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Battery Pack and Charger for Trends UD10... - Nirmala

The emotional trigger in audio and music - FenderLover 00:21:31 12/18/07 (9)
- illustrate the point - FenderLover 00:35:59 12/18/07 (8)
  - Dye Her Hair Black or Dark Brown First Then.... - thetubeguy1954 10:37:35 12/18/07 (3)
    - I guess my paraphrasing - E-Stat 14:05:10 12/18/07 (1)
      - Well, there's one way to tell. - FenderLover 14:23:23 12/18/07 (0)
    - cool answer! In any event if I woke up next to... - FenderLover 13:09:29 12/18/07 (0)
  - Nice, but - E-Stat 06:39:45 12/18/07 (3)
    - RE: Nice, but - JB 08:52:43 12/18/07 (2)
      - Eyebrows -nt - E-Stat 14:53:10 12/18/07 (1)
        
        I'll Even Submit To SBT Provided.... - thetubeguy1954 06:45:14 12/19/07 (0)
Electron spin direction - becketma@yahoo.com 13:39:09 12/16/07 (54)
- Try listening up-side-down, and let us know - Jay Buridan 07:55:41 12/18/07 (0)
- RE: Electron spin direction - Todd Krieger 23:35:24 12/16/07 (0)
- Electron spin direction in audio use (maybe) - FenderLover 23:17:05 12/16/07 (1)
  - With More Free Radicals....... - Todd Krieger 23:37:56 12/16/07 (0)
- If audiophiles can hear Ghz tweeters, silver, cd transports, insulation color, hat racks, power cords - AJinFLA 17:54:37 12/16/07 (47)
  - RE: If audiophiles can hear Ghz tweeters, silver, cd transports, insulation color, hat racks, power cords - becketma@yahoo.com 20:30:51 12/16/07 (4)
    - RE: If audiophiles can hear Ghz tweeters, silver, cd transports, insulation color, hat racks, power cords - AJinFLA 18:12:28 12/17/07 (3)
      - RE: If audiophiles can hear Ghz tweeters, silver, cd transports, insulation color, hat racks, power cords - becketma@yahoo.com 21:19:38 12/17/07 (2)
        
        Perhaps this further reponse will provide some clarity? - AJinFLA 17:36:18 12/18/07 (1)
        
        RE: Perhaps this further reponse will provide some clarity? - becketma@yahoo.com 20:21:42 12/18/07 (0)
  - So you can't even "hear" cd transports? Man, it's even worse than I thought. - carcass93 18:27:52 12/16/07 (41)
    - Nope. Can't hear ghosts either. Or run 100m in less than 10 seconds when no one is watching - AJinFLA 18:16:25 12/17/07 (3)
      - Here is a video of a famous audiophile - andy_c 11:22:38 12/18/07 (2)
        
        Perhaps crickets can step forward as Audiophile hearing demonstration witnesses? - AJinFLA 17:43:20 12/18/07 (1)
        
        Quite :-) (nt) - andy_c 18:21:24 12/18/07 (0)
    - That's true -- it is worse than you thought. ..... Audiophiles have great difficulty proving hearing abilities ... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:43:31 12/17/07 (36)
      - It IS worse than I thought! Audiophools Have Great Difficulty Believing Others Can H - thetubeguy1954 14:20:37 12/17/07 (27)
        
        "A Rational Subjectivist " -- are you kidding a rational audiophile exixts? - Richard BassNut Greene 14:47:42 12/17/07 (26)
        
        Richard, why don't you offer the Grand Prize for such claimed accomplishments? - AJinFLA 17:26:49 12/18/07 (0)
        
        RE: "A Rational Subjectivist " -- are you kidding a rational audiophile exixts? - thetubeguy1954 13:58:59 12/18/07 (0)
        
        Another smoke screen - robert young 17:12:24 12/17/07 (23)
        
        RE: Another smoke screen - Pat D 21:03:10 12/18/07 (1)
        
        No need. - robert young 04:55:57 12/19/07 (0)
        
        "Everything sounds different" is the heart and soul (myth) of high end Golden Ear audiophiles - Richard BassNut Greene 07:48:46 12/18/07 (20)
        
        "Everything Sounds Different" Is The Heart & Soul (untruth) Behind RBG's Belief About Subjectivist Audiophiles - thetubeguy1954 06:38:18 12/19/07 (9)
        
        Thanks for helping me make my point! -- "Everything makes a difference" is 1st commandment of the Audio Amish - Richard BassNut Greene 13:03:42 12/19/07 (8)
        
        That's Not Even Close To What I Said - thetubeguy1954 17:49:24 12/19/07 (6)
        
        So now I have to read your posts BEFORE I reply to them? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:54:26 12/20/07 (0)
        
        I don't think he's making it up, TG. - robert young 07:15:54 12/20/07 (4)
        
        That was a brilliant description of a Golden Ear -- thanks for reposting it - Richard BassNut Greene 09:37:42 12/20/07 (3)
        
        "I liked you better when you were a movie star Young" - robert young 09:39:17 12/20/07 (2)
        
        RE: "I liked you better when you were a movie star Young" - Richard BassNut Greene 09:53:20 12/20/07 (1)
        
