In 40 years as an audiophile I've never heard a subjectivist say "I can't hear a difference between these two components - Richard BassNut Greene

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Topic - Anyone Seen This Post? - thetubeguy1954 13:22:46 10/16/06 (210)

Since when are tweaks necessary for great recording? - Atexanathome 16:54:31 10/23/06 (0)

No it's not asinine but your post does fit that bill. So now you know! - Don T 21:36:12 10/19/06 (0)

Everything in audio makes a difference - Russ57 05:09:42 10/19/06 (9)

Re: Everything in audio makes a difference - hitsware 19:18:29 10/19/06 (0)

Re: Everything in audio makes a difference - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 17:57:34 10/19/06 (7)

Not Everything in audio makes a difference - Dan Banquer 13:22:57 10/21/06 (0)

Re: typo - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 18:00:01 10/19/06 (5)

Re: typo - john curl 19:27:59 10/19/06 (4)

And just like my palate is never touchy about what wine gets poured down it, so long as it's 12-14% business. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:50:17 10/23/06 (0)

Re: typo - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 19:54:13 10/19/06 (2)

No they don't ! Perfect objects of pride for a perfect world - Jacques 03:05:03 10/20/06 (0)

Yep, that's true - unclestu52 20:57:45 10/19/06 (0)

Re: Anyone Seen This Post? - andy19191 01:31:45 10/19/06 (0)

"Why if these high profit margin audio products work as claimed.. - AJinFLA 17:04:46 10/19/06 (7)

Funny. - Dave Pogue 17:33:34 10/19/06 (6)

You bet (nt) - AJinFLA 18:31:01 10/19/06 (1)

Your agreement is noted - Dave Pogue 18:40:06 10/19/06 (0)

Funny? - Dan Banquer 17:57:10 10/19/06 (3)

Re: Funny? - Dave Pogue 18:21:28 10/19/06 (2)

Wire Directionality? - Dan Banquer 04:25:25 10/20/06 (1)

Really? - Dave Pogue 04:39:32 10/20/06 (0)

Snake Oil being sold by someone with 10 PhD's is, umm, Snake Oil - AJinFLA 19:10:09 10/17/06 (109)

Truth Spoken By Any Man Is Still The Truth - thetubeguy1954 08:23:34 10/18/06 (104)

The manufacturers who *actually* prey on people are named Sony, Panasonic, Bose, Pioneer... they deliver CR*P! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:47:19 10/18/06 (95)

Perfect Sound Forever - WinthorpeIII 07:43:16 10/23/06 (1)

...and better, and better, and.... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:00:17 10/23/06 (0)

Re: The manufacturers who *actually* prey on people are named Sony, Panasonic, Bose, Pioneer... they deliver CR*P! nt - thetubeguy1954 09:14:32 10/18/06 (50)

"I cannot believe the disservice people like RBG do to the newbies." Believe it! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:58:27 10/18/06 (49)

It's oh so easy to claim every component sounds different when you never have to prove it - Richard BassNut Greene 08:44:17 10/19/06 (48)

Re: It's oh so easy to claim every component sounds different when you never have to prove it - Soundmind 05:58:21 10/22/06 (0)

It's Even Easier To Deny Component Sounds Different When You'll Never Accept The Offer To Have It Proven! - thetubeguy1954 08:54:01 10/19/06 (46)

So now I'm: "King of the Lunatic Fringe Objectivists" -- I always wanted to be king of my castle - Richard BassNut Greene 09:27:13 10/19/06 (45)

What's the difference between these statements? - kerr 10:09:45 10/19/06 (33)

Re: What's the difference between these statements? - andy19191 14:53:23 10/19/06 (20)

Re: What's the difference between these statements? - kerr 04:18:56 10/20/06 (19)

"I find your attempts at insults humorous. " - Richard BassNut Greene 07:50:10 10/20/06 (3)

Get Real or Truthful At Least - thetubeguy1954 09:34:22 10/20/06 (1)

Tubular you have turned into a junkyard dog with his jaws clamped down on my pants cuff (and won't let go ... - Richard BassNut Greene 12:29:00 10/21/06 (0)

Re: "I find your attempts at insults humorous. " - kerr 09:21:44 10/20/06 (0)

Re: What's the difference between these statements? - andy19191 06:17:32 10/20/06 (14)

Re: What's the difference between these statements? - kerr 06:56:10 10/20/06 (13)

Re: What's the difference between these statements? - andy19191 08:23:01 10/20/06 (12)

