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yet another placebo effect review

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I installed (insert your favorite snake oil) and was immediately rewarded by (choose from "more defined soundstage", "improved PRAT", "blacker blacks", or whatever).

Without *any* kind of a blind testing, anything is possible, anything is permissible.

http://www.tnt-audio.com/accessories/shakti_e.html (Open in New Window)

Follow Ups:

RE: yet another placebo effect review - andy19191 23:35:08 02/04/09 (43)
- RE: yet another placebo effect review - Pat D 06:23:33 02/07/09 (42)
  - RE: yet another placebo effect review - andy19191 08:31:35 02/07/09 (37)
    - audiophile defined - mls-stl 07:56:45 02/08/09 (36)
      - RE: audiophile defined - andy19191 00:02:29 02/09/09 (35)
        
        RE: audiophile defined - anthonyh 10:28:58 03/26/09 (0)
        
        Quotes from Arthur C. Clark - Tony Lauck 12:04:11 02/09/09 (2)
        
        RE: Quotes from Arthur C. Clark - andy19191 04:07:24 02/10/09 (1)
        
        RE: Quotes from Arthur C. Clark - Tony Lauck 07:27:34 02/10/09 (0)
        
        I'm an audiophile and proud of it. - rick_m 08:31:34 02/09/09 (30)
        
        RE: I'm an audiophile and proud of it. - andy19191 12:51:03 02/09/09 (29)
        
        "Audiophiles really do not understand how they are viewed by others." - E-Stat 18:24:17 02/09/09 (2)
        
        RE: "Audiophiles really do not understand how they are viewed by others." - andy19191 01:07:02 02/10/09 (1)
        
        Ever more articulate detail - E-Stat 05:56:02 02/10/09 (0)
        
        +1; Well deflected. nt. - Kristian 14:11:53 02/09/09 (0)
        
        RE: I'm an audiophile and proud of it. - Tony Lauck 14:10:46 02/09/09 (13)
        
        RE: I'm an audiophile and proud of it. - andy19191 01:10:38 02/10/09 (1)
        
        RE: I'm an audiophile and proud of it. - Tony Lauck 07:41:59 02/10/09 (0)
        
        Thanks to you and the others for helping illustrate the point - mls-stl 19:55:38 02/09/09 (0)
        
        RE: I'm an audiophile and proud of it. - Kristian 17:00:36 02/09/09 (9)
        
        RE: I'm an audiophile and proud of it. - rick_m 20:26:13 02/09/09 (3)
        
        RE: I'm an audiophile and proud of it. - Kristian 08:37:23 02/10/09 (1)
        
        RE: I'm an audiophile and proud of it. - rick_m 15:27:06 02/10/09 (0)
        
        RE: I'm an audiophile and proud of it. - thetubeguy1954 05:54:45 02/10/09 (0)
        
        The different types of engineering explained - andy_c 17:55:43 02/09/09 (1)
        
        RE: The different types of engineering explained - rick_m 20:32:04 02/09/09 (0)
        
        RE: I'm an audiophile and proud of it. - Tony Lauck 17:42:56 02/09/09 (2)
        
        Just provide the *professional* answer - E-Stat 06:02:17 02/10/09 (0)
        
        So, no rebuttal to the notion you're making stuff up? - Kristian 20:08:00 02/09/09 (0)
        
        RE: Audiophiles really do not understand how they are viewed by others. - rick_m 13:22:35 02/09/09 (10)
        
        RE: Audiophiles really do not understand how they are viewed by others. - andy19191 01:12:37 02/10/09 (9)
        
        RE: Knocking some sense into us... - rick_m 09:04:30 02/10/09 (7)
        
        RE: Knocking some sense into us... - andy19191 06:14:53 02/15/09 (6)
        
        RE: Knocking some sense into us... - rick_m 08:18:06 02/15/09 (5)
        
        RE: Knocking some sense into us... - andy19191 00:08:47 02/16/09 (4)
        
        "All audiophiles hold flat earth beliefs about audio. That is what makes them audiophiles." - robert young 08:54:52 02/16/09 (2)
        
        RE: "All audiophiles hold flat earth beliefs about audio. That is what makes them audiophiles." - andy19191 01:29:01 02/17/09 (1)
        
        Whatever you believe is true. - rick_m 08:26:05 02/17/09 (0)
        
        RE: Knocking some sense into us... - rick_m 08:37:59 02/16/09 (0)
        