        Ah yes, Robin Hood. - robert young 09:58:35 12/20/07 (0)
        
        More straw man, I bet you live in Kansas - Sordidman 17:27:52 12/19/07 (0)
        
        No, no - it's "Everything Makes A Difference" - andy_c 20:10:42 12/18/07 (0)
        
        You're obfuscating again, RBNG. - robert young 12:07:40 12/18/07 (8)
        
        "Obfuscating again?" - Richard BassNut Greene 14:32:20 12/18/07 (7)
        
        When are you going to let go of this "golden ear" thing that doesn't exist? -t - Sordidman 17:08:36 12/18/07 (6)
        
        If one looks like a golden ear, talks like a golden ear, and buys components like a golden ear .... - Richard BassNut Greene 14:28:59 12/19/07 (5)
        
        If It Looks Like A Golden Ear, Talks Like A Golden Ear, & Acts Like A Golden Ear. Richard Is Dreaming Again! - thetubeguy1954 18:29:55 12/19/07 (3)
        
        RE: If It Looks Like A Golden Ear, Talks Like A Golden Ear, & Acts Like A Golden Ear. Richard Is Dreaming Agai - bwaslo 16:22:09 12/21/07 (0)
        
        RE: If It Looks Like A Golden Ear, Talks Like A Golden Ear, & Acts Like A Golden Ear. Richard Is Dreaming Agai - bwaslo 21:32:11 12/20/07 (1)
        
        RE: If It Looks Like A Golden Ear, Talks Like A Golden Ear, & Acts Like A Golden Ear. Richard Is Dreaming Agai - thetubeguy1954 14:11:58 12/21/07 (0)
        
        Oh, so it's your arbitrary, without evidence or facts, decision?.. - Sordidman 17:08:39 12/19/07 (0)
      - I sincerely hope you have all your thesises stored in a file on hard drive,... - carcass93 09:09:58 12/17/07 (2)
        
        Now you take carcass93 - Richard BassNut Greene 09:24:14 12/17/07 (1)
        
        What's that? Can you clarify? N/T - carcass93 09:47:14 12/17/07 (0)
      - "everything sounds different" - rick_m 09:04:43 12/17/07 (3)
        
        "everything tastes different" - Richard BassNut Greene 09:22:28 12/17/07 (2)
        
        Joke Of The Day - thetubeguy1954 14:14:51 12/18/07 (0)
        
        Believing your belief = reality is just a belief. - rick_m 08:49:27 12/18/07 (0)
      - RE: That's true -- it is worse than you thought. ..... Audiophiles have great difficulty proving hearing abilities ... - morricab 07:46:59 12/17/07 (0)
- See news item on Physics Today site. - Al Sekela 16:21:40 12/16/07 (1)
  - RE: See news item on Physics Today site. - becketma@yahoo.com 20:23:01 12/16/07 (0)
The "moderation" is totally out of hand. - truthseekerprime 21:33:06 12/15/07 (0)
Burn-in IC between Preamp and Amp with the Amp - ytb402@msn.com 09:51:16 12/15/07 (5)
- Feeling a little masochistic today? - bjh 10:13:30 12/15/07 (4)
  - That post is quite appropriate for an Audio Asylum - AJinFLA 07:46:39 12/16/07 (3)
    - Aside from the strange notion of "reverting back" (can one revert forward?), I think bjh refers to the tone - Norm 08:09:59 12/16/07 (2)
      - "This is the interface between those who must be convinced and those who just listen." Yes, I know - AJinFLA 08:29:00 12/16/07 (1)
        
        "fantasy and reality" These are certainly words to lead to discussion. My posts aren't for your edification n - Norm 09:55:43 12/16/07 (0)
Administrivia: OK, OK, some of the moderators will be more proactive here - Ted Smith 08:46:00 12/15/07 (219)
- Too Heavy-Handed, IMO.............. - Todd Krieger 20:03:07 12/17/07 (2)
  - Well one reason we are being more active is that people are complaining. - Ted Smith 21:09:32 12/17/07 (1)
    - I Get Your Point..... - Todd Krieger 07:19:59 12/18/07 (0)
- One of the funniest threads of all times - I enjoyed it thoroughly. - carcass93 17:46:53 12/16/07 (4)
  - RE: One of the funniest threads of all times - I enjoyed it thoroughly. - Ted Smith 18:06:41 12/16/07 (3)
    - So, the answer is - he did neither, and that was, and is, fine with everybody. - carcass93 18:22:37 12/16/07 (0)
    - Defence? - AJinFLA 18:18:58 12/16/07 (1)
      - defeat of dehorse went over defence before detail [nt] - Ted Smith 18:37:45 12/16/07 (0)
- This has been a most illuminating thread - E-Stat 14:49:51 12/16/07 (0)
- RE: I gotta hand to you guys... - theaudiohobby 10:35:27 12/16/07 (194)
  - This issue isn't his "technical" proficiency - Sordidman 13:39:55 12/18/07 (3)
    - I imply that people cannot hear ghosts, spot unicorns or run 100m in 9 seconds flat, despite their claims of - AJinFLA 17:51:04 12/18/07 (2)
      - or apply any sort of reason, logic, or science........ nt - Sordidman 17:10:59 12/19/07 (1)
        