Understood (nt) - kerr 09:25:18 10/20/06 (0)

Come & Be Astounded - thetubeguy1954 09:13:44 10/20/06 (10)

Re: Come & Be Astounded - andy19191 12:40:33 10/20/06 (7)

Re: Come & Be Astounded - thetubeguy1954 14:24:22 10/20/06 (6)

Are you now comparing yourself to Einstein? - Richard BassNut Greene 12:57:54 10/21/06 (2)

Are You Really This Stupid? - thetubeguy1954 17:38:32 10/21/06 (1)

Lighten up Tubular -- that was a joke and a very funny one too .... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:50:22 10/23/06 (0)

Words to live by - kerr 18:04:17 10/20/06 (2)

And how are we suffering? - Atexanathome 17:05:02 10/23/06 (1)

Re: And how are we suffering? - kerr 08:56:58 10/24/06 (0)

Didn't P.T. Barnum say something like that? (nt) - AJinFLA 09:44:37 10/20/06 (1)

Hey! That was going to be MY line!!!! - Pat D 18:08:59 10/21/06 (0)

If many audiophiles have trouble differentiating among components with brand names hidden ... - Richard BassNut Greene 13:35:06 10/19/06 (11)

LYING RBG - thetubeguy1954 10:40:10 10/21/06 (0)

Umm.... - kerr 04:23:00 10/20/06 (7)

The only way to be SURE you can hear wire differences is to demonstrate your skill to witnesses - Richard BassNut Greene 07:18:18 10/20/06 (6)

LYING RBG - thetubeguy1954 08:51:13 10/20/06 (5)

Still one man's claims as "proof" -- are all the alleged witnesses to your claimed extraordinary hearing skills dead? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:29:02 10/20/06 (4)

Ranting RBG (((Kerr Read This))) - thetubeguy1954 09:46:55 10/20/06 (3)

Please make up your mind -- Am I ranting or am I lying or am I ranting AND lying -- people want to know - Richard BassNut Greene 12:44:23 10/21/06 (2)

You Are Both - thetubeguy1954 17:49:19 10/21/06 (1)

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but everyone is not entitled to his own facts - Richard BassNut Greene 08:22:32 10/23/06 (0)

Another Rant From RBG (( Kerr Read This ))) - thetubeguy1954 14:01:13 10/19/06 (1)

Tubular you responded twice to my post -- which attack post should I read first ? - Richard BassNut Greene 12:47:05 10/21/06 (0)

Don't Worry You Are, In Ranting RBG World! - thetubeguy1954 09:43:06 10/19/06 (10)

In 40 years as an audiophile I've never heard a subjectivist say "I can't hear a difference between these two components - Richard BassNut Greene 13:44:52 10/19/06 (9)

Your string is broken! ;-( - markrohr 03:54:24 10/20/06 (6)

What Subjectivist Would Hang With RBG? - thetubeguy1954 08:56:39 10/20/06 (2)

I would . . . - markrohr 12:27:57 10/20/06 (1)

Sorry to disappoint you but I never argue about audio in person -- only on-line with WireNuts for entertainment - Richard BassNut Greene 12:55:18 10/21/06 (0)

I said I'd never heard it -- I didn't say I'd never read it - Richard BassNut Greene 07:40:50 10/20/06 (1)

Actually, the way I'd put #2 - markrohr 12:20:51 10/20/06 (0)

Just what a guitarist loves to hear! :) - kerr 05:14:34 10/20/06 (0)

PLEASE Tell Me You Are Not This Stupid! - thetubeguy1954 14:26:00 10/19/06 (1)

You Are Not This Stupid - Richard BassNut Greene 07:34:12 10/20/06 (0)

Yes Clark, to you, a $100 bottle of Fluoride is a much better value than a $100 Sony CDP LOL(nt) - AJinFLA 09:14:07 10/18/06 (41)

Coward! - thetubeguy1954 09:18:35 10/18/06 (40)

I didn't go see the image of the virgin mary on the side of that building, nor do I stay up late for Santa either. - AJinFLA 13:49:59 10/18/06 (37)

Nor Do You Know The Truth About Wire & You Haven't The Guts To Learn It Either! - thetubeguy1954 17:21:25 10/18/06 (36)

Look - AJinFLA 18:57:40 10/18/06 (35)

Re: Look - john curl 21:33:24 10/18/06 (34)

Wrong - AJinFLA 04:06:02 10/19/06 (33)

It YOU Who's Wrong AJ - thetubeguy1954 08:15:14 10/19/06 (19)

