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Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 09:53:13 06/17/08 (170)
- For 150 clams.. - gymwear5@hotmail.com 14:07:33 06/24/08 (0)
- Play the Sheffield record/CD..... - Awe-d-o-file 15:47:38 06/18/08 (1)
  - RE: Play the Sheffield record/CD..... - Todd Krieger 02:06:41 06/19/08 (0)
- RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - rick_m 12:14:30 06/17/08 (42)
  - RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - andy_c 12:42:21 06/17/08 (41)
    - RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 00:39:40 06/18/08 (27)
      - RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - Ugly 11:25:44 06/18/08 (23)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 15:42:23 06/18/08 (22)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - rick_m 06:22:48 06/19/08 (21)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 11:29:34 06/19/08 (4)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - rick_m 12:22:27 06/19/08 (3)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 01:39:25 06/20/08 (1)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - rick_m 06:19:20 06/20/08 (0)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 01:35:39 06/20/08 (0)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - AJinFLA 09:37:01 06/19/08 (7)
        
        I'm there... - rick_m 11:40:38 06/19/08 (2)
        
        RE: I'm there... - AJinFLA 03:36:53 06/20/08 (1)
        
        It was a local bunch... - rick_m 07:33:02 06/20/08 (0)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 11:33:58 06/19/08 (2)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - AJinFLA 17:08:04 06/19/08 (1)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 01:40:57 06/20/08 (0)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 11:33:23 06/19/08 (0)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - andy_c 08:53:03 06/19/08 (7)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 11:31:08 06/19/08 (4)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - andy_c 11:48:32 06/19/08 (3)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 01:49:25 06/20/08 (2)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - andy_c 07:18:17 06/20/08 (1)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 07:35:59 06/20/08 (0)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - rick_m 11:11:47 06/19/08 (0)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - AJinFLA 09:26:53 06/19/08 (0)
      - RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - andy_c 08:19:58 06/18/08 (0)
      - RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - rick_m 06:46:04 06/18/08 (1)
        
        RE: Distortion and Audibility...replay. - morricab 08:25:52 06/18/08 (0)
    - So, the big discovery = tubeamps sound better than xistor amps in clipping? Stop the presses! - Ugly 15:26:00 06/17/08 (12)
      - Of course it's possible a much higher power solid state amp would never clip at all? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:46:04 06/18/08 (9)
        
        I am convinced that is what is already happenning. - Ugly 11:14:11 06/18/08 (8)
        
        RE: I am convinced that is what is already happenning. - morricab 16:26:01 06/18/08 (7)
        
        RE: I am convinced that is what is already happenning. - Ugly 01:00:14 06/19/08 (6)
        
        RE: I am convinced that is what is already happenning. - morricab 02:16:43 06/19/08 (5)
        
        RE: I am convinced that is what is already happenning. - theaudiohobby 08:56:46 06/20/08 (4)
        
        RE: I am convinced that is what is already happenning. - morricab 01:33:04 06/21/08 (2)
        
        RE: I am convinced that is what is already happenning. - theaudiohobby 13:16:38 06/21/08 (1)
        
        RE: I am convinced that is what is already happenning. - morricab 04:35:58 06/22/08 (0)
        
        If speakers were measured in fluid ounces we might have some data (nt) - AJinFLA 10:08:51 06/20/08 (0)
      - That seems to be the gist of it (nt) - andy_c 15:36:11 06/17/08 (1)
        
        'Tis indeed. - rick_m 16:59:25 06/17/08 (0)
- Much said about "audibility" is beliefs rather than facts - Richard BassNut Greene 10:07:38 06/17/08 (123)
  - Round and around we go, where we stop nobody knows. nt - Norm 18:03:29 06/17/08 (0)
  - RE: Much said about "audibility" is beliefs rather than facts - morricab 14:59:22 06/17/08 (11)
    - Incredible how much you talk about audio and how little you know about audio - Richard BassNut Greene 08:34:10 06/18/08 (10)
      - RE: Incredible how much you talk about audio and how little you know about audio - morricab 16:13:04 06/18/08 (9)
        
        Every "point" of yours calmly refuted with one hand tied behind my back (read Monday = avoid ruining weekend) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:13:34 06/20/08 (4)
        
        RE: Every "point" of yours calmly refuted with one hand tied behind my back (read Monday = avoid ruining weeke - morricab 02:19:32 06/21/08 (3)
        
        You say: "Sometimes not at first but with time they all (amplifiers) sound different. Same with preamplifiers" - Richard BassNut Greene 08:33:12 06/23/08 (2)
        
        RE: You say: "Sometimes not at first but with time they all (amplifiers) sound different. Same with preamplifiers" - morricab 06:44:54 06/24/08 (0)
        
        RE: You say: "Sometimes not at first but with time they all (amplifiers) sound different. Same with preamplifiers" - morricab 06:41:04 06/24/08 (0)
        
        Your silence is deafening, RBNG - morricab 01:59:36 06/20/08 (2)
        
        It takes a day for me to recover from reading one of your posts - Richard BassNut Greene 08:27:38 06/20/08 (1)
        
        RE: It takes a day for me to recover from reading one of your posts - morricab 01:51:33 06/21/08 (0)
        
        Wow! Bingo! You have done what I have been too lazy to do--having the studies at hand. nt - Norm 08:57:28 06/19/08 (0)
  - Gee, Richard, maybe those tests are simply not appropriate. - robert young 11:29:55 06/17/08 (109)
    - You can and should say the same thing about uncontrolled subjective comparisons - Richard BassNut Greene 08:59:30 06/18/08 (30)
      - The problems with bias in sighted tests are obvious. - robert young 13:20:55 06/18/08 (26)
        
        SBT's are useful too - Richard BassNut Greene 14:04:38 06/18/08 (25)
        
        You continue to ignore the glaring problem of "T." - robert young 14:17:47 06/18/08 (24)
        
        You remind me of a guy who claims to have a 200 IQ but refuses an IQ test because they make him nervous - Richard BassNut Greene 14:30:16 06/18/08 (23)
        