        ..to your audiophile beliefs no. None needed. (nt) - AJinFLA 17:47:29 12/19/07 (0)
  - I've Disagreed With You on a Lot of Topics..... But...... - Todd Krieger 20:14:36 12/17/07 (0)
  - His choice, not ours - Ted Smith 10:47:00 12/16/07 (187)
    - Whose lies and retractions you guys worry about? - tlyyra 11:54:19 12/16/07 (174)
      - Yes I have stopped beating my wife... - John Atkinson 15:26:56 12/16/07 (9)
        
        RE: Yes I have stopped beating my wife... - tlyyra 04:13:08 12/17/07 (8)
        
        RE: Yes I have stopped beating my wife... - John Atkinson 16:33:46 12/17/07 (7)
        
        What a clever way to commit an auto-da-fe! - tlyyra 06:29:41 12/18/07 (6)
        
        "You are banned..." Misquote! - bjh 07:19:35 12/18/07 (5)
        
        Yes, exactly as you say: He was banned. Thanx for confirmation. - tlyyra 10:50:52 12/18/07 (4)
        
        You must be kidding. - robert young 12:17:17 12/18/07 (3)
        
        RE: "slanderous and unsubstantiated statements" - tlyyra 13:37:56 12/18/07 (1)
        
        Pssst - E-Stat 14:36:32 12/18/07 (0)
        
        There's just no talking to the lad! - bjh 12:41:39 12/18/07 (0)
      - Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - bjh 13:30:27 12/16/07 (155)
        
        RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - andy_c 09:03:46 12/17/07 (130)
        
        RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - rdf 09:30:04 12/17/07 (4)
        
        RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - andy_c 09:40:15 12/17/07 (3)
        
        RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - tlyyra 09:43:26 12/17/07 (2)
        
        RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - andy_c 09:55:48 12/17/07 (1)
        
        RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - tlyyra 10:04:11 12/17/07 (0)
        
        BTW... - bjh 09:26:39 12/17/07 (3)
        
        Atkinson has been offered many chances to set the record straight. - tlyyra 09:52:31 12/17/07 (2)
        
        What does he have to set straight? If he examines what he wrote - bjh 10:48:13 12/17/07 (1)
        
        Blessed be the faithful. - tlyyra 11:04:22 12/17/07 (0)
        
        I seems clear to me that Atkinson *was not in error* based upon the relevant quote. - bjh 09:21:58 12/17/07 (119)
        
        RE: "I believe..." - tlyyra 09:27:14 12/17/07 (118)
        
        To be entirely clear the Retraction I mention should come from you. - bjh 10:03:31 12/17/07 (117)
        
        RE: To be entirely clear the Retraction I mention should come from you. - John Atkinson 13:56:49 12/17/07 (110)
        
        Would you now also care to point out... - tlyyra 14:07:53 12/17/07 (108)
        
        More Remedial Statistics - John Atkinson 14:35:18 12/17/07 (107)
        
        Thank you. - tlyyra 15:12:38 12/17/07 (10)
        
        RE: Thank you. - John Atkinson 16:26:12 12/17/07 (1)
        
        RE: Thank you. - tlyyra 17:07:52 12/17/07 (0)
        
        Yes or No session... - bjh 15:25:55 12/17/07 (7)
        
        Nice, thanks for helping out. - tlyyra 15:52:46 12/17/07 (6)
        
        RE: Nice, thanks for helping out. - bjh 16:35:11 12/17/07 (5)
        
        The lesson learned is simply that... - tlyyra 17:22:15 12/17/07 (4)
        
        A story about a manufacturing engineer I used to work with... - andy_c 09:16:22 12/18/07 (1)
        
        Good one... :-) - tlyyra 10:55:43 12/18/07 (0)
        
        Well at least I would have to say that ... - bjh 17:39:28 12/17/07 (1)
        
        Now I'll put it really simply. - tlyyra 03:40:40 12/18/07 (0)
        
        RE: More Remedial Statistics - andy_c 14:45:43 12/17/07 (95)
        
        RE: More Remedial Statistics - rdf 15:22:44 12/17/07 (94)
        
        RE: More Remedial Statistics - andy_c 15:59:28 12/17/07 (11)
        
        RE: More Remedial Statistics - rdf 18:10:37 12/17/07 (4)
        
        Does it say ANYWHERE in the BASS article... - tlyyra 02:24:19 12/18/07 (2)
        
        RE: Does it say ANYWHERE in the BASS article... - rdf 08:02:35 12/18/07 (1)
        
        RE: Does it say ANYWHERE in the BASS article... - tlyyra 11:24:32 12/18/07 (0)
        
        RE: More Remedial Statistics - andy_c 18:36:48 12/17/07 (0)
        
        If I may add one more explanatory note re: that "circumstantial" connection. - tlyyra 16:18:14 12/17/07 (5)
        
        Understood. - andy_c 16:29:04 12/17/07 (4)
        