Re: It YOU Who's Wrong AJ - AJinFLA 15:02:09 10/19/06 (12)

AJinFLA's Moronic & Cowardly Response - thetubeguy1954 07:38:13 10/20/06 (11)

You forgot to take the slow deep breaths I suggested - AJinFLA 09:57:34 10/20/06 (10)

Keep It Up! - thetubeguy1954 11:22:48 10/20/06 (9)

How quickly you have descended to questioning the size of someone's gonads. - clifff 12:13:59 10/20/06 (8)

Re: How quickly you have descended to lecturing others when you also insult to provoke! - thetubeguy1954 14:16:14 10/20/06 (5)

So now I am an "Ignorant Piece of Shit"! - clifff 15:04:05 10/20/06 (4)

Re: So now I am an "Ignorant Piece of Shit"! - thetubeguy1954 17:01:42 10/20/06 (3)

Do I sound bothered? nt - clifff 02:32:45 10/21/06 (2)

Rule no. 1: It's OK for TG54 to insult people. It's NOT- OK for you to point it out. - Pat D 08:36:48 10/23/06 (0)

Yes You Did! (nt) - thetubeguy1954 17:50:31 10/21/06 (0)

It was logically inevitable - AJinFLA 13:22:41 10/20/06 (1)

Re: It was logically inevitable - thetubeguy1954 17:59:47 10/21/06 (0)

"...staying up late for Santa." Yes, it's a coward's defense and a snarky one at that. - clarkjohnsen 08:54:20 10/19/06 (5)

EXACTLY! - thetubeguy1954 09:31:42 10/19/06 (4)

Re: EXACTLY! - john curl 10:58:58 10/19/06 (1)

Ask AJinFLA That's His Beliefs! - thetubeguy1954 11:13:40 10/19/06 (0)

"You would think AJinFLA would jump at the chance." Actually, no, I wouldn't. - clarkjohnsen 09:43:41 10/19/06 (1)

Nor Was I, I Was Being Facetious. - thetubeguy1954 11:11:57 10/19/06 (0)

Do you represent objectivists in general? - kerr 06:05:04 10/19/06 (12)

I represent myself - AJinFLA 15:21:59 10/19/06 (1)

Er... ok. - kerr 04:29:28 10/20/06 (0)

"Or is it just you?" LOL! You perfectly well know the answer. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:56:10 10/19/06 (2)

Seriously, I don't - kerr 09:53:57 10/19/06 (1)

OF COURSE you know the answer; we all do. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:58:00 10/19/06 (0)

YES It Is! - thetubeguy1954 08:36:53 10/19/06 (6)

Re: YES It Is! - kerr 09:52:08 10/19/06 (5)

Come On Down - thetubeguy1954 11:18:06 10/19/06 (4)

Okay, I must ask... - andy_c 19:36:43 10/19/06 (1)

Re: Okay, I must ask... - thetubeguy1954 09:19:03 10/20/06 (0)

Will do! - kerr 11:34:06 10/19/06 (1)

OK! - thetubeguy1954 12:29:22 10/19/06 (0)

"The cheeks of your disbelief." Phrasemaker! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:00:17 10/18/06 (1)

It's That Little Old Phrasemaker-- Me! nt - thetubeguy1954 10:35:38 10/18/06 (0)

BS Spoken By A PhD Is Still BS - Richard BassNut Greene 08:39:57 10/18/06 (7)

Truth Spoken By Any Man Is Still The Truth - thetubeguy1954 10:32:56 10/18/06 (1)

"Extraordinary hearing ability" is the claimed ability to differentiate among virtually all wires and electronics - Richard BassNut Greene 07:56:12 10/20/06 (0)

You don't need a PHD to pass on BS (NT) - unclestu52 09:26:24 10/18/06 (4)

Nor To Speak The Truth (NT) - thetubeguy1954 10:37:01 10/18/06 (0)

No, but it helps. ;-) nt - markrohr 10:17:49 10/18/06 (2)

Just so you know... - Wellfed 00:01:44 10/19/06 (1)

George Orwell once said - markrohr 04:30:34 10/19/06 (0)

My preferred statement from Sprey is: - Jacques 01:41:40 10/18/06 (3)

Re: My preferred statement from Sprey is: - john curl 10:53:50 10/18/06 (2)

Cleaners - Jacques 12:50:26 10/18/06 (1)

Re: Cleaners - john curl 15:48:14 10/18/06 (0)

