When are we going to sit down and discuss the subject rationally ? - clifff

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Topic - "Only 1% Jim"? - (A reply to a posting by Jim Austin.) - May Belt 05:09:54 03/11/07 (145)

May, you are a nutty gal!! Psych 101 got nothin' on you! - morricab 09:48:25 03/13/07 (8)

You know, the placebo effect IS fascinating... - Wellfed 12:50:58 03/13/07 (3)

Re: You know, the placebo effect IS fascinating... - morricab 15:20:24 03/13/07 (2)

I am talking about degree of applicability... - Wellfed 16:55:58 03/13/07 (1)

Re: I am talking about degree of applicability... - morricab 02:54:09 03/14/07 (0)

Your condescension is duly noted. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:04:17 03/13/07 (3)

Great!!! I was afraid you weren't clever enough to catch it. LOL!! - morricab 15:18:27 03/13/07 (2)

Your condescension -- is it incurable? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:20:24 03/14/07 (1)

Clever boy, now run along cure us all of our tuo fo esahp soerets - morricab 10:11:52 03/14/07 (0)

It makes a lot more sense for these Intelligent Chip users to place them on their own heads (nt) - AJinFLA 15:05:48 03/12/07 (0)

Is "what we perceive MUST be real"? e.g. tube vs SS? - cheap-Jack 12:40:51 03/12/07 (6)

There is a measrable difference. e.g. tube vs SS - Tweekeng 20:20:26 03/12/07 (3)

Ah! Russ Hamm to the podium. Perhaps the last real paper published in JAES, where... - clarkjohnsen 12:06:34 03/13/07 (2)

Be nice! Let me respond to it. (nt) - cheap-Jack 12:22:13 03/13/07 (1)

Huh? nt - clarkjohnsen 12:45:59 03/13/07 (0)

Re: Is "what we perceive MUST be real"? e.g. tube vs SS? - morricab 16:52:13 03/12/07 (0)

Re: Is "what we perceive MUST be real"? e.g. tube vs SS? - tomservo 15:06:36 03/12/07 (0)

Re: "it sounds as if I'm finding more and more detail" - KlausR. 04:49:20 03/12/07 (42)

The "rigid, blinkered approach" is your prerogitive obviously... - Wellfed 12:34:07 03/12/07 (35)

Re: The "rigid, blinkered approach" is your prerogitive obviously... - KlausR. 09:18:16 03/13/07 (12)

I have no problem whatsoever with scepticism... - Wellfed 11:01:58 03/13/07 (11)

Bonello and Schroeder - KlausR. 01:11:07 03/15/07 (9)

Thanks for the info Klaus... - Wellfed 07:39:56 03/15/07 (8)

Re: Meaningful comparison - KlausR. 01:02:53 03/16/07 (7)

In any event... - Wellfed 14:51:45 03/16/07 (6)

Re: In any event... - KlausR. 05:45:43 03/17/07 (5)

I'd really love to hear your setup one day. [nt] - Wellfed 11:00:07 03/17/07 (4)

You're welcome any time - KlausR. 02:30:20 03/18/07 (3)

I'm a firm believer in... - Wellfed 06:26:31 03/18/07 (2)

Don't wait too long or... - KlausR. 11:17:18 03/18/07 (1)

I haven't been to the Netherlands since '85... - Wellfed 11:54:31 03/18/07 (0)

What exactly is "enough 'evidence' for me to investigate a given product"? That's easy! - clarkjohnsen 12:16:40 03/13/07 (0)

Extraordinary talk from the Chickenhawk (nt) - AJinFLA 15:19:45 03/12/07 (0)

"improved system performance to an EXTRAORDINARY level." - clifff 13:36:10 03/12/07 (20)

What did you see after having read the whole saga?... - Wellfed 18:10:10 03/12/07 (19)

I'll speak for myself, Pat. - clifff 07:48:31 03/13/07 (16)

Re: I'll speak for myself, Pat. - Ken Perkins 10:26:47 03/13/07 (13)

What were the JREF rules I was unwilling to abide by?... - Wellfed 11:41:03 03/13/07 (5)

Simple - Ken Perkins 13:21:30 03/13/07 (3)

That is simple... - Wellfed 13:34:10 03/13/07 (2)

Re: That is simple... - Ken Perkins 13:51:10 03/13/07 (1)

The test didn't fall apart because Kramer was unwilling or unable to negotiate in good faith?... - Wellfed 14:50:43 03/13/07 (0)

That's a pretty fair summary, from my watchful POV. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:10:21 03/13/07 (0)

A good summary - clifff 10:42:09 03/13/07 (6)

Plenty more, actually... - Wellfed 11:12:57 03/13/07 (5)

Wellfed, by the time this "lie" was uttered - clifff 11:34:26 03/13/07 (4)

My ego is secure Cliff... - Wellfed 12:13:45 03/13/07 (3)

It must be comforting to feel so righteous. nt - clifff 13:08:20 03/13/07 (1)

It is comforting to BE so righteous... - Wellfed 13:29:48 03/13/07 (0)