        That would indeed be great. - tlyyra 17:26:08 12/17/07 (3)
        
        RE: That would indeed be great. - andy_c 17:58:40 12/17/07 (2)
        
        OK, though I'm not sure what's still uncertain. - tlyyra 02:29:02 12/18/07 (1)
        
        RE: OK, though I'm not sure what's still uncertain. - andy_c 07:50:33 12/18/07 (0)
        
        More stuff if interested. - tlyyra 15:35:15 12/17/07 (81)
        
        "...in plain olde English. " - robert young 17:24:16 12/17/07 (80)
        
        RE: "...in plain olde English. " - John Atkinson 03:56:17 12/18/07 (42)
        
        Then it seems neither do you. - tlyyra 04:05:59 12/18/07 (41)
        
        RE: Then it seems neither do you. - John Atkinson 08:32:16 12/18/07 (40)
        
        RE: Then it seems neither do you. - tlyyra 12:46:39 12/18/07 (39)
        
        "efforts to undermine the questioner's character" - robert young 13:00:34 12/18/07 (38)
        
        Except that I have not said any of that. - tlyyra 13:09:49 12/18/07 (37)
        
        Au contraire! - bjh 16:49:49 12/18/07 (36)
        
        One more time, but then I won't play your game any more. - tlyyra 02:58:17 12/19/07 (35)
        
        No, that's right. - robert young 05:00:39 12/19/07 (34)
        
        That's your conclusion and I am not objecting. - tlyyra 06:00:30 12/19/07 (33)
        
        " point of grammar????" - robert young 07:58:25 12/19/07 (32)
        
        Point of semantics. - tlyyra 02:59:25 12/20/07 (10)
        
        "Is that all you've got left????". - robert young 05:35:39 12/20/07 (9)
        
        RE: "abuse of language" - tlyyra 06:22:21 12/20/07 (8)
        
        Please help with a clarification. - robert young 07:00:39 12/20/07 (7)
        
        Can you describe what the point would be? - tlyyra 08:19:35 12/20/07 (6)
        
        No, it is at the heart of the point. - robert young 09:35:36 12/20/07 (5)
        
        RE: No, it is at the heart of the point. - John Atkinson 10:54:33 12/20/07 (4)
        
        I believe you were expected to give up a limb, - bjh 13:11:29 12/20/07 (1)
        
        I'm afraid JA stopped patting on your back some time ago already. - tlyyra 13:50:11 12/20/07 (0)
        
        RE: "I have acknowledged that I may have made an error." - tlyyra 11:30:31 12/20/07 (0)
        
        Yes, it's time to move on. Nothing to be gained here. - robert young 11:15:29 12/20/07 (0)
        
        RE: " point of grammar????" - John Atkinson 08:38:22 12/19/07 (20)
        
        "[Your] Assumed Guilt"? Are you trying to become an Audio Asylum martyr? - tlyyra 02:58:14 12/20/07 (17)
        
        Why is this so hard for you?? - robert young 05:30:34 12/20/07 (14)
        
        Just one substantive question left. - tlyyra 06:28:24 12/20/07 (13)
        
        Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - Ted Smith 11:45:16 12/20/07 (0)
        
        RE: Just one substantive question left. - pande 08:40:47 12/20/07 (5)
        
        You are overly dramatic. - tlyyra 08:46:37 12/20/07 (4)
        
        RE: You are overly dramatic. - pande 09:33:57 12/20/07 (3)
        
        So was I... - tlyyra 05:12:23 12/21/07 (2)
        
        RE: So was I... - pande 11:13:02 12/21/07 (1)
        
        Good for you. - tlyyra 10:05:24 12/22/07 (0)
        
        If you believe what you wrote, then you are ... - robert young 06:48:27 12/20/07 (5)
        
        Re: "Intelligent debate..." - tlyyra 06:55:36 12/20/07 (4)
        
        "leave us intelligently debating!" - robert young 06:59:04 12/20/07 (3)
        
        That was a parody, Robert dear. - tlyyra 08:28:27 12/20/07 (1)
        
        All your exclamation points gave away the parody. - robert young 09:29:28 12/20/07 (0)
        
        My only regret is that I wasted my - bjh 07:57:48 12/20/07 (0)
        
        Sigh... - John Atkinson 04:19:30 12/20/07 (1)
        
        RE: Sigh... - tlyyra 05:22:33 12/20/07 (0)
        
        RE: " point of grammar????" - andy_c 19:28:38 12/19/07 (1)
        
        Thanks - John Atkinson 04:22:49 12/20/07 (0)
        
        I rather prefer... - tlyyra 03:12:34 12/18/07 (36)
        
        RE: I rather prefer... - morricab 04:27:23 12/18/07 (35)
        
        According to which thesis? - tlyyra 04:41:14 12/18/07 (34)
        
        It's from your own link!!! - robert young 04:52:27 12/18/07 (33)
        
        "You can't have your cake and eat it too. " No? - bjh 07:04:37 12/18/07 (0)
        
        What are you talking about? - tlyyra 06:22:38 12/18/07 (31)
        
        RE: What are you talking about? - morricab 08:33:44 12/18/07 (30)
        