        Speak for yourself - Tony Lauck 07:57:45 02/10/09 (0)
  - RE: yet another placebo effect review - bjh 06:58:22 02/07/09 (3)
    - RE: yet another placebo effect review - Pat D 10:45:29 02/07/09 (2)
      - RE: yet another placebo effect review - bjh 11:29:41 02/07/09 (1)
        
        RE: yet another placebo effect review - Pat D 11:32:50 02/07/09 (0)
Well, you know . . . - Pat D 22:47:56 02/04/09 (2)
- Thanks Pat D! - Don T 08:40:51 02/05/09 (1)
  - You're welcome! - Pat D 09:16:01 02/05/09 (0)
Those stones do have an effect... unfortunately in the system where I've experienced then the effect is negative. - bjh 16:48:06 02/04/09 (3)
- There's indisputable positive effect to the stones - they just don't have to be Shakti. - carcass93 18:46:10 02/04/09 (2)
  - enTRopy, Beavis, enTRopy. nt. - Kristian 15:07:31 02/05/09 (1)
    - In your case, Butthead, even stone wouldn't help - Shakti or otherwise. - carcass93 19:34:01 02/05/09 (0)
Yet Another LFO With Blind Faith In Voodoo-Science Audio DBTs. - thetubeguy1954 12:49:41 02/04/09 (87)
- No one knows that voodoo like you do - Richard BassNut Greene 08:04:32 02/05/09 (4)
  - The One Trick Pony strikes again! - E-Stat 08:38:55 02/07/09 (2)
    - The One-Note Fool attacks again without reading the post - Richard BassNut Greene 07:43:19 02/09/09 (1)
      - We must be reading different posts! - E-Stat 08:50:47 02/09/09 (0)
  - RE: No one knows that voodoo like you do - Pat D 08:11:40 02/05/09 (0)
- More name calling Tom. DBT is the scientific method for determining the audiblilty of small differences. - Pat D 14:18:17 02/04/09 (81)
  - It "does" work? - Analog Scott 19:30:53 02/07/09 (6)
    - RE: It "does" work? - Tony Lauck 07:09:43 02/08/09 (5)
      - You are right on all points - Analog Scott 07:58:15 02/08/09 (4)
        
        Ping: Tony Lauck & Analog Scott - thetubeguy1954 09:48:41 02/08/09 (3)
        
        RE: Ping: Tony Lauck & Analog Scott - Tony Lauck 13:22:48 02/08/09 (0)
        
        RE: Ping: Tony Lauck & Analog Scott - Analog Scott 10:56:02 02/08/09 (1)
        
        Thanks Tony Lauck & Analog Scott - thetubeguy1954 11:03:12 02/09/09 (0)
  - Another Unsubstantiated LFO Opinion Stated As A Fact - thetubeguy1954 17:13:57 02/04/09 (73)
    - RE: Another Unsubstantiated LFO Opinion Stated As A Fact - Kristian 15:31:28 02/05/09 (43)
      - Absolutely absurd assertion - Analog Scott 19:33:46 02/07/09 (4)
        
        That's some pretty - Kristian 21:39:36 02/07/09 (3)
        
        RE: That's some pretty - Analog Scott 22:19:35 02/07/09 (2)
        
        Our "mature, thinking audiophile" friend is apparently too lazy to type "Over The Top", hence OTT. - carcass93 18:59:43 02/08/09 (0)
        
        Kris, Kris, Kris... - thetubeguy1954 04:58:40 02/08/09 (0)
      - Kristian, Like Pat D You're Using An Ad Hominem Based Arguments - thetubeguy1954 06:21:08 02/06/09 (35)
        
        As expected, you're getting yourt terms all messed up; - Kristian 11:54:28 02/06/09 (32)
        
        RE: As expected, you're getting yourt terms all messed up; - thetubeguy1954 12:44:06 02/06/09 (31)
        
        Someone says one thing, you change it. - Pat D 21:27:38 02/08/09 (0)
        
        That Sure Shut Kristain Up, Huh? (nt) - thetubeguy1954 04:49:33 02/08/09 (0)
        
        Uhhh Tom . . . - Pat D 18:02:53 02/06/09 (28)
        
        Uhhh Pat Still NO PROOF &. . . - thetubeguy1954 05:19:19 02/07/09 (27)
        
        Context, context. - Pat D 06:18:30 02/07/09 (26)
        
        Ok Pat Try Again To Understand. - thetubeguy1954 11:44:25 02/07/09 (25)
        
        I gave you references to peer reviewed articles below, but you ignore them. - Pat D 16:51:25 02/07/09 (24)
        
        adding uncertainty = more certainty - mls-stl 08:40:03 02/08/09 (1)
        