        You Remind Me Of A Guy Who Makes Up Stories To Support His Beliefs - thetubeguy1954 19:31:48 06/18/08 (21)
        
        You claim exceptional hearing skills and sometimes claim to do tests but you never test your claims - Richard BassNut Greene 08:55:27 06/19/08 (20)
        
        Neither do you - E-Stat 07:25:23 06/20/08 (4)
        
        What are you challenging me to some kind of hearing test using headphones? - Richard BassNut Greene 13:56:47 06/20/08 (3)
        
        Finally you answer - E-Stat 14:18:31 06/20/08 (2)
        
        I gave your brain time to rest, but alas, you're confused, as usual - Richard BassNut Greene 14:57:29 06/20/08 (1)
        
        Simple questions for you - E-Stat 15:08:15 06/20/08 (0)
        
        And You Say The Same BS Over & Over - thetubeguy1954 13:41:22 06/19/08 (14)
        
        Your so-called tests were a joke - Richard BassNut Greene 13:59:46 06/20/08 (0)
        
        The lesson that you and others should learn - bjh 14:08:44 06/19/08 (12)
        
        Extended character attacks NEVER refute points I make in posts - Richard BassNut Greene 14:01:21 06/20/08 (0)
        
        BJH --- I Agree Completely With Your Post - thetubeguy1954 06:42:21 06/20/08 (2)
        
        "we should all choose to simply ignore Richard BassNut Greene, AJinFLA & Pat D" - Richard BassNut Greene 14:06:24 06/20/08 (1)
        
        You were doing so well.... - robert young 16:44:46 06/20/08 (0)
        
        Gosh, you're right!! - robert young 15:12:33 06/19/08 (7)
        
        You forgot to say ... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:25:43 06/20/08 (2)
        
        RE: You forgot to say ... - morricab 02:25:25 06/21/08 (0)
        
        But I don't know that.... - robert young 09:50:33 06/20/08 (0)
        
        I'm sorry Robert but - bjh 17:23:37 06/19/08 (3)
        
        Okey-dokey. - robert young 19:19:20 06/19/08 (2)
        
        I'm starting a petition to bring back Roaring Poser and Teresa ....... & anyone else needed for more fun ? - Richard BassNut Greene 14:16:25 06/20/08 (1)
        
        Thanks for the laugh.... - robert young 15:08:45 06/20/08 (0)
        
        That would be funny, if.... - robert young 14:39:01 06/18/08 (0)
      - OR... you can create a fantasy in your head about 30 years of - bjh 10:41:07 06/18/08 (1)
        
        The true fantasyland is "everything sounds different" as no one can EVER demonstrate that skill to witnesses . - Richard BassNut Greene 14:09:05 06/18/08 (0)
      - another logical fallacy #19. nt - Analog Scott 09:14:43 06/18/08 (0)
    - An ABX DBT can be calibrated for sensitivity to differences - Analog Scott 15:00:17 06/17/08 (4)
      - Nulls are not meaningless, Mr. Brainiac - Richard BassNut Greene 09:09:30 06/18/08 (3)
        
        Nice strawman. never said they were meaningless. - Analog Scott 09:22:58 06/18/08 (2)
        
        I assume an "uncalibrated test" is any test whose results don't match your beliefs? - Richard BassNut Greene 14:13:50 06/18/08 (1)
        
        well, it is like you to make a dumb ass assumption - Analog Scott 15:27:11 06/18/08 (0)
    - RE: Gee, Richard, maybe those tests are simply not appropriate. - Pat D 14:05:13 06/17/08 (72)
      - RE: Gee, Richard, maybe those tests are simply not appropriate. - Analog Scott 15:05:25 06/17/08 (47)
        
        The test is a way to check claims made during sighted uncontrolled comparisons - Richard BassNut Greene 14:22:44 06/18/08 (2)
        
        Did you even read my post? - Analog Scott 15:54:59 06/18/08 (1)
        
        You mean your convoluted "logic" where a system is only good enough for a test if you like the test results? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:05:55 06/19/08 (0)
        
        RE: Gee, Richard, maybe those tests are simply not appropriate. - Pat D 17:02:25 06/17/08 (43)
        
        logical fallacy #19 - Analog Scott 00:06:37 06/18/08 (27)
        
        Logic can be a wonderful thing . . . - Pat D 17:00:07 06/18/08 (26)
        
        "but not misapplied logic. I have not used a tu quoque argument." - Analog Scott 17:23:40 06/18/08 (25)
        
        A comparison is not a tu quoque. - Pat D 02:44:16 06/19/08 (24)
        
        RE: A comparison is not a tu quoque. - morricab 01:54:37 06/20/08 (1)
        
        RE: A comparison is not a tu quoque. - robert young 05:41:30 06/20/08 (0)
        
        Null DBTs are not very interesting - Tony Lauck 20:32:02 06/19/08 (10)
        
        Where are the "null results" in sighted non-SPL matched comparisons? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:23:27 06/25/08 (1)
        
        RE: Where are the "null results" in sighted non-SPL matched comparisons? - Tony Lauck 08:38:44 06/25/08 (0)
        
        Great post! - kerr 05:40:51 06/20/08 (7)
        
        Actually, you're both wrong about this. - Pat D 16:14:57 06/20/08 (6)
        
        RE: Actually, you're both wrong about this. - Tony Lauck 18:10:41 06/20/08 (2)
        
        RE: Actually, you're both wrong about this. - Pat D 20:02:52 06/20/08 (1)
        
        RE: Actually, you're both wrong about this. - Tony Lauck 17:53:18 06/21/08 (0)
        
        " Or didn't you read what jj has said on this?" This is getting pathetic. - robert young 16:28:46 06/20/08 (2)
        
        The Leventhal AES article on this is a must-read - andy_c 17:57:01 06/20/08 (1)
        
        RE: The Leventhal AES article on this is a must-read - Pat D 18:17:55 06/23/08 (0)
        
        Put your arrogance aside for just a moment. - robert young 03:52:25 06/19/08 (10)
        
        No, it is arrogant to ignore the evidence. (nt) - Pat D 18:41:48 06/19/08 (9)
        