Mapleshade "free tweaks" range from bizarre to very useful -- I've never heard their wires - Richard BassNut Greene 09:50:09 10/17/06 (3)

Re: Mapleshade "free tweaks" range from bizarre to very useful -- I've never heard their wires - Awe-d-o-file 12:41:38 10/17/06 (2)

Re: Mapleshade "free tweaks" range from bizarre to very useful -- I've never heard their wires - kerr 15:30:31 10/17/06 (1)

Re: Mapleshade "free tweaks" range from bizarre to very useful -- I've never heard their wires - Lynn 18:23:49 10/17/06 (0)

Pierre's claims... - kerr 06:36:44 10/17/06 (36)

"He adds to the rift... rather than seeking to bridge it." Hmm... - clarkjohnsen 09:13:20 10/17/06 (35)

I have most of his cds and have tried most of his and Ron Bouman's wires and tweaks. - Norm 06:36:30 10/18/06 (3)

I've gone pretty much the same direction... so we must be right! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:42:01 10/18/06 (2)

Yeah, Grate minds think alike - AJinFLA 19:39:11 10/18/06 (1)

With all apologies due to others that share my subjectivist leanings... - kerr 05:52:50 10/19/06 (0)

Re: "He adds to the rift... rather than seeking to bridge it." Hmm... - Steve Eddy 10:05:14 10/17/06 (19)

Here I thought that advanced degrees would appeal to "objectivists". Turns out, however... - clarkjohnsen 10:12:21 10/17/06 (18)

I haven't yet met an objectivist... - Jim Austin 14:19:46 10/17/06 (12)

"Objectivists" like yourself render judgements without benefit of listening; subjectivists listen. - clarkjohnsen 14:42:30 10/17/06 (11)

Clueless Clark: "Objectivists" compare components without the bias of knowing brand names and having different SPL's - Richard BassNut Greene 15:00:37 10/17/06 (10)

Ranting RBG: What Objectivists Call Extraordinary Hearing Ability A Subjectivists Calls A Trained Ear! - thetubeguy1954 10:44:00 10/18/06 (6)

Aczel said that??? - kerr 11:27:48 10/18/06 (5)

Re: Aczel said that??? - thetubeguy1954 12:07:01 10/18/06 (4)

Re: Aczel said that??? - kerr 05:49:08 10/19/06 (3)

Of course, it's basic to Aczel's POV. - Pat D 18:24:35 10/21/06 (2)

Yes, you're correct - kerr 07:20:15 10/23/06 (1)

Any specific criticisms? (nt) - Pat D 18:48:00 10/23/06 (0)

Should I merely assume... - Wellfed 22:35:59 10/17/06 (2)

Re: Should I merely assume... - kerr 04:53:48 10/18/06 (1)

False negatives! Great thought. Objectivists don't have a clue what that would be. nt - Norm 16:12:02 10/18/06 (0)

Re: Here I thought that advanced degrees would appeal to "objectivists". Turns out, however... - Steve Eddy 10:39:00 10/17/06 (4)

*chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* - Steve Eddy 14:56:29 10/17/06 (3)

Re: *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* - Jim Austin 18:53:15 10/17/06 (2)

Re: *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* - Steve Eddy 19:17:02 10/17/06 (1)

I hope not - Jim Austin 19:23:17 10/17/06 (0)

PhD = Piled high and Deep -- very appropriate that he has two PhD's - Richard BassNut Greene 09:54:37 10/17/06 (1)

RBG = Realtime BS Generator - thetubeguy1954 12:03:20 10/18/06 (0)

See my post below to Tubeguy - kerr 09:35:44 10/17/06 (8)

So who ranked them? But the fact is... - clarkjohnsen 09:47:11 10/17/06 (0)

Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - Steve Eddy 09:45:02 10/17/06 (6)

Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - kerr 11:19:25 10/17/06 (4)

Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - Steve Eddy 11:59:53 10/17/06 (3)

Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - kerr 15:25:53 10/17/06 (2)

Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - Steve Eddy 17:56:37 10/18/06 (1)

Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - kerr 10:13:08 10/19/06 (0)

But that's a "worst case" evaluation. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:48:46 10/17/06 (0)

Even Peter Aczel likes Mapleshade recordings. - Pat D 15:24:16 10/16/06 (1)

Yes. I have - clifff 15:34:15 10/16/06 (0)

Interesting - clifff 13:46:09 10/16/06 (35)

Many of the tweaks evolved from the recording process - Dave Pogue 04:25:51 10/17/06 (0)

Re: Interesting - thetubeguy1954 14:04:58 10/16/06 (33)

