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Sorry But You're Wrong...

Hello Klaus.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree 100% with you're opinion: "Sorry, but that's rubbish." to my statement that's today's measurements do NOT correlate with what we hear. Fact is if I'm stating what they said correctly and Pat D, PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong. but even Real JJ & Pat D admitted that any RATIONAL objectivist would agree with the statement that's today's measurements do NOT correlate with what we hear. As you said Klaus first we have to define what this is all about. But you made a great blunder after that. You seem to feel that best sound and most accurate reproduction are two different things and they aren't! "IF" replicating live unamplified music is the primary goal (and it should be. Because if you can replicate that correctly than you can replicate anything else correctly.) then what sounds best IS the most accurate replication of the music.

Where the real problem lies is in defining what is and what isn't accurate. You choose to use a microphone's signal output of an unamplified live acoustic event as your reference standard. Then you compare that signal against the output of an amplifier. The amplifier that replicates that signal the closest is the most accurate in your opinion. This is how you define accuracy. I on the other hand choose to use the human ear/brain's deteremination as a refernce standard. Then I compare that determination against the output of an amplifier. The amplifier that replicates the closest to that determination is the most accurate in my opinion. This is how I define accuracy. The problem as I see it is you want to accept an electronic device's output (a microphone's signal) which cannot determine live music from recorded music as a reference standard. Whereas I want to accept the human ear/brain which can determine instantly live music from recorded music as a reference standard. Sorry Klaus but I believe the human ear/brain is significantly more accurate and reliable in this case.

As you freely admitted Klaus no measurement will tell you which component sounds better. But it's my opinion that the component that "sounds" better IS the most accurate, provided we're using live unamplified music as the reference standard! Measurements will tell ONLY you which component tracks the output of a microphone more accurately. It will NOT tell you which component sounds the closest to the original unamplified live acoustic event itself. The moment electronic touch live music they begin to strip away some of the traits that makes live music sound like live music. Proof of that is quite easy to find. All one needs to do is record a live musical event. Now play that recording through same speakers and record that event. Continue doing that i.e., live musical event equals #1. The recording of that equals #2. The recording of #2 equals #3 and continue till you have #10. Now compare #10 with #1. Yet you want to trust the output of theseelectronics over what the human ear/brain determines sounds the most like #1? Not me!

I agree it's true that Hifi is about accuracy of reproduction and it's here where opinions diverge. The reason the opinions diverge is easy to explain. Some like yourself prefer to take a microphone which cannot tell live music from recorded music, and use it's output as your reference standard to test an amplifiers accuracy of the replication the original acoustic event. Others like myself use the human ear/brain which NEVER mistakes live music for recorded music, and use it's determination as a reference standard to test an amplifiers accuracy of replication the original acoustic event.

Klaus anytime you wish to setup up a test anywhere near Orlando Fla. We can attempt to record a solo instrument in an anechoic environment and play this recording at home over one speaker I believe I'll be able to differentiate the recording from live each and everytime! You of course are free to disagree...

Thetubeguy1954

"If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part." Richard Feynman theoretical physicist, 1918-1988

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