        And that is exactly what you have been doing. - robert young 19:16:45 06/19/08 (8)
        
        Yet another self-declared winner. - Pat D 06:09:37 06/21/08 (7)
        
        I didn't realize this was a sporting event. - robert young 07:33:32 06/21/08 (6)
        
        "Game over" is your expression. So now you're taking your marbles and going home? - Pat D 07:56:25 06/21/08 (5)
        
        You don't seem to have understood my position. - robert young 08:01:40 06/21/08 (4)
        
        Your position doesn't concern me, only your arguments. (nt) - Pat D 17:12:33 06/21/08 (3)
        
        That was your biggest cop-out yet. - robert young 17:26:29 06/21/08 (2)
        
        Anyone can take a position. It's the justification that interests me. - Pat D 19:24:20 06/21/08 (1)
        
        I explained why. If you don't like the reasons, that's not going to affect me one way or the other. - robert young 06:19:57 06/22/08 (0)
        
        Pat, it isn't whether sighted is better or worse, its about... - robert young 18:42:57 06/17/08 (14)
        
        "Non-calibrated" describes the typical out-of-control sighted audition - Richard BassNut Greene 14:40:41 06/18/08 (3)
        
        Yes, I do dislike sighted tests... - robert young 16:17:18 06/18/08 (2)
        
        "I make no claims of superiority of either the system or my ears." - Richard BassNut Greene 09:19:59 06/19/08 (1)
        
        "Those audiophiles who have tested their ears comparing interconnects would not worry..." - robert young 09:33:35 06/19/08 (0)
        
        No, you still haven't got it. - Pat D 19:21:36 06/17/08 (9)
        
        Yes I do, but I'm convinced you don't. - robert young 13:39:59 06/18/08 (0)
        
        RE: No, you still haven't got it. - bjh 20:30:07 06/17/08 (7)
        
        RE: No, you still haven't got it. - Pat D 17:20:20 06/18/08 (6)
        
        "Richard isn't the only one." You mean those others (like Richard) have dreamt - bjh 19:55:17 06/18/08 (0)
        
        I would say logical fallacy #3 again but... - Analog Scott 17:27:46 06/18/08 (4)
        
        I would say argumentem ad hominem. (nt) - Pat D 17:38:14 06/18/08 (3)
        
        That would be an odd thing to say given there was no argument - Analog Scott 17:44:46 06/18/08 (2)
        
        Nonsense. - Pat D 02:49:35 06/19/08 (1)
        
        You have correctly - E-Stat 10:16:39 06/21/08 (0)
      - Of course calibration is required. - robert young 14:16:48 06/17/08 (23)
        
        It depends on the purpose of the audition. - Pat D 17:14:51 06/17/08 (22)
        
        Ah yes, another example of Fallacy # 3 - E-Stat 14:03:10 06/18/08 (0)
        
        Let's go back to basics. As you often chastise others for not doing. - robert young 18:47:55 06/17/08 (20)
        
        Yes, let's do get back to real life basics. - Pat D 20:03:32 06/17/08 (19)
        
        Yes, let's discuss authority. - robert young 14:05:35 06/18/08 (18)
        
        RE: Yes, let's discuss authority. - Pat D 17:34:02 06/18/08 (17)
        
        You are so far from getting this. - robert young 19:54:54 06/18/08 (16)
        
        Known Flaws In DBTS! - thetubeguy1954 08:39:56 06/19/08 (1)
        
        It seems we have taught you something . . . - Pat D 14:21:15 06/19/08 (0)
        
        You haven't come up with any reasons to doubt accepted scientific protocols. - Pat D 02:54:44 06/19/08 (13)
        
        Yes I have. - robert young 03:45:55 06/19/08 (12)
        
        Your arguments don't support your conclusion. - Pat D 14:40:37 06/19/08 (11)
        
        Sorry, but I do not accept your points. - robert young 15:08:02 06/19/08 (10)
        
        Just for your benefit... - bjh 17:42:49 06/19/08 (9)
        
        But do you benefit? - Pat D 18:02:29 06/19/08 (8)
        
        When I suggested that you research "forced choice," I didn't intend... - robert young 19:24:59 06/19/08 (6)
        
        I gave you the thread--you can search around it all you want. - Pat D 16:04:20 06/20/08 (1)
        
        I'm sad that you clearly can't give this more attention. - robert young 16:37:03 06/20/08 (0)
        
        JJ was just the sort to earn Pat D's adulation... - bjh 20:23:28 06/19/08 (3)
        
        I was around when he took his ball and left. - robert young 03:32:27 06/20/08 (2)
        
        I expect he had other things to do . . . - Pat D 05:57:06 06/21/08 (1)
        
        Though the point is irrelevant, you are right about it. - robert young 06:27:04 06/21/08 (0)
        
