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In Reply to: Why tubes? posted by Lynn on August 19, 2006 at 08:55:45:
My answer to this is I think there are "distortions" with solid-state amplification that have yet to be captured in measurable form. (The same goes for digitized audio.)The crux of most "technical" disagreements is the notion of whether or not a condition exists if it is not measurable at the current time. I personally think "yes," but there are many here who think "no."
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Why tubes? - Lynn 08:55:45 08/19/06 (121)
- Sorry, Lynn, once a week are so I have to wave the red cape in front of simplemind. nt - Norm 09:54:21 08/20/06 (1)
- long answer - Soundmind 06:50:02 08/20/06 (26)
- Remarkably tame answer SM - E-Stat 13:31:39 08/20/06 (0)
- Re: long answer - unclestu52 12:30:45 08/20/06 (16)
- Re: long answer - john curl 13:04:48 08/20/06 (15)
- Yes, the very best amps I heard are till tube. - cheap-Jack 09:50:38 08/21/06 (10)
- Re: Yes, the very best amps I heard are till tube. - morricab 15:14:20 08/22/06 (0)
- Re: "The Best Stereo System I ever heard." - geoffkait 04:37:55 08/22/06 (2)
- Yes, isolation platform is part of the sonic equation. - cheap-Jack 06:33:10 08/22/06 (1)
- Re: Yes, isolation platform is part of the sonic equation. - geoffkait 06:55:40 08/22/06 (0)
- Re: Yes, the very best amps I heard are till tube. - john curl 10:23:04 08/21/06 (5)
- Re: Yes, the very best amps I heard are till tube. - Dan Banquer 12:03:22 08/21/06 (2)
- Re: Yes, the very best amps I heard are till tube. - john curl 12:37:06 08/21/06 (0)
- So you only "guess". - cheap-Jack 12:26:18 08/21/06 (0)
- Great minds think alike. - cheap-Jack 11:08:02 08/21/06 (1)
- Re: Great minds think alike. - john curl 12:39:39 08/21/06 (0)
- Never heard of that Sequerra/Morrison amp.. - robert young 13:43:43 08/20/06 (3)
- Re: Never heard of that Sequerra/Morrison amp.. - Steve Eddy 17:00:35 08/20/06 (1)
- That address was....remarkable. - robert young 18:52:39 08/20/06 (0)
- Re: Never heard of that Sequerra/Morrison amp.. - john curl 13:56:13 08/20/06 (0)
- In short, Lynn, you are wrong to think tubes are better, because SM says so. - Norm 08:26:19 08/20/06 (7)
- Actually, more than 99.99% of the world's amplifier market agrees - Soundmind 09:06:50 08/20/06 (6)
- Actually as usual you haven't a clue about what percentage uses ss. - Norm 09:51:04 08/20/06 (5)
- Re: Actually as usual you haven't a clue about what percentage uses ss. - Soundmind 10:40:56 08/20/06 (4)
- Don't miss this, gang -- funnniest post of the day. - Dave Pogue 08:18:11 08/21/06 (2)
- Disagree - kerr 09:31:05 08/21/06 (1)
- Nah. Nothing funny about that. - Dave Pogue 09:37:08 08/21/06 (0)
- I am shocked that you would think so. nt - Norm 10:45:23 08/20/06 (0)
- Don't feed the troll !!! - Jacques 01:36:59 08/20/06 (0)
- Re: Why tubes? - Todd Krieger 00:28:09 08/20/06 (0)
- Because they have filament transformers. - Al Sekela 16:03:44 08/19/06 (5)
- I'll bite, Al, - unclestu52 16:21:47 08/19/06 (4)
- Exactly. Include more mid-bass resolution. - Al Sekela 15:24:28 08/20/06 (3)
- Interesting - unclestu52 12:57:24 08/21/06 (2)
- I think the transformers/chokes have to be near the noise source and - Al Sekela 19:48:33 08/21/06 (1)
- Thanks! - unclestu52 20:27:18 08/21/06 (0)
- Re: Why tubes? - theaudiohobby 14:20:01 08/19/06 (0)
- There is no answer to your question - Caymus 12:20:47 08/19/06 (1)
- Seriously... - Wellfed 20:55:16 08/19/06 (1)
- Re: Why tubes? - john curl 11:06:31 08/19/06 (64)
- Do you have any data? - Soundmind 12:03:21 08/19/06 (15)
- Re: Do you have any data? - john curl 13:00:22 08/19/06 (12)
- John, thanks for confirming... - mkuller 15:17:47 08/21/06 (0)
- John, - unclestu52 14:49:19 08/19/06 (2)
- Re: John, - john curl 15:33:57 08/19/06 (1)
- I look forwards to the day when SS'll beat tubes. - cheap-Jack 11:22:40 08/21/06 (0)
- Re: Do you have any data? - Soundmind 13:36:17 08/19/06 (7)
- huh? - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 05:15:44 08/20/06 (3)
- "The whole point of those is to be an effects box." - Norm 07:59:49 08/20/06 (2)
- None other than Nelson Pass - unclestu52 14:32:39 08/20/06 (1)
- Re: None other than Nelson Pass - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 18:38:38 08/20/06 (0)
- Re: Do you have any data? - john curl 14:47:46 08/19/06 (2)
- Re: Do you have any data? - Soundmind 16:01:37 08/19/06 (1)
- Re: Do you have any data? - john curl 20:42:03 08/19/06 (0)
- Lower orders of harmonic distortion as written up in Cheever's obviously defective paper is a canard - Soundmind 12:39:48 08/19/06 (1)