I believe you ... - clifff 14:44:16 10/16/06 (32)

Quotes From Mapleshade's Mailed Cataloge - thetubeguy1954 06:47:03 10/17/06 (14)

You picked all of the MOST bizzare claims in the catalog -- you just LOVE being on the audio lunatic fringe don't you? - Richard BassNut Greene 10:04:17 10/17/06 (5)

How do you get the right to define the audio lunatic fringe. I would maintain that you are on it. nt - Norm 16:20:03 10/18/06 (1)

Good Guess Norm! - thetubeguy1954 17:24:07 10/18/06 (0)

Re: You picked all of the MOST bizzare claims in the catalog -- you just LOVE being on the audio lunatic fringe don't yo - thetubeguy1954 13:03:02 10/17/06 (2)

TubeGuy sez:"WIRES ARE A COMPONENT JUST AS CRITICAL AS SPEAKERS " = Tube Guy is a certified audio wacko - Richard BassNut Greene 08:24:21 10/18/06 (1)

RBG sez Subjectivists = Extraordinary Hearing Ability , Even Peter Aczel Denies This! RBG = Lunatic Fringe Objectivist - thetubeguy1954 10:54:49 10/18/06 (0)

Do you believe the quote from Page 33? - kerr 08:53:46 10/17/06 (7)

Yes, I Know It's True! - thetubeguy1954 09:40:56 10/17/06 (6)

Re: Yes, I Know It's True! - kerr 11:25:19 10/17/06 (4)

Re: Yes, I Know It's True! - thetubeguy1954 13:52:14 10/17/06 (3)

Nicely synopsized. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:38:25 10/18/06 (0)

Thanks for the clarification (nt) - kerr 15:27:38 10/17/06 (1)

De Nada (nt) - thetubeguy1954 11:01:34 10/18/06 (0)

You dare to *play by ear*? What are you, some kind of *musician*? This is *science* fella! Get with it. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:47:31 10/17/06 (0)

Thanks.... - thetubeguy1954 16:53:12 10/16/06 (16)

Re: Thanks.... - john curl 20:56:54 10/16/06 (15)

Re: Thanks.... - jneutron 08:12:34 10/17/06 (7)

Re: Thanks.... - john curl 12:30:22 10/17/06 (6)

Re: Thanks.... - Steve Eddy 14:21:38 10/17/06 (2)

Yeah, just do it... - Wellfed 22:43:00 10/17/06 (1)

Re: Yeah, just do it... - Steve Eddy 15:09:37 10/18/06 (0)

Re: Thanks.... - jneutron 13:51:14 10/17/06 (2)

Re: Thanks.... - john curl 10:58:38 10/18/06 (1)

Your welcome. sorry I didn't have more for you. nt - jneutron 11:56:09 10/18/06 (0)

JC: a Pearl Thrown In Manure - Jacques 01:20:09 10/17/06 (6)

Re: JC: a Pearl Thrown In Manure - john curl 06:03:57 10/17/06 (5)

Huh? - kerr 06:40:33 10/17/06 (4)

Bravo Kerr! - thetubeguy1954 08:30:53 10/17/06 (3)

It's simple, really - kerr 08:45:13 10/17/06 (2)

Re: It's simple, really - bwaslo 09:08:36 10/17/06 (1)

Re: It's simple, really - kerr 09:33:02 10/17/06 (0)

Follow Ups

In 40 years as an audiophile I've never heard a subjectivist say "I can't hear a difference between these two components - Richard BassNut Greene 13:44:52 10/19/06 (9)

Your string is broken! ;-( - markrohr 03:54:24 10/20/06 (6)

What Subjectivist Would Hang With RBG? - thetubeguy1954 08:56:39 10/20/06 (2)

I would . . . - markrohr 12:27:57 10/20/06 (1)

Sorry to disappoint you but I never argue about audio in person -- only on-line with WireNuts for entertainment - Richard BassNut Greene 12:55:18 10/21/06 (0)

I said I'd never heard it -- I didn't say I'd never read it - Richard BassNut Greene 07:40:50 10/20/06 (1)

Actually, the way I'd put #2 - markrohr 12:20:51 10/20/06 (0)

Just what a guitarist loves to hear! :) - kerr 05:14:34 10/20/06 (0)

PLEASE Tell Me You Are Not This Stupid! - thetubeguy1954 14:26:00 10/19/06 (1)

You Are Not This Stupid - Richard BassNut Greene 07:34:12 10/20/06 (0)