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You win on "empirical" -- Subjectivists are empirical

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In Reply to: RE: Do they have even slightest idea what "empirical" means? posted by carcass93 on July 04, 2008 at 12:35:42

The definition taken in entirety unless otherwise noted from a real (not online) dictionary and the one considered most authoritative, The Compact Edition (small, not abridged)of the Oxford English Dictionary: Complete Text Reproduced Micrographically (Eighth printing).

"Empirical (Pronunciation and alternate spelling removed)
1. Med a. Of a physician: That bases his methods of practice on the results of observation and experiment, not on scientific theory. b. Of a remedy, a rule of treatment, etc: That is adopted because found (or believed) to have been successful in practice, the reason of its efficacy being unknown.
(Example phrases removed)
2. That practices physic or surgery without scientific knowledge: that is guilty of quackery. Also of medicines: That is of the nature of a quack nostrum.
(Example phrases removed)
3. In matters of arts or practice: That is guided by mere experience, without scientific knowledge; also of methods, expedients, etc. Often in opprobrious sense transf. from 2: Ignorantly presumptuous, resembling, or characteristic of, a charlatan.
(Example phrases removed.)"

What of "Empirically"?

"1. After the manner of an empiric or quack-doctor."

What of "Empiricism"?

"1. Med Practice founded upon experiment and observation; ignorant and unscientific practice; quackery."

It would appear that you are right: "Subjectivists" are empirical.

I don't understand why you insist on being constantly abusive, aggressive and derogatory of "objectivists" for here is an example where I'm pretty sure that most "objectivists" would whole-heartedly agree with you.

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Follow Ups:

Then why on earth - E-Stat 09:39:37 07/07/08 (0)

so you think subjectivists are MDs. - Analog Scott 21:00:22 07/04/08 (36)

I'd love to stick around... - jpvs 21:07:48 07/04/08 (35)

I'm taking my ball and going home. - Norm 07:52:17 07/05/08 (27)

Rather that I was going out to see the fireworks... - jpvs 09:58:06 07/05/08 (26)

Another dictionary--The American Heritage - Norm 11:43:37 07/05/08 (25)

RE: Another dictionary--The American Heritage - jpvs 11:04:11 07/06/08 (24)

Entomology may be a bugger but... - rick_m 16:27:12 07/06/08 (16)

RE: Entomology may be a bugger but... - jpvs 11:06:20 07/07/08 (13)

Anyone who says, "empirical evidence without theory is not science" talks science not practices it. - Norm 16:52:54 07/08/08 (5)

" We should constantly remind ourselves that a science without theory is a poor science" - jpvs 18:27:20 07/08/08 (4)

Hempel once said philosophy of science discussions are not for scientists. - Norm 18:38:36 07/08/08 (3)

RE: Hempel once said philosophy of science discussions are not for scientists. - Andy.G 00:04:07 07/09/08 (2)

Electronics too... - rick_m 07:10:27 07/09/08 (0)

I once sat on doctoral exam in civil engineering - Norm 06:08:30 07/09/08 (0)

Wow! And I knew better... - rick_m 20:21:20 07/07/08 (2)

RE: Wow! And I knew better... - jpvs 18:54:23 07/08/08 (1)

On accuracy of observations... - rick_m 23:55:18 07/08/08 (0)

yawn - Analog Scott 12:27:59 07/07/08 (3)

Should I start dumbing down my posts for you? - jpvs 12:34:44 07/07/08 (2)

can you actually dumb them down any more? - Analog Scott 13:15:53 07/07/08 (0)

No. I am finding the discussion quite good as is. - Ugly 13:07:49 07/07/08 (0)

And truth is beauty, and beauty truth. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:55:56 07/07/08 (0)

Well said. You say, empiricism is life. I would add that science is based on it. - Norm 06:12:04 07/07/08 (0)

dude you are writing novels about which dictionary is better.... - Analog Scott 13:23:29 07/06/08 (6)

RE: ...get a life??? - mls-stl 16:25:41 07/06/08 (5)

Maybe jpvs can do something that is much more exciting and requires technical knowledge. Like putting makeup on (nt) - AJinFLA 18:12:53 07/06/08 (4)

Let him be - jpvs 12:44:20 07/07/08 (2)

RE: Let him be - AJinFLA 03:38:18 07/09/08 (0)

OK I take it back - Analog Scott 13:17:49 07/07/08 (0)

That doesn't even make sense - Analog Scott 08:28:12 07/07/08 (0)

RE: I'd love to stick around... - Analog Scott 21:22:41 07/04/08 (6)

RE: I'd love to stick around... - jpvs 10:23:28 07/05/08 (5)

RE: I'd love to stick around... - Analog Scott 11:11:34 07/05/08 (4)

RE: I'd love to stick around... - jpvs 11:29:05 07/06/08 (2)

Your boy AJ exposed his shortcomings again (above) - apparently, can't distinguish between public forum ... - carcass93 19:16:54 07/06/08 (0)

dude, you are taking this WAAAAAAYYYYYY too seriously - Analog Scott 13:22:20 07/06/08 (0)

Bingo! For those who watch NHL - for every Sean Avery on one team, there's Jarkko Ruutu on another. N/T - carcass93 12:52:17 07/05/08 (0)

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