        RE: But do you benefit? - bjh 18:32:29 06/19/08 (0)
Length of impulsive sounds in music program material - flutter echoes - KlausR. 07:40:59 06/16/08 (1)
- You prolly need to accout for engineered Echo effect - FenderLover 00:56:57 06/17/08 (0)
"Sonic crystals" -- Another scam from Machina Dynamica? - clarkjohnsen 08:38:16 06/14/08 (18)
- That's secret information you're giving away. - tomsyl1 15:02:21 06/18/08 (0)
- Hooking for your buddy geoff, again? And yet not understanding what is in the link you´ve posted... (nt) - orejones 10:54:01 06/18/08 (2)
  - Another purblind victim of satire, bites the dust. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:17:22 06/18/08 (1)
    - Are you sure? Subtleness is not your strongest suit, lilly manners... (nt) - orejones 14:14:03 06/18/08 (0)
- The funny thing is... - Analog Scott 12:22:24 06/16/08 (3)
  - Though purely theoretical at this point - tomsyl1 15:05:56 06/18/08 (0)
  - It is an interesting article, - bjh 13:08:36 06/16/08 (1)
    - RE: It is an interesting article, - Analog Scott 13:33:02 06/16/08 (0)
- Make one & I'll pay you triple. - cheap-Jack 07:23:37 06/16/08 (2)
  - Glad to see you missed the point -- again. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:36:02 06/16/08 (1)
    - So tell me yr point I missed. (nt) - cheap-Jack 09:46:04 06/16/08 (0)
- RE: "Sonic crystals" -- Another scam from Machina Dynamica? - becketma@yahoo.com 22:31:47 06/14/08 (0)
- Rift w/ Geoff? - Todd Krieger 22:20:22 06/14/08 (4)
  - Sometimes - unclestu52 12:52:45 06/15/08 (0)
  - Uh... Todd... I was satirizing the people who write stuff like that. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:48:23 06/15/08 (2)
    - Jeez Clark, You Sure Did a Good Job Accusing MD of Marketing a Scam....... - Todd Krieger 23:55:32 06/15/08 (1)
      - Thanks! Some people believed it. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:21:13 06/16/08 (0)
- The light wave disappearing work is true but of limited usefulness. nt - Norm 10:21:02 06/14/08 (0)
What would be your subjectivist (objectivist) mantra, assuming you had one? - carcass93 11:57:07 06/13/08 (45)
- My mantra is called "Pick your poison". - Presto 12:42:28 06/15/08 (2)
  - RE: My mantra is called "Pick your poison". - Todd Krieger 00:24:48 06/16/08 (1)
    - It's a term I picked up here... - Presto 12:24:47 06/16/08 (0)
- Trusting your ears is bum advice if your ears are in an audio store - Richard BassNut Greene 22:27:35 06/14/08 (0)
- Universal DIY sermon - tomservo 07:27:02 06/14/08 (8)
  - "the magazines REAL business is catering to the mfr’s via selling advertising." - Analog Scott 11:12:25 06/16/08 (0)
  - What your argument ignores is that almost everything you consider a scam... - clarkjohnsen 11:15:10 06/15/08 (2)
    - RE: What your argument ignores is that almost everything you consider a scam... - Don T 09:10:21 06/16/08 (1)
      - Why? It's called sorting. - clarkjohnsen 10:19:57 06/16/08 (0)
  - Where's Cheap-Jack when we need him? nt - geoffkait 10:47:03 06/14/08 (0)
  - RE: Universal DIY sermon - Don T 08:32:02 06/14/08 (0)
  - That's probably the most intelligent thing I have ever read here. - Tweekeng 08:24:50 06/14/08 (0)
  - Sermon? Anyone ask for a sermon? nt - bjh 08:20:16 06/14/08 (0)
- Forget about a ceiling... - Wellfed 21:45:32 06/13/08 (1)
  - Easy for YOU to say, you... you... experimenter! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:52:00 06/15/08 (0)
- Or.... - Don T 20:53:14 06/13/08 (1)
  - But what about the role of double-blind testing in that procedure you described? - carcass93 21:02:45 06/13/08 (0)
- Satan, Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas!!!! [nt] - Todd Krieger 16:10:36 06/13/08 (3)
  - That's disgusting (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 22:32:17 06/14/08 (1)
    - If I Had a Hi-Fi..... [nt] - Todd Krieger 00:14:39 06/16/08 (0)
  - Error Alert: should read "Satan, Upsample Asynchronously..." (the rest according to text). N/T - carcass93 18:29:02 06/13/08 (0)
- OOOOOOHHHHHMMMMMM.............. n/t - Awe-d-o-file 15:13:24 06/13/08 (2)
  - RE: OOOOOOHHHHHMMMMMM.............. n/t - Tony Lauck 07:09:21 06/14/08 (0)
  - ROFL!! - Pat D 18:51:26 06/13/08 (0)
- Because I like it. NT - becketma@yahoo.com 15:10:24 06/13/08 (0)
- Gee, am I a fence sitter? - Russ57 14:30:12 06/13/08 (2)
  - RE: Gee, am I a fence sitter? - Pat D 18:29:28 06/13/08 (1)
    - RE: Gee, am I a fence sitter? - bjh 18:42:17 06/13/08 (0)
- Objectivist Mantra=Everything Sounds The Same Except Speakers (nt) - thetubeguy1954 14:03:26 06/13/08 (6)
  - Never heard any audiophile say that in 40+ years -- just a fig newton of your imagination, used to slander others - Richard BassNut Greene 22:05:48 06/14/08 (3)
    - So "everything sounds the same" is slander... - robert young 04:32:15 06/17/08 (0)
    - I take it you don't consider Aczel, AJinFLA and other kooks audiophiles - finally something we agree upon. - carcass93 14:22:34 06/15/08 (1)
      - So far I've only read an Aczel review of Linkwitz's Orion speakers and it seems reasonable to me - Richard BassNut Greene 09:53:53 06/17/08 (0)
  - There is no God but Greiner, and Aczel is His Prophet! - Atexanathome 15:14:14 06/14/08 (1)
    - What a troika! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:51:08 06/15/08 (0)
- Not sure what subjectivists would chant but..... - Ugly 13:59:42 06/13/08 (3)
  - RE: Not sure what subjectivists would chant but..... - Analog Scott 20:08:51 06/13/08 (0)
  - You mean, it would consist of just two words - "Scientific Method"? Hey, that's not bad! - carcass93 14:15:56 06/13/08 (1)
    - Try this one...SM-14 rules! - Atexanathome 15:02:17 06/14/08 (0)
- For today, I like... - Enophile 13:29:33 06/13/08 (0)
- I was an audiophile until I found out what they were doing in the recording studio. nt - Dan Banquer 13:04:55 06/13/08 (2)
  - "what they were doing ..." - wait, don't tell me... - carcass93 13:13:38 06/13/08 (1)
    - You can tell it's Friday the 13th when.................nt - Dan Banquer 16:47:17 06/13/08 (0)
- Trust your ears. - bjh 12:57:21 06/13/08 (0)
- I'll play! - kerr 12:44:45 06/13/08 (0)
Since when don't subjectivist level match and do A-B (even blind) testing? - Don T 20:06:38 06/11/08 (46)
- Unless it's instantaneous A/B, I think level matching is needless. - Enophile 10:53:40 06/13/08 (1)
  - Most shoot outs or comparisons at shows are instantaneous, but generally I agree. nt - Norm 11:50:19 06/13/08 (0)
- RE: Since when don't subjectivist level match and do A-B (even blind) testing? - morricab 06:03:18 06/13/08 (1)
  - My long term listening test sometimes become "blind" - Don T 09:01:06 06/13/08 (0)
- It Never Crosses Their Minds...... - Todd Krieger 23:59:20 06/12/08 (18)
  - Are you implying that objectivists don't enjoy music? If not then what's your point - Don T 08:49:45 06/13/08 (17)
    - Relax there Donny Boy! - bjh 12:18:55 06/13/08 (0)
    - His point seems simple - Analog Scott 09:15:55 06/13/08 (15)
      - RE: the corollary - mls-stl 12:07:25 06/13/08 (14)
        
