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Thetubeguy1954 does not deny he has misquoted me, misunderstood me, reasoned illogically, used strawman arguments, etc.

Thetubeguy1954 does not deny he has misquoted me, misunderstood me, engaged in patently illogical reasoning, used strawman arguments, etc. Also, he fails to document allegations 1-10 and a)-d).

I have never in my life been subjected to such a continuing, systematic, vile and vicious campaign of innuendo and false and misleading statements as thetubeguy1954 has been carrying out. Not even mkuller, bjh, E-stat, or Analog Scott have done anything quite like that. Well, the only way to meet this sort of thing is head on.

First of all, we shall find out that, without providing any documentation, thetubeguy1954 says I have claimed he has done certain things which he does not even deny doing. Very strange.

Second, he throws out a bunch of scattershot allegations but makes no attempt whatever to document and prove most all of them.

Thirdly, when it gets down to document actual examples, he really only comes up with two attempts, that’s right, *two,* and fails miserably to meet his burden of proof, since his arguments involve ignoring the rules of grammar and logic.

Fourth, the allegations he makes against me have nothing to do with audio.
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THETUBEGUY1954
“Some of your many, many dirty tactics include:

1) Claim he's being misquoted
2) Claim he's being quoted out of context
3) Claim he's misunderstood
4) Claim he's being attacked, deceived or tricked etc
5) Claim his opponent doesn't think logically”
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COMMENTS
In the first place, thetubeguy1954 does not bother to document these allegations, and actually, one can see why. He might actually have done them!

Second, he does not even bother deny he has misquoted me, quoted me out of context, misunderstood my text, attacked me, deceived me, or tricked me, engaged in patently illogical reasoning, or used strawman arguments (see below for straw men). Tubeguy just dismisses them as “dirty tricks.”

He has not shown that I have done any these things incorrectly. Well, he's made the allegations, so he has the burden of proof to establish them.

As it happens, I don’t recall saying that tubeguy has misquoted me, a point to which I shall return later.

The failure to document his allegations is a common theme. Here are some more he makes no attempt to document:
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THETUBEGUY1954
“7) Switch the actual topic to what he wants to debate”
“8) Blame others of doing the things he does”
“9) Make untrue claims like he's already proven that, when he hasn't”
10)Ignore the questions he's asked

COMMENTS

These are quite vague allegations and they are not documented, either. So, again, tubeguy has failed to meet the burden of proof. But this is no surprise.

As I mentioned, I don’t recall saying that tubeguy has misquoted me. It may well be that he has misquoted me, though I have no recollection that he has, and he supplies no documentation. So, without documentation, his remarks below are lack any foundation:
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THETUBEGUY1954
“(Pat's logic is if you didn't quote him word-for-word he didn't say what you wrote! But if you do quote him word-for-word he'll claim either 1, 2, 3 or 4 above. Either way Pat has a way out.)”
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COMMENTS

Since he hasn’t shown that I have claimed he misquoted me, his remarks are moot. And I reiterate, he has not denied that he has misquoted me!

Nota Bene: BUT TUBEGUY HAS MISQUOTED *HIMSELF*!!!!

I have, however, pointed out that tubeguy has misquoted *himself* so as to try to change the meaning of what he said to put himself in a more favorable light. Here for example:

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/27016.html

But I am not surprised that tubeguy would confuse turn that into an accusation he has misquoted me!

UNDOCUMENTED ALLEGATIONS AS TO METHODS

Now the following are quite undocumented allegations as to my methods. You will note that tubey alleges that Pat D “will usually follow” some things, as if he had made a systematic study. He provides no documentation as to the alleged methods, and so of course, he has not proved that they have been wrongly applied.
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THETUBEGUY1954
“Pat will usually follow one of four basic methods operation (or some combination of them):

a) Blame others, Claim being misunderstood, deceived or tricked if unable to outright deny something & then switch the topic.

b) Place his attributes on his opponents, start whining and claiming he's either being quoted out of context, misquoted, misunderstood or attacked and then switch from the actual topic being discussed.

c) Just ignore what his opponent said and either 1) insults them, 2) ask a question that's already been answered, while claiming it's never been answered and then 3) switch from the actual topic being discussed.

d) Claim the opponents can't think logically and start blaming them of creating strawman arguements or claim they've proven nothing and then switch from the actual topic being discussed. “
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COMMENT
Again, tubeguy has made a number of confused, scattershot allegations with no documentation provided. Hence, he provides no cases to discuss. And of course, as with the other allegations, they have nothing to do with audio.

ALLEGED CASES

Tubeguy has often accused me of lying, but then he has often accused people of lying, mostly not even attempting to prove his allegations. A search reveals he has done so over 60 times since June 2006:

http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/search.mpl?searchtext=liar+lying&b=OR&topic=&topics_only=N&author=thetubeguy1954&date1=&date2=&slowmessage=&sort=score&sortOrder=DESC&forum=prophead

Now, tubeguy has tried show that I have lied twice but fails signally to prove his allegations.

1) He has alleged that I have said something but then turned around and denied saying it. Unfortunately, the quotations he has come up with do not contradict each other. So tubeguy fails miserably to establish that I have contradicted myself or denied what I have said in these passages. In order to prove his case, he even resorted to misquoting himself!

http://www.audioasylum.com/scripts/t.pl?f=prophead&m=27008

2) Now, he also tried to say that I lied about him auditioning the Paradigm S2 speakers.

But either by caution or the grace of God I did not fall into the trap of making a false accusation. He was talking about lying and I asked a question as to whether the following would be an example:

“You mean like pretending to be familiar with my speakers when you are not?”

“http://www.audioasylum.com/scripts/t.pl?f=prophead&m=22727

He jumped on this immediately, and breaking the rules of grammar and logic, charged that I was lying. But a question is not a lie.

Now, in order for me to lie it would have been necessary for me have believed at the time that he had auditioned them. It is quite clear that I doubts as to whether he had heard the Paradigm Signature S2 or not as up to then he intentionally had betrayed zilch knowledge of them, but instead of accusing him, I asked a question so that he would have the opportunity of explaining what he meant, which he did. He was evidently so enraged that he could not actually get me to make a false statement (much less a lie), that he immediately launched into vehement protestations that I had lied (even though I in fact had asked a question).

In order to support his allegation he had to consider a question to be an accusation, thus breaking the rules of grammar and logic. But since I did not believe him at that point, so even had I made such an accusation, I could not have been lying about it: but tubeguy seems to think that not believing him is a lie.

So, again, tubeguy has utterly failed his burden of proof.

Now, I said above that tubeguy has engaged in a systematic series of vicious attacks on me. Here are URLs for a number of posts almost identical to the post above:

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/26715.html
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/26624.html
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/26736.html
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/26634.html
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/26724.html
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/26601.html
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/26631.html
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/26778.html

As well, tubeguy has alleged that people have lied over 60 times since June 2006. His posts prior to that seem to have disappeared for some reason—one can only speculate why.

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/26715.html

For the most part, he made no attempt whatever to prove these allegations.

So, it is quite clear that thetubeguy1954 has carried out a continuing, systematic, vile and vicious campaign of innuendo and false and misleading statements against me.

So, tubebuy:

1) Please document your allegations 1-10 and a-d.

2) Then show in each case that I was wrong to do what you allege.


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"Nature loves to hide."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)

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