In Reply to: RE: yet another placebo effect review posted by porky_pig_jr on January 27, 2009 at 11:31:55

So porky if one installs a tweak and was immediately rewarded by either a "more defined soundstage", "improved PRAT", "blacker blacks", or whatever, without performing one of your approved LFO approved "Voodoo-Science" audio DBTs that means the product is automatically snake oil? Where's your proof of that? As a proponent of objective testing you must have some proof that supports your statement!

Are others supposed to accept your subjective opinion on this topic, without your providing the same type of proof you're requiring of others? Actually with *any* kind of audio blind testing, anything is possible & anything is permissible, because these DBTs are based on voodoo-science! Audio DBTs have never been proven to be anything more than that! They're the "blind-faith" LFO's choose to believe in.

Thetubeguy1954

Rational Subjectivism. It's An Acquired Taste!

Follow Ups:

No one knows that voodoo like you do - Richard BassNut Greene 08:04:32 02/05/09 (4)
- The One Trick Pony strikes again! - E-Stat 08:38:55 02/07/09 (2)
  - The One-Note Fool attacks again without reading the post - Richard BassNut Greene 07:43:19 02/09/09 (1)
    - We must be reading different posts! - E-Stat 08:50:47 02/09/09 (0)
- RE: No one knows that voodoo like you do - Pat D 08:11:40 02/05/09 (0)
More name calling Tom. DBT is the scientific method for determining the audiblilty of small differences. - Pat D 14:18:17 02/04/09 (81)
- It "does" work? - Analog Scott 19:30:53 02/07/09 (6)
  - RE: It "does" work? - Tony Lauck 07:09:43 02/08/09 (5)
    - You are right on all points - Analog Scott 07:58:15 02/08/09 (4)
      - Ping: Tony Lauck & Analog Scott - thetubeguy1954 09:48:41 02/08/09 (3)
        
        RE: Ping: Tony Lauck & Analog Scott - Tony Lauck 13:22:48 02/08/09 (0)
        
        RE: Ping: Tony Lauck & Analog Scott - Analog Scott 10:56:02 02/08/09 (1)
        
        Thanks Tony Lauck & Analog Scott - thetubeguy1954 11:03:12 02/09/09 (0)
- Another Unsubstantiated LFO Opinion Stated As A Fact - thetubeguy1954 17:13:57 02/04/09 (73)
  - RE: Another Unsubstantiated LFO Opinion Stated As A Fact - Kristian 15:31:28 02/05/09 (43)
    - Absolutely absurd assertion - Analog Scott 19:33:46 02/07/09 (4)
      - That's some pretty - Kristian 21:39:36 02/07/09 (3)
        
        RE: That's some pretty - Analog Scott 22:19:35 02/07/09 (2)
        
        Our "mature, thinking audiophile" friend is apparently too lazy to type "Over The Top", hence OTT. - carcass93 18:59:43 02/08/09 (0)
        
        Kris, Kris, Kris... - thetubeguy1954 04:58:40 02/08/09 (0)
    - Kristian, Like Pat D You're Using An Ad Hominem Based Arguments - thetubeguy1954 06:21:08 02/06/09 (35)
      - As expected, you're getting yourt terms all messed up; - Kristian 11:54:28 02/06/09 (32)
        
        RE: As expected, you're getting yourt terms all messed up; - thetubeguy1954 12:44:06 02/06/09 (31)
        
        Someone says one thing, you change it. - Pat D 21:27:38 02/08/09 (0)
        
        That Sure Shut Kristain Up, Huh? (nt) - thetubeguy1954 04:49:33 02/08/09 (0)
        
        Uhhh Tom . . . - Pat D 18:02:53 02/06/09 (28)
        
        Uhhh Pat Still NO PROOF &. . . - thetubeguy1954 05:19:19 02/07/09 (27)
        
        Context, context. - Pat D 06:18:30 02/07/09 (26)
        
        Ok Pat Try Again To Understand. - thetubeguy1954 11:44:25 02/07/09 (25)
        
        I gave you references to peer reviewed articles below, but you ignore them. - Pat D 16:51:25 02/07/09 (24)
        
        adding uncertainty = more certainty - mls-stl 08:40:03 02/08/09 (1)
        
        RE: adding uncertainty = more certainty - Pat D 09:52:16 02/08/09 (0)
        
        RE: I gave you references to peer reviewed articles below, but you ignore them. - thetubeguy1954 05:20:52 02/08/09 (21)
        
        I gave you what you asked for, but you still whine. - Pat D 09:46:54 02/08/09 (20)
        
        Dishonest To The End Pat - thetubeguy1954 10:03:00 02/08/09 (19)
        
        So now Tom denies scientific journals are scientific journals!! - Pat D 15:31:36 02/08/09 (18)
        
        I Don't Know That What You're Refering To Is Considered a Scientific Journal Pat! - thetubeguy1954 17:34:20 02/08/09 (17)
        
        RE: I Don't Know That What You're Refering To Is Considered a Scientific Journal Pat! - Pat D 21:44:01 02/08/09 (16)
        
        lets try to stick with the facts please - Analog Scott 22:25:10 02/08/09 (15)
        