        RE: adding uncertainty = more certainty - Pat D 09:52:16 02/08/09 (0)
        
        RE: I gave you references to peer reviewed articles below, but you ignore them. - thetubeguy1954 05:20:52 02/08/09 (21)
        
        I gave you what you asked for, but you still whine. - Pat D 09:46:54 02/08/09 (20)
        
        Dishonest To The End Pat - thetubeguy1954 10:03:00 02/08/09 (19)
        
        So now Tom denies scientific journals are scientific journals!! - Pat D 15:31:36 02/08/09 (18)
        
        I Don't Know That What You're Refering To Is Considered a Scientific Journal Pat! - thetubeguy1954 17:34:20 02/08/09 (17)
        
        RE: I Don't Know That What You're Refering To Is Considered a Scientific Journal Pat! - Pat D 21:44:01 02/08/09 (16)
        
        lets try to stick with the facts please - Analog Scott 22:25:10 02/08/09 (15)
        
        RE: lets try to stick with the facts please - Pat D 08:47:00 02/09/09 (14)
        
        RE: lets try to stick with the facts please - Analog Scott 18:58:32 02/09/09 (9)
        
        Why are you so interested in what I do at home? - Pat D 19:18:35 02/10/09 (8)
        
        Still No PROOF Dishonest Pat?. Chirp-Chirp-Chirp - thetubeguy1954 05:52:15 02/11/09 (0)
        
        Why should I answer any of your questions.... - Analog Scott 19:46:57 02/10/09 (6)
        
        So you don't like being asked the kind of questions you ask me! - Pat D 06:30:22 02/11/09 (5)
        
        You fail to understand my response. - Analog Scott 18:41:29 02/11/09 (4)
        
        You simply show you don't understand the issues. - Pat D 20:27:27 02/11/09 (3)
        
        Still can't bring yourself to answer those question can you? - Analog Scott 06:29:48 02/12/09 (2)
        
        Actually, I have. You just don't like the answers. - Pat D 07:06:55 02/13/09 (1)
        
        No Pat, actually you haven't. Reality bites don't it? - Analog Scott 18:40:13 02/13/09 (0)
        
        RE: lets try to stick with the facts please - thetubeguy1954 11:03:57 02/09/09 (3)
        
        I never promised you a rose garden. - Pat D 19:52:24 02/11/09 (2)
        
        "Analog Scott is perfectly capable of looking up any journal articles he pleases." - Analog Scott 06:41:47 02/12/09 (1)
        
        RE: "Analog Scott is perfectly capable of looking up any journal articles he pleases." - Pat D 14:32:40 02/13/09 (0)
        
        My view on DBTs. What does it make me?? - Tony Lauck 08:26:13 02/06/09 (1)
        
        RE: My view on DBTs. What does it make me?? - thetubeguy1954 12:11:56 02/06/09 (0)
      - "mature, thinking audiophiles" - you don't mean yourself, do you? - carcass93 19:46:02 02/05/09 (1)
        
        RE: "mature, thinking audiophiles" - you don't mean yourself, do you? - Kristian 21:55:09 02/05/09 (0)
    - You just confirmed once more that you don't accept scientific methodology - Pat D 22:25:44 02/04/09 (28)
      - Still NO PROOF Pat? Only Your Unsubstantiated "Faith-Based" Subjective Opinions on DBTs? - thetubeguy1954 05:23:27 02/05/09 (27)
        
        What's faith based about differing results from sighted and controlled blind auditions? - Pat D 11:23:08 02/05/09 (26)
        
        Still NO PROOF Pat? Now Using You're Avoidence Technics? - thetubeguy1954 12:31:07 02/05/09 (25)
        
        Answer: faith is not involved in getting different results in sighted and blind auditions. - Pat D 12:45:56 02/05/09 (24)
        
        Still No PROOF Pat? - thetubeguy1954 06:47:15 02/06/09 (23)
        
        Well, controlled DBT is the scientific method for determining small audible differences. - Pat D 09:37:47 02/06/09 (22)
        
        Still No PROOF Pat That's Peer-Reviewed & Published Like I Asked For - thetubeguy1954 12:10:02 02/06/09 (16)
        
        Tom wants "proof" that an article in JAES is peer reviewed!!! - Pat D 18:00:06 02/06/09 (15)
        
        Boy, *that* shut him up, good! nt. - Kristian 11:59:52 02/07/09 (4)
        
        No, nothing shuts Tom up! - Pat D 16:04:04 02/08/09 (2)
        
        Or You Pat D aka Mr Dishonest - thetubeguy1954 11:05:23 02/09/09 (1)
        