        Yea but one would hope that an "audiophile" was more interested in just shopping! - Don T 17:25:27 06/13/08 (0)
        
        RE: the corollary - Analog Scott 13:39:17 06/13/08 (5)
        
        RE: I agree... - mls-stl 15:02:16 06/13/08 (4)
        
        RE: I agree... - Analog Scott 19:31:44 06/13/08 (2)
        
        RE: perspective matters... - mls-stl 21:03:29 06/13/08 (1)
        
        RE: perspective matters... - Analog Scott 11:21:21 06/16/08 (0)
        
        I consider myself a subjectivist and I agee.... - Don T 17:36:13 06/13/08 (0)
        
        Your post might be deemed clever - bjh 12:34:21 06/13/08 (5)
        
        RE: interesting... - mls-stl 13:17:25 06/13/08 (4)
        
        RE: interesting... - bjh 13:54:43 06/13/08 (0)
        
        "validation of those methods as something more than a personal preference" - I never saw ANYONE seeking... - carcass93 13:25:05 06/13/08 (2)
        
        RE: it is always fascinating... - mls-stl 14:30:52 06/13/08 (1)
        
        The problem seems to be... - kerr 06:22:11 06/15/08 (0)
        
        RE: that's a good one -nt - theaudiohobby 12:23:07 06/13/08 (0)
- RE: Since when don't subjectivist level match and do A-B (even blind) testing? - Awe-d-o-file 17:35:59 06/12/08 (0)
- Don't get out much it seems. - bjh 08:02:03 06/12/08 (9)
  - "differences between ... two interconnects come down to level..." - that's what RBNG is droning about ,... - carcass93 08:36:25 06/12/08 (8)
    - Too bad you don't read carefully -- I never said that - Richard BassNut Greene 13:14:08 06/12/08 (1)
      - When RBNG says that I'm "100% wrong, as usual" - I take it as a compliment. - carcass93 13:29:45 06/12/08 (0)
    - RE: "differences between ... two interconnects come down to level..." - that's what RBNG is droning about ,... - bjh 08:53:36 06/12/08 (5)
      - "in fact takes a very shape mind to analyze properly " - Richard BassNut Greene 13:21:57 06/12/08 (4)
        
        RE: "in fact takes a very shape mind to analyze properly " - bjh 12:47:45 06/13/08 (0)
        
        I hate to nit-pick, but "simple woid" - did you mean "simple void", like that one... - carcass93 13:35:05 06/12/08 (2)
        
        Not bad....Did bjh hire you as his ... - Richard BassNut Greene 13:44:32 06/12/08 (1)
        
        Yeah, I know - it's pretty good. - carcass93 13:49:46 06/12/08 (0)
- Since it became a figment of some peoples' imaginations. nt - Norm 07:28:39 06/12/08 (0)
- have never seen level matching in an audio store in 40+ years and rarely at home - Richard BassNut Greene 07:24:43 06/12/08 (0)
- First, let's see who here performs DBT's on all or even half their purchases - kerr 07:21:48 06/12/08 (9)
  - I do A-B comparisons all the time. No way can I do DBTs. - Don T 08:00:00 06/12/08 (1)
    - Long term A-B's - kerr 08:07:50 06/12/08 (0)
  - I do - Richard BassNut Greene 07:36:26 06/12/08 (6)
    - You are funny - Analog Scott 20:00:57 06/12/08 (4)
      - I've developed a new posting technique that allows me to tell you everything you need to know in four words - Richard BassNut Greene 22:15:47 06/14/08 (3)
        
        I guess my question really hurt so I'll ask it again - Analog Scott 08:09:44 06/16/08 (2)
        
        I have no bias toward everything sounds the same -- never said it or believed it in 40+ years - Richard BassNut Greene 09:50:21 06/17/08 (1)
        
        You are being funny again - Analog Scott 15:25:17 06/17/08 (0)
    - Yeah, me too! - kerr 07:53:57 06/12/08 (0)
Audio and placebo - Lambda 11:00:00 06/09/08 (96)
- "First, the placebo effect is not powerful" "bias can be overcome if the listeners are honest with themselves" - Richard BassNut Greene 08:19:50 06/10/08 (86)
  - Mental & emotional state of the tester? - FenderLover 14:51:50 06/11/08 (0)
  - I was deprived of a placebo as a child, - bjh 12:04:59 06/11/08 (0)
  - What "placebo"? Are we audiophiles all sick? - cheap-Jack 08:13:07 06/11/08 (0)
  - RE: "First, the placebo effect is not powerful" "bias can be overcome if the listeners are honest with themselves" - thetubeguy1954 08:11:47 06/11/08 (31)
    - RE: You continue... - mls-stl 15:40:33 06/11/08 (16)
      - And You've Revealed Some Things About Yourself. - thetubeguy1954 18:41:00 06/11/08 (15)
        
        RE: goodness... - mls-stl 18:57:41 06/11/08 (14)
        
        O c'mon - Analog Scott 10:49:06 06/13/08 (6)
        
        RE: a quick Google search... - mls-stl 13:17:34 06/14/08 (5)
        
        RE: a quick Google search..."brought up 426,000 hits for the search term "subconscious bias." - Analog Scott 12:08:57 06/16/08 (4)
        