        Fine. - tlyyra 13:02:15 12/18/07 (29)
        
        RE: Fine. - morricab 02:29:24 12/19/07 (28)
        
        RE: Fine. - tlyyra 03:22:03 12/19/07 (27)
        
        RE: Fine. - morricab 09:03:55 12/19/07 (26)
        
        Debunking / Policing on AA / Correcting Errors - tlyyra 04:12:31 12/20/07 (9)
        
        Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - Ted Smith 11:41:29 12/20/07 (3)
        
        RE: Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - tlyyra 12:09:25 12/20/07 (2)
        
        RE: Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - Ted Smith 12:16:06 12/20/07 (1)
        
        RE: Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - tlyyra 14:03:19 12/20/07 (0)
        
        Correcting Errors - John Atkinson 04:29:46 12/20/07 (4)
        
        Correcting More Errors - tlyyra 05:39:35 12/20/07 (3)
        
        RE: Correcting More Errors - John Atkinson 06:41:51 12/20/07 (2)
        
        Why not just answer the questions? They would settle it all so very quickly. - tlyyra 08:17:37 12/20/07 (1)
        
        I'm only replying so you can't delete it. - robert young 10:14:03 12/20/07 (0)
        
        RE: Fine. - andy_c 20:47:09 12/19/07 (12)
        
        RE: Fine. - morricab 02:19:23 12/20/07 (11)
        
        Yes, you are missing something. - tlyyra 03:25:06 12/20/07 (10)
        
        RE: Yes, you are missing something. - morricab 03:15:50 12/21/07 (9)
        
        'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - tlyyra 04:06:27 12/21/07 (8)
        
        RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - John Atkinson 11:50:25 12/21/07 (6)
        
        RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - tlyyra 11:30:02 12/22/07 (5)
        
        RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - John Atkinson 14:57:16 12/22/07 (4)
        
        RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - tlyyra 05:37:18 12/23/07 (3)
        
        RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - John Atkinson 08:01:18 12/24/07 (2)
        
        "Semantic forests" and still no evidence you can cite? - tlyyra 08:59:06 12/26/07 (1)
        
        More mindreading, it appears - John Atkinson 13:51:11 12/27/07 (0)
        
        RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - morricab 06:23:28 12/21/07 (0)
        
        Objection, Your Honor - bjh 09:37:39 12/19/07 (2)
        
        Right, you have no arguments... - tlyyra 03:27:33 12/20/07 (0)
        
        RE: Objection, Your Honor - morricab 02:16:49 12/20/07 (0)
        
        You can thank member andy_c for the research, - bjh 14:03:47 12/17/07 (0)
        
        Basic math, and another friendly suggestion for you. - tlyyra 10:11:41 12/17/07 (5)
        
        You again need reminding that your charge of "totally false" pertaining to - bjh 10:28:26 12/17/07 (4)
        
        99% instead of 53% is not totally false? - tlyyra 10:46:38 12/17/07 (3)
        
        Remedial Statistics? - John Atkinson 13:49:47 12/17/07 (1)
        
        Is it just me or ... - bjh 15:05:02 12/17/07 (0)
        
        As to the matter at hand I have said all I have to say. However on another point ... - bjh 11:01:41 12/17/07 (0)
        
        Exactly. - tlyyra 09:19:23 12/17/07 (0)
        
        Here's a piece of advise. Or two. - tlyyra 05:47:08 12/17/07 (2)
        
        RE: Here's a piece of advise. Or two. - morricab 03:03:09 12/21/07 (1)
        
        RE: Here's a piece of advise. Or two. - tlyyra 11:54:01 12/22/07 (0)
        
        RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - rdf 13:41:33 12/16/07 (20)
        
        RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - tlyyra 05:40:35 12/17/07 (6)
        
        RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - rdf 09:11:29 12/17/07 (1)
        
        See my other responses. - tlyyra 09:39:03 12/17/07 (0)
        
        "Atkinson seems to regard it much more highly than you. See my reply to bjh below." - bjh 08:41:21 12/17/07 (3)
        
        What are you talking about? - tlyyra 08:56:53 12/17/07 (2)
        
        RE: What are you talking about? - rdf 20:49:10 12/17/07 (1)
        
        I asked essentially the - bjh 07:43:13 12/18/07 (0)
        
        Actually I believe many of the tests referenced on the ABX site have been published. However - bjh 13:49:14 12/16/07 (12)
        
        RE:"little information is provided" - tlyyra 05:52:33 12/17/07 (11)
        
        "They've felt inclined to (mis)quote the score numerous times in (assumed) support of their own positions." - bjh 08:30:26 12/17/07 (10)
        
        You already did that for me. - tlyyra 08:46:15 12/17/07 (9)
        
        ATKINSON DID NOT CITE THE ABX WEB PAGE AS SOURCE! - bjh 09:02:32 12/17/07 (8)
        
        Please read what I said. - tlyyra 09:11:06 12/17/07 (7)
        
        RE: Please read what I said. - morricab 03:18:35 12/21/07 (6)
        
        RE: Please read what I said. - tlyyra 05:52:44 12/21/07 (5)
        