- Re: Lower orders of harmonic distortion as written up in Cheever's obviously defective paper is a canard - morricab 03:08:24 08/21/06 (0)
- Re: Why tubes? - Lynn 11:25:29 08/19/06 (2)
- Re: Why tubes? - john curl 11:41:02 08/19/06 (1)
- Re: Why tubes? - morricab 03:20:23 08/21/06 (0)
- Re: Why tubes? - Dan Banquer 11:17:43 08/19/06 (44)
- Re: Why tubes? - john curl 11:20:56 08/19/06 (43)
- Answser the question!. - Dan Banquer 05:29:56 08/20/06 (42)
- Re: Answser the question!. - john curl 10:10:21 08/20/06 (41)
- Re: Ok - theaudiohobby 11:15:24 08/20/06 (40)
- Re: Ok - john curl 13:12:51 08/20/06 (39)
- Re: Ok, but why? - theaudiohobby 14:15:33 08/20/06 (38)
- Re: Ok, but why? - morricab 03:14:17 08/21/06 (2)
- Re: Ok, but why? - theaudiohobby 12:20:39 08/21/06 (1)
- Re: Ok, but why? - morricab 02:59:04 08/22/06 (0)
- Re: Ok, but why? - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 19:15:32 08/20/06 (2)
- Re: Ok, but why? - morricab 03:16:02 08/21/06 (1)
- Re: Ok, but why? - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 03:39:26 08/21/06 (0)
- Re: Ok, but why? - john curl 15:32:05 08/20/06 (31)
- Re: Ok, but why? - theaudiohobby 10:44:49 08/21/06 (6)
- Re: Ok, but why? - john curl 10:59:40 08/21/06 (5)
- Re: Ok, some clarification - theaudiohobby 12:11:22 08/21/06 (4)
- Re: Ok, some clarification - john curl 13:57:46 08/21/06 (3)
- Re: Ok, some clarification - theaudiohobby 20:50:13 08/21/06 (2)
- Re: Ok, some clarification - morricab 03:02:35 08/22/06 (1)
- Re: Ok, some clarification - theaudiohobby 05:08:13 08/22/06 (0)
- Re: Ok, but why? - Soundmind 17:31:28 08/20/06 (23)
- Re: Ok, but why? - john curl 20:28:38 08/20/06 (1)
- Re: Ok, but why? - Soundmind 20:49:04 08/20/06 (0)
- Wow. That wasn't a straw man: - robert young 18:57:31 08/20/06 (20)
- Re: I hope that you appreciate that this is a scientific forum - theaudiohobby 12:13:25 08/21/06 (5)
- Let's see.... - robert young 12:37:10 08/21/06 (4)
- Re: Well - theaudiohobby 12:43:19 08/21/06 (3)
- If that was the criteria for posting here... - robert young 12:54:07 08/21/06 (2)
- Re: Wow. That wasn't a straw man: - Soundmind 19:04:03 08/20/06 (13)
- Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - robert young 04:44:25 08/21/06 (12)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - Soundmind 04:57:30 08/21/06 (11)
- The World according to SM - robert young 10:31:15 08/21/06 (1)
- Mostly what they've got are large bank accounts....from their 10000% markups nt - Soundmind 11:56:44 08/21/06 (0)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - thetubeguy1954 09:19:49 08/21/06 (8)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - Soundmind 09:59:10 08/21/06 (7)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - thetubeguy1954 11:03:52 08/21/06 (5)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - Soundmind 11:53:19 08/21/06 (4)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - morricab 03:17:20 08/22/06 (0)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - john curl 14:03:11 08/21/06 (1)
- Remind me not to stand near the first time you throw the switch on a new one - Soundmind 14:06:41 08/21/06 (0)
- Yeah, now we're getting somewhere!! - robert young 12:42:02 08/21/06 (0)
- "I have other ideas which don't much interest anyone either." - robert young 10:28:10 08/21/06 (0)
- Solid State. - Dan Banquer 09:16:51 08/19/06 (16)
- Re: Solid State. - Lynn 09:55:50 08/19/06 (15)
- Re: Solid State. - Dan Banquer 10:39:19 08/19/06 (14)
- Re: Solid State. - Lynn 11:38:26 08/19/06 (13)
- Re: Solid State. - Dan Banquer 05:42:15 08/20/06 (0)
- I heard a multi-mega-buck SS system yesterday - Dave Pogue 05:19:29 08/20/06 (5)
- I heard fifty multi-mega-buck tube systems in May at the VTV show - Soundmind 08:03:27 08/20/06 (4)
- Wow! Fifty multi-megabuck tube systems in one show! - Dave Pogue 08:32:47 08/21/06 (3)
- Re: Wow! Fifty multi-megabuck tube systems in one show! - Soundmind 08:50:05 08/21/06 (2)
- Re: Wow! Fifty multi-megabuck tube systems in one show! - morricab 03:20:48 08/22/06 (0)
- Nice try. - Dave Pogue 09:10:12 08/21/06 (0)
- Bear in mind, Lynn, that DB only goes by measurements. You will get no reasoned explanation. nt - Norm 11:52:11 08/19/06 (5)
- Yep. - Dan Banquer 05:35:36 08/20/06 (4)
- So What 99% of DIYers Would Say The Same? - thetubeguy1954 11:18:07 08/21/06 (3)
- Re: This is a technical discussion - theaudiohobby 12:29:09 08/21/06 (2)
- Re: This is a technical discussion - morricab 03:22:02 08/22/06 (1)
- Re: I already have one! - theaudiohobby 04:15:51 08/23/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: Why tubes? - Todd Krieger 00:28:09 08/20/06 (0)
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