        RE: an online Harvard test - mls-stl 13:23:16 06/16/08 (3)
        
        RE: an online Harvard test - Analog Scott 14:22:21 06/16/08 (2)
        
        RE: like I said... - mls-stl 14:35:56 06/16/08 (1)
        
        Straighten out a group of psychologists? - Analog Scott 14:47:38 06/16/08 (0)
        
        "...did you miss your aggression management class today? " - Richard BassNut Greene 08:09:42 06/12/08 (0)
        
        RE: goodness... - thetubeguy1954 06:48:49 06/12/08 (0)
        
        Subconscious biases - Lambda 05:25:14 06/12/08 (4)
        
        Subconscious? - Analog Scott 10:52:09 06/13/08 (0)
        
        RE: Subconscious biases - mls-stl 09:33:26 06/12/08 (2)
        
        RE: Subconscious biases - Lambda 13:23:18 06/12/08 (1)
        
        It's worse than that--some biases are simply built in. - Pat D 15:07:48 06/12/08 (0)
    - DING DING DING - Errors found in post ...Errors found in post ...Errors found in post ...Errors found in post - Richard BassNut Greene 09:38:38 06/11/08 (11)
      - DING DING DING -Is The Sound Of Bells In Your Head! - thetubeguy1954 12:14:55 06/11/08 (10)
        
        RE: DING DING DING -Is The Sound Of Bells In Your Head! - morricab 14:29:50 06/11/08 (9)
        
        Or clinking of a bottle and a glass in his hand ... N/T - carcass93 16:22:25 06/11/08 (8)
        
        Is there glass in my bottle? ... I better drinking stop. (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 07:41:23 06/12/08 (6)
        
        I would rather have a bottle in front of me than your frontal lobatomy! - morricab 06:05:48 06/13/08 (1)
        
        It's spelled "L-O-B-O-T-O-M-Y" --- apparently you speak from experience? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:47:47 06/13/08 (0)
        
        No, no glass there... only that piss that causes you to hallucinate and post nonsense here. N/T - carcass93 09:05:05 06/12/08 (3)
        
        I'm going to defend RBNG! - kerr 09:35:33 06/12/08 (2)
        
        How do you know? May be he's one of those... - carcass93 09:58:19 06/12/08 (1)
        
        That's Mondo Repulsivo, man! - kerr 11:01:43 06/12/08 (0)
        
        Or Possibly It's The Sound Of His Few Remaining Marbles Banging Around? N/T - thetubeguy1954 18:44:51 06/11/08 (0)
    - I don't set max price points for listening, only for purchasing. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:14:08 06/11/08 (1)
      - That's What I Meant Clark (nt) - thetubeguy1954 08:39:29 06/11/08 (0)
  - Your comment about hearing a difference when compared with itself is only DBTs which are invalid. - Norm 20:38:10 06/10/08 (0)
  - The Bureau of Incomplete Statistics... - robert young 15:47:45 06/10/08 (15)
    - Posted by the head of the Bureau of I Know What I Hear Because I Say So That's Why - Richard BassNut Greene 10:02:40 06/11/08 (12)
      - Did you ever bother to question the validity... - robert young 11:34:56 06/11/08 (0)
      - A forced choice test... - Tony Lauck 11:20:50 06/11/08 (10)
        
        A same different test is an inferior methodology used by a buffoon named Atkinson who claims to be an expert - Richard BassNut Greene 07:55:13 06/12/08 (6)
        
        RE: A same different test is an inferior methodology used by a buffoon named Atkinson who claims to be an expe - Tony Lauck 08:06:28 06/12/08 (5)
        
        The inferior methodology allowed us to see the effect of a specific audiophile bias - Richard BassNut Greene 08:20:18 06/12/08 (4)
        
        Your logic is impeccable. - Tony Lauck 08:59:43 06/12/08 (3)
        
        Your logic does not exist. And I do not have beliefs -- that's you.... I use data to support conclusions - Richard BassNut Greene 13:41:51 06/12/08 (2)
        
        RE: Your logic does not exist. And I do not have beliefs -- that's you.... I use data to support conclusions - Tony Lauck 14:53:53 06/12/08 (1)
        
        RE: Your logic does not exist. And I do not have beliefs -- that's you.... I use data to support conclusions - Pat D 19:53:46 06/21/08 (0)
        
        I'm glad to see someone gets this - kerr 11:25:32 06/11/08 (2)
        
        Your post proves that YOU don't - Richard BassNut Greene 08:06:21 06/12/08 (1)
        
        I also post that I can hear diffs in cables. Is that proof, too? - kerr 13:05:43 06/12/08 (0)
    - They're right down the hall from the Department of Redundancy Department :-) (nt) - andy_c 17:15:38 06/10/08 (1)
      - And that Redundancy place, too. (nt) - robert young 18:09:13 06/10/08 (0)
  - There is some evidence suggesting that... - LarryB 15:31:34 06/10/08 (1)
    - Here's a NY Times article... - LarryB 15:33:34 06/10/08 (0)
  - My statement about overcoming bias is indeed too strong - Lambda 10:30:32 06/10/08 (0)
  - Just outta curiosity... - FenderLover 09:57:47 06/10/08 (29)
    - I sort of did this once out of curiosity - tomsyl1 18:17:11 06/10/08 (2)
      - "Anyway, inconclusive statistically but maybe interesting. " - Analog Scott 15:21:43 06/11/08 (0)
      - interesting... - FenderLover 14:41:45 06/11/08 (0)
    - The golden ears would be screaming - Richard BassNut Greene 13:48:04 06/10/08 (25)
      - RE: The golden ears would be screaming - rick_m 15:48:34 06/10/08 (0)
      - You keep using that "Golden Ears" term that nobody uses, besides you and crazy deaf bitter old man Aczel,... - carcass93 14:37:33 06/10/08 (23)
        
        The antonym... - kerr 04:44:48 06/11/08 (3)
        
        Actually The Antonym Is Tin Ears. - thetubeguy1954 18:55:45 06/11/08 (0)
        