        RE: Please read what I said. - morricab 08:07:33 12/21/07 (4)
        
        RE: Please read what I said. - tlyyra 12:03:28 12/22/07 (3)
        
        RE: Please read what I said. - morricab 02:20:24 12/24/07 (2)
        
        Six words. - tlyyra 05:52:38 12/24/07 (1)
        
        RE: Six words. - morricab 15:07:02 12/25/07 (0)
      - I'm not going to wade thru what I've read of your accusations again - Ted Smith 12:08:30 12/16/07 (4)
        
        RE: "If JA defamed you please write a concise explanation with cites to the evidence clear enough" - tlyyra 12:14:11 12/16/07 (3)
        
        RE: "If JA defamed you please write a concise explanation with cites to the evidence clear enough" - John Atkinson 15:34:16 12/16/07 (1)
        
        The plot thickens! - tlyyra 04:27:35 12/17/07 (0)
        
        RE: "If JA defamed you please write a concise explanation with cites to the evidence clear enough" - Ted Smith 12:57:19 12/16/07 (0)
      - RE: Whose lies and retractions you guys worry about? - The Bored 12:05:54 12/16/07 (2)
        
        RE: Whose lies and retractions you guys worry about? - tlyyra 12:08:32 12/16/07 (1)
        
        RE: Whose lies and retractions you guys worry about? - bjh 12:18:53 12/16/07 (0)
    - RE: His choice, not ours - theaudiohobby 11:33:22 12/16/07 (11)
      - I'm not going to argue it with you. - Ted Smith 11:40:56 12/16/07 (10)
        
        RE: I'm not going to argue it with you. - theaudiohobby 11:43:24 12/16/07 (9)
        
        Yep you should have - Ted Smith 11:51:51 12/16/07 (8)
        
        It also appear he read very selectively from the paper! - bjh 12:06:39 12/16/07 (6)
        
        RE: It also appear he read very selectively from the paper! - theaudiohobby 11:42:14 12/17/07 (0)
        
        RE: It also appear he read very selectively from the paper! - theaudiohobby 04:17:32 12/17/07 (4)
        
        1st paragraph (following Figure 11) on page 100. - bjh 13:54:05 12/17/07 (3)
        
        RE: 1st paragraph (following Figure 11) on page 100. - theaudiohobby 14:46:23 12/17/07 (2)
        
        You're welcome. nt - bjh 15:12:21 12/17/07 (1)
        
        RE: I hope you appreciate - theaudiohobby 01:05:09 12/19/07 (0)
        
        "Friendly jabbing back and forth" - tlyyra 12:06:42 12/16/07 (0)
  - RE: I gotta hand to you guys... - Analog Scott 10:43:25 12/16/07 (0)
- RE: Administrivia: OK, OK, some of the moderators will be more proactive here - truthseekerprime 07:46:55 12/16/07 (0)
- Another point of view - andy_c 10:25:47 12/15/07 (12)
  - RE: a suggestion - mls-stl 12:59:36 12/15/07 (5)
    - RE: a suggestion - kerr 10:58:19 12/17/07 (2)
      - RE: a suggestion - mls-stl 11:53:03 12/17/07 (1)
        
        Now then... - kerr 11:57:52 12/17/07 (0)
    - Or, perhaps - E-Stat 14:43:09 12/15/07 (1)
      - I always thought it should be called "Thunderdome"... - mkuller 11:55:55 12/16/07 (0)
  - I'm not in disagreement, - Ted Smith 12:33:49 12/15/07 (2)
    - RE: I'm not in disagreement, - rdf 13:12:24 12/15/07 (0)
    - You really need give all this some more thought. - bjh 12:48:02 12/15/07 (0)
  - Addendum: I think most of us know already which posters to avoid, the ones who seem to be here... - clarkjohnsen 10:33:58 12/15/07 (2)
    - They let YOU post here ? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:26:55 12/17/07 (0)
    - Exactly my point, thanks [nt] - Ted Smith 12:25:07 12/15/07 (0)
- That's the thing about mental illness.... - Don T 09:20:43 12/15/07 (0)
Hearing Ability - Lynn 21:42:09 12/14/07 (18)
- RE: Hearing Ability - Aleksunder 09:57:11 12/17/07 (2)
  - Hmmm, just ran the 'test' again. .... - Aleksunder 10:12:14 12/17/07 (0)
  - That's 3 of us so far with a 'suck-out' @ about 8KHz. N/T - Aleksunder 10:01:24 12/17/07 (0)
- RE: Hearing Ability - Awe-d-o-file 07:35:35 12/17/07 (0)
- RE: Hearing Ability - rdf 12:45:52 12/16/07 (0)
- Although Lynn's post is of more limited focus, this is probably the post important post here. - Norm 10:11:20 12/16/07 (0)
- RE: Hearing Ability, - tomservo 09:51:41 12/15/07 (0)
- RE: Hearing Ability - Cpk 07:51:36 12/15/07 (0)
- As I understand it, you are indeed normal - Norm 06:25:04 12/15/07 (0)
- Shocking - unclestu52 22:59:46 12/14/07 (0)
- RE: Hearing Ability - Ted Smith 22:11:42 12/14/07 (7)
  - Also, what relation does measured "hearing" ability have, to *discerning* ability? nt - clarkjohnsen 11:37:47 12/15/07 (4)
    - Can't discern the inaudible. NT - rdf 12:49:25 12/16/07 (3)
      - What you're saying is, "can't discern the unmeasured." - clarkjohnsen 09:30:16 12/17/07 (2)
        