        You're a self-fulfilling prophecy, Tom. (nt) - Pat D 09:47:24 02/10/09 (0)
        
        Did It Kristain? Maybe You Should Read Other Parts Of This Thread! - thetubeguy1954 04:23:50 02/08/09 (0)
        
        What physical limits? - Tony Lauck 21:36:49 02/06/09 (7)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Pat D 06:27:57 02/07/09 (6)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Tony Lauck 06:52:38 02/07/09 (5)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Pat D 10:48:06 02/07/09 (4)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Tony Lauck 13:12:13 02/07/09 (3)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Pat D 16:02:44 02/08/09 (2)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Tony Lauck 18:40:47 02/08/09 (1)
        
        RE: What physical limits? - Pat D 20:40:12 02/08/09 (0)
        
        RE: Tom wants "proof" that an article in JAES is peer reviewed!!! - Tony Lauck 20:11:00 02/06/09 (1)
        
        RE: Tom wants "proof" that an article in JAES is peer reviewed!!! - Pat D 20:34:45 02/06/09 (0)
        
        " DBT is the recognized scientific methodology..." - clearly, you firmly believe that... - carcass93 11:56:07 02/06/09 (0)
        
        Problems with Authorities - Tony Lauck 10:36:12 02/06/09 (3)
        
        RE: Problems with Authorities - Pat D 11:56:13 02/06/09 (2)
        
        RE: Problems with Authorities - Tony Lauck 12:42:54 02/06/09 (1)
        
        I suspect that degree of deference to authorities is directly proportional to lack of experience. - bjh 14:23:58 02/06/09 (0)
LOL! Isolation Ward by way of Tweaks... - mkuller 21:58:25 01/28/09 (1)
- He shouldn't have to… - Wellfed 21:09:24 01/30/09 (0)
So, how did you choose your gear? Blind testing? Open label testing? - Enophile 12:46:39 01/28/09 (0)
PLEASE SEND TO ISOLATION WARD! - Paul_A 11:44:53 01/28/09 (0)
It's all a mystery to you. (nt) - Al Sekela 10:14:23 01/28/09 (0)
Did you actually listen to the DUT? - risabet 10:12:25 01/28/09 (0)
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, [...]". .. - Bhasi 09:48:20 01/28/09 (4)
- It is interesting. .. - unclestu52 11:44:55 01/29/09 (0)
- The key word in your query is "worthwhile" - Don T 10:32:01 01/28/09 (2)
  - In this context ... - Bhasi 10:50:54 01/28/09 (1)
    - Surely we can think of better ways to entertain ourselves than making thoughtless purchases - Don T 17:01:09 02/04/09 (0)
If I huff and puff I will blow your house down or at least think I have. nt - Norm 06:15:15 01/28/09 (0)
RE: yet another placebo effect review - Ozzy 02:09:25 01/28/09 (0)
What do you mean by snake oil? - Don T 20:05:13 01/27/09 (4)
- Or any review claiming no difference is heard is the result of selective perception. - Norm 06:12:26 01/28/09 (3)
  - RE: Or any review claiming no difference is heard is the result of selective perception. - Don T 08:56:58 01/28/09 (0)
  - I've never seen such a review of an audio product and I've been reading StereoPile since the 1960's! (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 08:46:54 01/28/09 (1)
    - You have selective perception - Norm 14:44:16 03/06/09 (0)
RE: yet another placebo effect review - suretyguy 17:00:06 01/27/09 (0)
I'm pretty sure you knew what Shakti stones are - why did you even bother with review,... - carcass93 14:46:55 01/27/09 (0)
Please don't advocate pseudoscience (blind tests) without understanding the issues ...(nt) - mkuller 12:07:15 01/27/09 (6)
- Blind tests trump your blind faith any day of the week (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 08:45:40 01/28/09 (5)
  - Blind tests are an article of faith also. The scientific method itself is an article of faith. - Norm 10:33:27 01/28/09 (2)
    - Unfortunately, blind audio tests are not scientific - where's the scientific validation??? (nt) - mkuller 10:42:31 01/28/09 (1)
      - There is none, which is very strange for a supposed science. nt - Norm 14:46:13 03/06/09 (0)
  - Blind Faith is one of my favorite albums...(nt) - mkuller 10:17:02 01/28/09 (1)
    - Me too - Richard BassNut Greene 08:10:22 02/05/09 (0)
RE: yet another placebo effect review - Tom Schuman 12:06:47 01/27/09 (0)
RE: yet another placebo effect review - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:54:40 01/27/09 (0)

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