"Kramer's call for me to have my back to the system." Might just as well... - clarkjohnsen 12:39:54 03/13/07 (0)

"Now" I seem hung up that Kramer lied to me?... - Wellfed 09:36:17 03/13/07 (1)

"the JREF Challenge is a hoax perpetrated on humanity." Indeed so, and documentation of that exists... - clarkjohnsen 12:37:21 03/13/07 (0)

Re: What did you see after having read the whole saga?... - Pat D 06:40:25 03/13/07 (1)

Are you truly willing to listen? [nt] - Wellfed 09:13:45 03/13/07 (0)

Klaus, What I find fascinating... - Jim Austin 10:59:13 03/12/07 (4)

We would not be here today had our senses not developed to allow us to perceive threats. - Norm 06:32:34 03/13/07 (0)

Re: whatever we perceive must be real - KlausR. 03:08:43 03/13/07 (0)

Think about the context of discovery - Lambda 12:02:16 03/12/07 (1)

This is what we should go after..."unobservable forces" ! - cheap-Jack 13:21:34 03/12/07 (0)

Re: "it sounds as if I'm finding more and more detail" - john curl 09:25:45 03/12/07 (0)

Sam Tellig tried the Intelligent Chip and didn't hear a thing - Lambda 12:23:46 03/11/07 (71)

Explanation: (1) His system lacks resolution (2) Did not allow enough burn-in (3) He's deaf (4) Insert...(nt) - AJinFLA 09:20:12 03/12/07 (1)

Re: Explanation: (1) His system lacks resolution (2) Did not allow enough burn-in (3) He's deaf (4) Insert...(nt) - Dan Banquer 10:23:18 03/12/07 (0)

Re: Sam Tellig tried the Intelligent Chip and didn't hear a thing - May Belt 15:44:32 03/11/07 (1)

You should mention it on your website (nt) - Lambda 18:54:47 03/11/07 (0)

Re: Sam Tellig tried the Intelligent Chip and didn't hear a thing - john curl 14:41:27 03/11/07 (2)

Re: Sam Tellig tried the Intelligent Chip and didn't hear a thing - john curl 16:10:21 03/11/07 (0)

It depends. - Jim Austin 14:59:55 03/11/07 (0)

For what it's worth... - Jim Austin 12:38:57 03/11/07 (63)

Re: For what it's worth... - May Belt 04:17:11 03/12/07 (25)

A very simple question - Jim Austin 11:01:48 03/12/07 (24)

ambiguity in the word "real" - tunenut 17:17:46 03/13/07 (10)

Re: ambiguity in the word "real" - Jim Austin 17:55:51 03/13/07 (9)

Re: ambiguity in the word "real" - May Belt 10:18:40 03/14/07 (8)

I believe you have taken the first step in science - tunenut 17:46:29 03/14/07 (0)

It's simpler than that. - Jim Austin 12:01:27 03/14/07 (6)

Re: It's simpler than that. - Posy Rorer 18:13:33 03/19/07 (3)

Re: It's simpler than that. - john curl 00:23:28 03/20/07 (0)

Re: It's simpler than that. - Jim Austin 20:17:23 03/19/07 (1)

Re: It's simpler than that. - Posy Rorer 00:36:45 03/21/07 (0)

Re: It's simpler than that. - May Belt 14:06:11 03/14/07 (1)

Thanks May - Jim Austin 15:11:01 03/14/07 (0)

Re: A very simple question - May Belt 16:22:22 03/12/07 (12)

"Klaus comes over as believing that Peter and I are so shallow and so stupid." Relax, May, he thinks that of... - clarkjohnsen 12:35:39 03/13/07 (1)

No, Clark - Jim Austin 16:01:05 03/13/07 (0)

Re: A very simple question - Jim Austin 06:05:46 03/13/07 (9)

Re: A very simple question - May Belt 16:10:59 03/13/07 (8)

Overdetection of differences - Pat D 07:48:27 03/14/07 (0)

Re: A very simple question - tigweld 21:31:39 03/13/07 (3)

The Belt theory puts forth... - Wellfed 23:43:17 03/13/07 (2)

Re: The Belt theory puts forth... - tigweld 08:01:35 03/14/07 (1)

Who's to know?... - Wellfed 09:27:35 03/14/07 (0)

I understand it beter now - Jim Austin 16:27:44 03/13/07 (2)

Re: I understand it beter now - May Belt 11:30:44 03/14/07 (0)

BTW - Jim Austin 16:29:50 03/13/07 (0)

Re: For what it's worth... - May Belt 15:42:39 03/11/07 (13)

Relax, May. It's "THAT experience" that they always must fall back on. Not likely to change. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:20:00 03/12/07 (0)

Re: For what it's worth... - john curl 16:15:21 03/11/07 (3)

Re: For what it's worth... - May Belt 04:18:48 03/12/07 (0)

What were some of her tweaks... - Wellfed 16:27:52 03/11/07 (1)

Re: What were some of her tweaks... - john curl 16:31:07 03/11/07 (0)

When are we going to sit down and discuss the subject rationally ? - clifff 16:11:44 03/11/07 (7)