        RE: What you're saying is, "can't discern the unmeasured." - rdf 11:24:07 12/17/07 (1)
        
        Fortunately, 8KHz is over twice the fundamental frequency of the top note on the piano. - clarkjohnsen 11:36:44 12/17/07 (0)
  - RE: Hearing Ability - becketma@yahoo.com 00:34:04 12/15/07 (1)
    - RE: Hearing Ability - Mercury Boy 04:08:51 12/24/07 (0)
The Problem With "Expectation Bias" "Placebo Effect" and DBTs In Audio - thetubeguy1954 11:23:18 12/14/07 (36)
- States of mind .... - Aleksunder 07:30:15 12/15/07 (10)
  - RE: States of mind .... - Don T 09:04:25 12/16/07 (9)
    - RE: States of mind .... - Aleksunder 10:17:17 12/16/07 (1)
      - RE: Measurements ... - Aleksunder 10:49:53 12/16/07 (0)
    - Right on! - rick_m 10:15:30 12/16/07 (0)
    - I'm an engineer at my day job - last thing I want when I turn on my system is objective thought or reasoning. - AJinFLA 09:10:31 12/16/07 (5)
      - objective thought and reasoning can help you BUY a system that sounds great and doesn't cost a fortune .... - Richard BassNut Greene 13:38:29 12/17/07 (2)
        
        Indeed... - Don T 06:50:15 12/18/07 (0)
        
        "Best of both worlds." I like that! (nt) - Pat D 19:16:24 12/17/07 (0)
      - RE: I'm an engineer at my day job - last thing I want when I turn on my system is objective thought or reasoning. - Don T 16:49:58 12/16/07 (0)
      - " ... last thing I want when I turn on my system is objective thought or reasoning. ...". LoL. N/T. - Aleksunder 11:11:59 12/16/07 (0)
- Sighted auditions don't prove anything. - Pat D 18:52:00 12/14/07 (3)
  - What I Don't Think I'll Ever Understand Is...... - Todd Krieger 07:28:57 12/18/07 (1)
    - I'm a preference guy . . . - Pat D 18:36:05 12/18/07 (0)
  - RE: Sighted auditions don't prove anything. - Lynn 21:11:19 12/14/07 (0)
- Medical vs. Audio DBT...... - Todd Krieger 18:14:30 12/14/07 (4)
  - Perhaps CBT's could be taught on equal footing with DBT's in public school? - AJinFLA 18:58:02 12/14/07 (3)
    - RE: Perhaps CBT's could be taught on equal footing with DBT's in public school? - Todd Krieger 19:06:11 12/14/07 (2)
      - And if they are *correctly* applied and you still don't get your desired results - AJinFLA 19:17:08 12/14/07 (1)
        
        RE: And if they are *correctly* applied and you still don't get your desired results - Todd Krieger 19:38:40 12/14/07 (0)
- Not to be picky but... - Presto 15:00:04 12/14/07 (4)
  - RE: Not to be picky but... - Todd Krieger 18:25:37 12/14/07 (1)
    - "People hardly ever audition products expecting them to sound worse." Not true, Todd! - clarkjohnsen 10:45:09 12/15/07 (0)
  - RE: Not to be picky but... - rdf 15:16:49 12/14/07 (1)
    - What's the point... - Presto 15:55:58 12/14/07 (0)
- RE: The Problem With "Expectation Bias" "Placebo Effect" and DBTs In Audio - john curl 14:06:19 12/14/07 (1)
  - Yes, it does go back a ways... but some folks never learn. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:46:29 12/15/07 (0)
- RE: The Problem With "Expectation Bias" "Placebo Effect" and DBTs In Audio - Burns 13:27:47 12/14/07 (3)
  - "there are hard physics facts that can not be changed." Right. I well recall... - clarkjohnsen 10:56:12 12/15/07 (0)
  - Oh boy, the old laws of physics posturing - Analog Scott 14:50:14 12/14/07 (0)
  - RE: The Problem With "Expectation Bias" "Placebo Effect" and DBTs In Audio - thetubeguy1954 14:19:26 12/14/07 (0)
- It is sad that this has to be said over and over again. It is also sad that some disciplines are unscientific. - Norm 11:37:30 12/14/07 (4)
  - RE: It is sad that this has to be said over and over again. It is also sad that some disciplines are unscientific. - Analog Scott 12:35:38 12/14/07 (3)
    - Audio is anecdotal for sure, as are most of our purchasing decisions - Norm 21:03:42 12/14/07 (2)
      - it really doesn't matter and thios is a significant point - Analog Scott 21:40:47 12/14/07 (1)
        
