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In Reply to: RE: Not Really posted by thetubeguy1954 on June 06, 2007 at 10:51:39
It seems we disagree. And that's fine.
> So just because YOU haven't seen the evidence that means it doesn't exist? Talk with some speaker
> manufacturers, they'll tell you and perhaps even provide you with some measurements.
You said earlier there were measurable and scientific facts. I still haven't seen any. The comments you posted from a few manufacturers contained no measurements or anything that could be independently checked.
I'm not quite sure why I'm supposed to run down your evidence. If you take a look at the top of this particular thread, you'll note that you started it, not me. In the world of science that would mean your side would be posting something like "at 50 hours we noted a 10% change in the driver's widgit factor." At that point, someone could run their tests and say "we found that, too" or "excuse me, you failed to control for the sprocket variable...."
We're still at the point where the psychological aspects of a long break-in are as strong a contender as anything that has actually been posted. I understand that a person's state of mind is one of the biggest variables in listening. Come home tired and inattentive with your mind still on the day's work and your stereo is going to sound different than when you walk in all pumped up and ready to hear a new recording you've been anxious to get your hands on. In short, I accept my subjective judgment for what it is and don't elevate it to supremacy nor dismiss it as non-existent.
You can't treat "expectation bias" as a simplistic "hearing what you're told to hear" response. Humans don't react consistently and I don't think anyone has mapped out all the variables that impact us. Psychologists, advertisers, marketers, and others go to great lengths to try and influence us in many areas of our life. I don't think we cease to have human responses when the subject switches to audio.
So, we're back to the point that you and I disagree. You like 100 hour speaker break-ins and I think those things are pretty easily taken care of well within the first hour. The future of civilization as we know it is not dependent on our settling this thorny issue. I wish many other issues in the world could be like this - come to a conclusion of irreconcilable difference and have the adverse implications at level zero.
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