You mean with a psychiatrist? Never. (nt) - AJinFLA 15:09:48 03/12/07 (0)

Re: When are we going to sit down and discuss the subject rationally ? - andy19191 04:51:27 03/12/07 (5)

Regarding audio, I'll take experience over explanation any day of the week... - Wellfed 23:49:26 03/12/07 (4)

Re: Regarding audio, I'll take experience over explanation any day of the week... - andy19191 00:27:24 03/13/07 (3)

What is the objective domain?... - Wellfed 09:12:08 03/13/07 (2)

Scientific method, testing and peer review. - clifff 11:09:56 03/13/07 (1)

So why don't those fellows fulfill their mission statement? [nt] - Wellfed 11:42:43 03/13/07 (0)

Re: For what it's worth... - john curl 14:44:49 03/11/07 (22)

So, first you criticize me for NOT listening... - Jim Austin 14:58:17 03/11/07 (21)

Re: So, first you criticize me for NOT listening... - john curl 16:17:02 03/11/07 (20)

JREF owes you a $million JC. Don't be a chickenhawk like Wellfed and go collect it. - AJinFLA 17:30:57 03/11/07 (19)

Re: JREF owes you a $million JC. Don't be a chickenhawk like Wellfed and go collect it. - john curl 18:05:25 03/11/07 (18)

Trap? I find your lack of faith disturbing. - AJinFLA 18:36:46 03/11/07 (17)

The JREF Challenge is not real... - Wellfed 22:10:48 03/11/07 (16)

Not in Wonderland, no. Nothing is. Cluck cluck cluck...(nt) - AJinFLA 15:17:33 03/12/07 (0)

You and I both learned something - kerr 09:26:19 03/12/07 (8)

Game being the key word here... - Wellfed 09:27:58 03/12/07 (7)

"but I would definitely like to avoid any notoriety at least until after this event." Too late :-) - AJinFLA 17:00:44 03/12/07 (3)

I realize putting these bits in their proper context is too much for you... - Wellfed 17:19:21 03/12/07 (2)

Yes, of course Kramer, etc. is to blame, not your fear of having the delusional bubble burst for all to see - AJinFLA 19:44:35 03/12/07 (1)

Why would Kramer lie?... - Wellfed 20:35:22 03/12/07 (0)

If you were to re-apply... - kerr 09:36:19 03/12/07 (2)

I'd prefer the billing to be... - Wellfed 10:37:46 03/12/07 (1)

Well, you know what they say - kerr 13:07:49 03/12/07 (0)

Conspiracy ? - Lambda 07:39:14 03/12/07 (4)

I think the parsimonius answer... - Wellfed 10:29:43 03/12/07 (3)

Most of us still love ya Michael. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:11:50 03/12/07 (2)

If you love truth... - Wellfed 11:56:43 03/12/07 (1)

You forgot to capitalize your T waffleguy (nt) - AJinFLA 15:23:37 03/12/07 (0)

Cluck, cluck, cluck - AJinFLA 03:30:57 03/12/07 (0)

Re: Pleasantville - geoffkait 11:44:53 03/11/07 (5)

aka Strawmanville - tunenut 13:17:58 03/11/07 (3)

Or Jonestown, without the Kool-Aid (nt) - Dave Pogue 14:48:15 03/11/07 (2)

go ahead, have some kool-aid - tunenut 10:37:25 03/12/07 (0)

PING soulfood... - Wellfed 16:30:44 03/11/07 (0)

And in Flatland everybody is a polygon of fixed size. Then one day... - clarkjohnsen 12:06:26 03/11/07 (0)

In short: "Don't knock it if you haven't tried it." Or, "Shut up 'n play yer guitar." nt - clarkjohnsen 10:55:07 03/11/07 (0)

Re: "Only 1%" - tomservo 10:27:21 03/11/07 (1)

Re: "Only 1%" - rick_m 11:29:27 03/12/07 (0)

Heard any "real" ghosts lately? They must be real if you/many hear them...right? (nt) - AJinFLA 10:11:45 03/11/07 (0)

Maybe 0.1% - Jim Austin 09:09:27 03/11/07 (1)

Re: Maybe 0.1% - May Belt 16:20:18 03/11/07 (0)

You sound a bit like one of those nutty "objectivists." - Analog Scott 07:16:07 03/11/07 (0)

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When are we going to sit down and discuss the subject rationally ? - clifff 16:11:44 03/11/07 (7)

You mean with a psychiatrist? Never. (nt) - AJinFLA 15:09:48 03/12/07 (0)

Re: When are we going to sit down and discuss the subject rationally ? - andy19191 04:51:27 03/12/07 (5)

Regarding audio, I'll take experience over explanation any day of the week... - Wellfed 23:49:26 03/12/07 (4)

Re: Regarding audio, I'll take experience over explanation any day of the week... - andy19191 00:27:24 03/13/07 (3)

What is the objective domain?... - Wellfed 09:12:08 03/13/07 (2)

Scientific method, testing and peer review. - clifff 11:09:56 03/13/07 (1)

So why don't those fellows fulfill their mission statement? [nt] - Wellfed 11:42:43 03/13/07 (0)