        SILLIY? That was my best joke in years, as confirmed by double-deaf testing! - carcass93 05:42:12 06/11/08 (1)
        
        Objectivist??!?!? - kerr 05:53:12 06/11/08 (0)
        
        Maybe he reads "The Absolute Sound" which has "Golden Ear Awards" - Pat D 16:33:54 06/10/08 (18)
        
        Well, my guess is he doesn't - and that term is not sourced from TAS. - carcass93 18:51:45 06/10/08 (14)
        
        Guess again! - Pat D 19:21:24 06/10/08 (13)
        
        Wow that's a really important point. no wonder you are so emotional about it. - Analog Scott 15:24:17 06/11/08 (9)
        
        It was his point and he was wrong about it. What are you getting so huffy about? (nt) - Pat D 16:10:06 06/11/08 (8)
        
        You think that was "huffy?" - Analog Scott 17:30:25 06/11/08 (0)
        
        He wasn't wrong, you were. - robert young 16:44:17 06/11/08 (6)
        
        Nonsense - Pat D 15:01:32 06/12/08 (5)
        
        are you serious??? - robert young 14:06:32 06/13/08 (2)
        
        Why don't you ask that of those who made the mistake? - Pat D 18:15:51 06/13/08 (1)
        
        How have you "objectively" arrived at the conclusion... - robert young 07:44:14 06/14/08 (0)
        
        "proposing false characteristics to an opponent in a controversy is not necessarily a good way to make a joke" - Analog Scott 11:29:45 06/13/08 (1)
        
        He obviously can't get relief by conventional means... N/T - carcass93 12:44:47 06/13/08 (0)
        
        Your turn - robert young 03:20:33 06/11/08 (1)
        
        Golden ears are so 50's and passe'... - rick_m 06:52:29 06/11/08 (0)
        
        You're not turning AJ on us, are you? I kind of feel something scary in your tone... N/T - carcass93 19:35:03 06/10/08 (0)
        
        RE: Maybe he reads "The Absolute Sound" which has "Golden Ear Awards" - Analog Scott 16:55:34 06/10/08 (2)
        
        RE: Maybe he reads "The Absolute Sound" which has "Golden Ear Awards" - Pat D 19:08:23 06/10/08 (1)
        
        I changed my mind about the award for you - yours has been upgraded... - carcass93 19:31:22 06/10/08 (0)
  - You need an online janitor to clean up all your messes - Analog Scott 09:09:27 06/10/08 (0)
- RE: Audio and placebo - Todd Krieger 00:50:58 06/10/08 (0)
- RE: Audio and placebo - tomservo 19:05:19 06/09/08 (4)
  - Are you sure? - Analog Scott 09:18:19 06/10/08 (0)
  - Why is anyone concerned in audio? - Norm 07:38:12 06/10/08 (0)
  - RE: Audio and placebo - Lambda 05:09:13 06/10/08 (1)
    - You make a good point - Analog Scott 12:32:19 06/10/08 (0)
- Placebo affect can apply to audio - Lynn 18:26:30 06/09/08 (2)
  - RE: Placebo affect can apply to audio - Lambda 18:54:55 06/09/08 (1)
    - 'I find it hard to believe that McIntosh (for example) doesn't have a "trademark sound".' - Lynn 19:58:05 06/09/08 (0)
Why is it so scary to think that one was deluded? - Dr. Philosophy 13:40:27 06/05/08 (80)
- Some possible misunderstandings here ... - Dr. Philosophy 10:03:24 06/09/08 (0)
- It's a double edged knife. - Don T 12:05:02 06/07/08 (48)
  - disagree, no delusion ... - TBone 09:52:54 06/09/08 (1)
    - You are neither defending your own methods or attacking the methods of others. - Don T 11:55:57 06/09/08 (0)
  - Yep, it always amazes me that some do not realize this. - Norm 08:01:44 06/08/08 (45)
    - Blind comparisons are used by audiophiles interested solely in sound quality - Richard BassNut Greene 13:15:20 06/08/08 (44)
      - Those Pesky Subjective Audiophiles Don't Even Bother Comparing Components Playing Music At The Same SPLs! - thetubeguy1954 09:45:18 06/09/08 (17)
        
        Richard already knows EVERYTHING from reading The Audio Critic. - carcass93 10:37:25 06/09/08 (8)
        
        I've never read one page of the The Audio Critic -- is anything available online? - Richard BassNut Greene 10:14:03 06/11/08 (7)
        
        While reading, keep in mind their tagline of "Accountability in Audio Journalism" - kerr 11:27:49 06/11/08 (0)
        
        You bet! - andy_c 11:13:40 06/11/08 (5)
        
        Why is it free? The "What They Say About Us" quotes are impressive" - Richard BassNut Greene 08:26:59 06/12/08 (4)
        
        The quotes date back to his print days - Atexanathome 17:10:21 06/12/08 (0)
        
        Because the price reflects its intrinsic value - kerr 08:54:11 06/12/08 (2)
        
        Another good source of audio amusement is... - andy_c 10:49:51 06/12/08 (1)
        
        Thank you 1000 times! - kerr 10:56:27 06/12/08 (0)
        
        RE: Those Pesky Subjective Audiophiles Don't Even Bother Comparing Components Playing Music At The Same SPLs! - Don T 10:14:04 06/09/08 (7)
        
        You should take the time to prove it to yourself. - Don T 19:49:53 06/11/08 (0)
        
        Just What I'd Expect.... - thetubeguy1954 14:22:15 06/09/08 (5)
        
        That's easy one Tom - Don T 18:32:51 06/09/08 (4)
        
        RE: That's easy one Tom - thetubeguy1954 12:22:52 06/11/08 (3)
        
        It would be of great benefit for everyone to prove it for themselves - it's no big deal. - Don T 19:51:00 06/11/08 (2)
        
        So After All This I'm Really Not Wrong You Just Disagreed? - thetubeguy1954 07:13:08 06/12/08 (1)
        