        RE: lets try to stick with the facts please - Pat D 08:47:00 02/09/09 (14)
        
        RE: lets try to stick with the facts please - Analog Scott 18:58:32 02/09/09 (9)
        
        Why are you so interested in what I do at home? - Pat D 19:18:35 02/10/09 (8)
        
        Still No PROOF Dishonest Pat?. Chirp-Chirp-Chirp - thetubeguy1954 05:52:15 02/11/09 (0)
        
        Why should I answer any of your questions.... - Analog Scott 19:46:57 02/10/09 (6)
        
        So you don't like being asked the kind of questions you ask me! - Pat D 06:30:22 02/11/09 (5)
        
        You fail to understand my response. - Analog Scott 18:41:29 02/11/09 (4)
        
        You simply show you don't understand the issues. - Pat D 20:27:27 02/11/09 (3)
        
        Still can't bring yourself to answer those question can you? - Analog Scott 06:29:48 02/12/09 (2)
        
        Actually, I have. You just don't like the answers. - Pat D 07:06:55 02/13/09 (1)
        
        No Pat, actually you haven't. Reality bites don't it? - Analog Scott 18:40:13 02/13/09 (0)
        
        RE: lets try to stick with the facts please - thetubeguy1954 11:03:57 02/09/09 (3)
        
        I never promised you a rose garden. - Pat D 19:52:24 02/11/09 (2)
        
        "Analog Scott is perfectly capable of looking up any journal articles he pleases." - Analog Scott 06:41:47 02/12/09 (1)
        
        RE: "Analog Scott is perfectly capable of looking up any journal articles he pleases." - Pat D 14:32:40 02/13/09 (0)
      - My view on DBTs. What does it make me?? - Tony Lauck 08:26:13 02/06/09 (1)
        
        RE: My view on DBTs. What does it make me?? - thetubeguy1954 12:11:56 02/06/09 (0)
    - "mature, thinking audiophiles" - you don't mean yourself, do you? - carcass93 19:46:02 02/05/09 (1)
      - RE: "mature, thinking audiophiles" - you don't mean yourself, do you? - Kristian 21:55:09 02/05/09 (0)
  - You just confirmed once more that you don't accept scientific methodology - Pat D 22:25:44 02/04/09 (28)
    - Still NO PROOF Pat? Only Your Unsubstantiated "Faith-Based" Subjective Opinions on DBTs? - thetubeguy1954 05:23:27 02/05/09 (27)
      - What's faith based about differing results from sighted and controlled blind auditions? - Pat D 11:23:08 02/05/09 (26)
        
        Still NO PROOF Pat? Now Using You're Avoidence Technics? - thetubeguy1954 12:31:07 02/05/09 (25)
        
        Answer: faith is not involved in getting different results in sighted and blind auditions. - Pat D 12:45:56 02/05/09 (24)
        
        Still No PROOF Pat? - thetubeguy1954 06:47:15 02/06/09 (23)
        
        Well, controlled DBT is the scientific method for determining small audible differences. - Pat D 09:37:47 02/06/09 (22)
        
        Still No PROOF Pat That's Peer-Reviewed & Published Like I Asked For - thetubeguy1954 12:10:02 02/06/09 (16)
        
        Tom wants "proof" that an article in JAES is peer reviewed!!! - Pat D 18:00:06 02/06/09 (15)
        
        Boy, *that* shut him up, good! nt. - Kristian 11:59:52 02/07/09 (4)
        
        No, nothing shuts Tom up! - Pat D 16:04:04 02/08/09 (2)
        
        Or You Pat D aka Mr Dishonest - thetubeguy1954 11:05:23 02/09/09 (1)
        
        You're a self-fulfilling prophecy, Tom. (nt) - Pat D 09:47:24 02/10/09 (0)
        
        Did It Kristain? Maybe You Should Read Other Parts Of This Thread! - thetubeguy1954 04:23:50 02/08/09 (0)
        
        What physical limits? - Tony Lauck 21:36:49 02/06/09 (7)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Pat D 06:27:57 02/07/09 (6)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Tony Lauck 06:52:38 02/07/09 (5)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Pat D 10:48:06 02/07/09 (4)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Tony Lauck 13:12:13 02/07/09 (3)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Pat D 16:02:44 02/08/09 (2)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Tony Lauck 18:40:47 02/08/09 (1)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Pat D 20:40:12 02/08/09 (0)
        
        RE: Tom wants "proof" that an article in JAES is peer reviewed!!! - Tony Lauck 20:11:00 02/06/09 (1)
        
        RE: Tom wants "proof" that an article in JAES is peer reviewed!!! - Pat D 20:34:45 02/06/09 (0)
        
        " DBT is the recognized scientific methodology..." - clearly, you firmly believe that... - carcass93 11:56:07 02/06/09 (0)
        
        Problems with Authorities - Tony Lauck 10:36:12 02/06/09 (3)
        
        RE: Problems with Authorities - Pat D 11:56:13 02/06/09 (2)
        
        RE: Problems with Authorities - Tony Lauck 12:42:54 02/06/09 (1)
        
        I suspect that degree of deference to authorities is directly proportional to lack of experience. - bjh 14:23:58 02/06/09 (0)

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