        No I'm not wrong but now I'm not sure we even disagree - Don T 08:53:04 06/14/08 (0)
      - All you have in common with "objectivists," as the term is normally used is DBTs. - Norm 07:15:31 06/09/08 (4)
        
        " I would never think of ignoring the relative loudness when comparing two components" - Richard BassNut Greene 09:30:30 06/09/08 (3)
        
        Of course, and I do. I doubt if many would ignore this. nt - Norm 18:19:37 06/09/08 (0)
        
        That's Because You Listen To Components Unlike You Listen To Music. - thetubeguy1954 09:57:02 06/09/08 (1)
        
        Alas, sometimes Richard can be right.... - Tony Lauck 12:17:20 06/09/08 (0)
      - 3 strawmen and delusions of royalty. - robert young 03:10:06 06/09/08 (10)
        
        "You're on quite a roll, RG." = Thank you for the complment... Care to join my fan club? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:33:01 06/09/08 (9)
        
        RE: "You're on quite a roll, RG." = Thank you for the complment... Care to join my fan club? - kerr 05:21:25 06/10/08 (0)
        
        Sign me up! - robert young 03:14:48 06/10/08 (2)
        
        I hired Teresa from Central Casting - Richard BassNut Greene 08:26:23 06/10/08 (1)
        
        You are both extremists. - robert young 08:32:59 06/10/08 (0)
        
        I'm starting to understand something about you, Richard. - robert young 09:46:41 06/09/08 (4)
        
        Short Bus = Character Attack - Tony Lauck 11:59:54 06/09/08 (3)
        
        That's exactly what I stated. (nt) - robert young 12:41:59 06/09/08 (2)
        
        RE: That's exactly what I stated. (nt) - Tony Lauck 13:00:21 06/09/08 (1)
        
        Thanks Tony! - robert young 13:05:58 06/09/08 (0)
      - Why do you keep saying "we?" - Analog Scott 13:42:33 06/08/08 (9)
        
        You wouldn't know an objective test if you tripped over one - Richard BassNut Greene 09:37:03 06/09/08 (6)
        
        you wouldn't know your own bias even though you do keep tripping over them - Analog Scott 14:14:44 06/09/08 (0)
        
        Why do you keep posting... - robert young 10:47:03 06/09/08 (4)
        
        I think (MT) would be more appropriate for YOUR posts! - Richard BassNut Greene 16:13:53 06/09/08 (1)
        
        "Mother Theresa?? " That's just weird. (nt) - robert young 16:26:33 06/09/08 (0)
        
        NT as in 'needs trout'? - rick_m 11:39:25 06/09/08 (1)
        
        who said anything about trolling? - robert young 12:44:09 06/09/08 (0)
        
        Or... - E-Stat 06:17:08 06/09/08 (0)
        
        A-ha! - kerr 18:22:54 06/08/08 (0)
- Yeah, Marilyn sure scored big on that one! - clarkjohnsen 09:51:21 06/07/08 (1)
  - Surprised that you write to Marilyn vos Savant? Not surprised at all! - Enophile 11:36:00 06/08/08 (0)
- Who Said or Implied That It Was Scary? This Digresses From the Real Point.... - Todd Krieger 01:52:17 06/06/08 (0)
- Doing your homework is worthwhile. - Al Sekela 15:05:37 06/05/08 (24)
  - You misread the post, I think - Dr. Philosophy 07:38:18 06/06/08 (8)
    - The fruitfulness of the connection with audio still eludes me. - Al Sekela 09:55:19 06/07/08 (5)
      - RE: The fruitfulness of the connection with audio still eludes me. - Tony Lauck 07:20:44 06/09/08 (1)
        
        RE: Subjective accuracy. - rick_m 08:38:48 06/09/08 (0)
      - 'the non-argument over measurements versus perception.' - Dr. Philosophy 05:16:09 06/09/08 (1)
        
        measurements versus perception - Al Sekela 16:35:41 06/09/08 (0)
      - RE: The fruitfulness of the connection with audio still eludes me. - rick_m 12:42:19 06/07/08 (0)
    - "Analog Scott is exactly right" - Richard BassNut Greene 11:59:51 06/06/08 (1)
      - RE: "Analog Scott is exactly right" - Analog Scott 09:28:43 06/07/08 (0)
  - RE: Doing your homework is worthwhile. - Analog Scott 15:18:22 06/05/08 (14)
    - "Seems to me all the info needed to solve the problem is actually stated. " - Al Sekela 09:49:16 06/07/08 (6)
      - RE: "Seems to me all the info needed to solve the problem is actually stated. " - Analog Scott 10:56:38 06/07/08 (5)
        
        Actually Al is correct ... - Dr. Philosophy 05:26:28 06/09/08 (4)
        
        i hate to correct you on this one but... - Analog Scott 07:55:06 06/09/08 (3)
        
        ouch! ok ... then - Dr. Philosophy 09:52:36 06/09/08 (2)
        
        The host's behavior is still assumed. - Al Sekela 16:30:47 06/09/08 (1)
        
        well yeah but... - Analog Scott 17:15:16 06/09/08 (0)
    - "Lets say you do this 99 times your first guess will be right 33 out of 99 times. that is a statistical fact." - Richard BassNut Greene 12:08:46 06/06/08 (5)
      - RE: "Lets say you do this 99 times your first guess will be right 33 out of 99 times. that is a statistical fact." - Analog Scott 09:31:09 06/07/08 (2)
        
        Probable results and actual results may differ - Richard BassNut Greene 11:46:39 06/07/08 (1)
        
        RE: Probable results and actual results may differ - Analog Scott 12:08:02 06/07/08 (0)
      - It's pretty obvious what his meaning was... - bjh 12:17:13 06/06/08 (1)
        
        Maybe the contestant wants a goat? - Richard BassNut Greene 12:24:07 06/06/08 (0)
    - RE: Doing your homework is worthwhile. - bjh 11:58:50 06/06/08 (0)
- RE: Why is it so scary to think that one was deluded? - Analog Scott 14:09:48 06/05/08 (1)
  - Never mind , figured it out. Very sublime - Analog Scott 14:54:37 06/05/08 (0)

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