        It was not a sighted listening, just extended listening. - Norm 17:46:26 12/15/07 (0)
Recently there was a thread in which Tube Guy (inter alia) made a post with the utmost good sense about DBTs. - clarkjohnsen 20:30:03 12/13/07 (13)
- Thanks For Asking About The Thread Clark. - thetubeguy1954 07:20:23 12/14/07 (2)
  - "I might incur some wrath!" Can't have that. But the fact remains... - clarkjohnsen 08:19:43 12/15/07 (0)
  - RE: Thanks For Asking About The Thread Clark. - The Bored 09:46:04 12/14/07 (0)
- RE: Recently there was a thread in which Tube Guy (inter alia) made a post with the utmost good sense about DB - andy19191 22:51:27 12/13/07 (9)
  - No, I flagged it and now it's Error 404. VANISHED! See: - clarkjohnsen 06:11:53 12/14/07 (8)
    - Did you read the response from The Bored? - E-Stat 10:26:10 12/14/07 (7)
      - Shit, I cast aspersions about my own mental health - Cpk 19:03:48 12/14/07 (2)
        
        Yeah, but that's different - E-Stat 20:23:00 12/14/07 (1)
        
        Does that mean I can cast away? - Cpk 07:55:31 12/15/07 (0)
      - Speaking of aspersions? - mkuller 10:52:38 12/14/07 (3)
        
        RE: Speaking of aspersions? - thetubeguy1954 11:44:59 12/14/07 (2)
        
        Sure have been a lot of disappearances this past day... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:22:56 12/15/07 (1)
        
        The Junta's death squads are on patrol (nt) - AJinFLA 09:56:28 12/16/07 (0)
DBT Hall of Shame - bjh 11:32:10 12/10/07 (105)
- Shame on the "experts" - tomservo 06:20:55 12/14/07 (7)
  - RE: Shame on the "experts" - rdf 09:52:05 12/14/07 (0)
  - Hmmmm...? I wonder if there's an element of personal bias involved in your opinion? - bjh 07:05:09 12/14/07 (5)
    - RE: Hmmmm...? I wonder if there's an element of personal bias involved in your opinion? - tomservo 09:06:57 12/14/07 (4)
      - Tsk tsk... - bjh 11:00:40 12/14/07 (3)
        
        RE: Tsk tsk... - tomservo 12:02:08 12/14/07 (2)
        
        RE: another possibility - mls-stl 16:33:14 12/16/07 (0)
        
        RE: Tsk tsk... - bjh 13:33:56 12/14/07 (0)
- RE: DBT Hall of Shame - theaudiohobby 04:29:43 12/12/07 (8)
  - RE: DBT Hall of Shame - John Atkinson 08:30:34 12/14/07 (1)
    - RE: DBT Hall of Shame - theaudiohobby 11:38:48 12/16/07 (0)
  - RE: DBT Hall of Shame - bjh 08:56:43 12/12/07 (5)
    - RE: DBT Hall of Shame - andy_c 10:25:06 12/12/07 (3)
      - RE: DBT Hall of Shame - Pat D 14:37:05 12/12/07 (2)
        
        RE: DBT Hall of Shame - andy_c 15:04:33 12/12/07 (1)
        
        Thanks Andy-c (nt) - Pat D 20:28:11 12/12/07 (0)
    - RE: Good sleuthing -nt - theaudiohobby 08:58:25 12/12/07 (0)
- Every sighted comparison is already in the Hall of Shame - Richard BassNut Greene 15:26:02 12/11/07 (81)
  - I claim I hear something and typically I enjoy it... - Wellfed 11:55:42 12/12/07 (12)
    - HOW DARE YOU?! - Analog Scott 09:48:29 12/13/07 (11)
      - Calm down Scotty - AJinFLA 19:54:07 12/14/07 (10)
        
        I can't control my rage knowing that Wellfed is enjoying his preferences - Analog Scott 23:43:15 12/14/07 (9)
        
        Hmm, so you are ok with those who enjoy the superior sound of digital over analog? - AJinFLA 18:14:04 12/16/07 (8)
        
        those preferences fall in line with measurements - Analog Scott 22:01:36 12/16/07 (7)
        
        RE: those preferences fall in line with measurements - AJinFLA 18:37:51 12/17/07 (6)
        
        RE: those preferences fall in line with measurements - Analog Scott 23:35:39 12/17/07 (4)
        
        RE: those preferences fall in line with measurements - AJinFLA 16:42:28 12/18/07 (3)
        
        RE: those preferences fall in line with measurements - Analog Scott 20:15:42 12/18/07 (2)
        
        "I don't know why. I just know what I have heard." - Bingo - AJinFLA 08:41:39 12/22/07 (1)
        
        RE: "I don't know why. I just know what I have heard." - Bingo - Analog Scott 23:05:15 12/23/07 (0)
        
        "Piano wire is more my type..." - what do you do with it, strangle audiophiles at night? - carcass93 19:48:42 12/17/07 (0)
  - Hey your post brought to mind a really interesting thought ... - bjh 07:52:44 12/12/07 (0)
  - Robert Young is correct. - markrohr 03:16:50 12/12/07 (32)
    - Congratulations. (A-B level matching is so rare in sighted comparisons it's almost unbelievable) - Richard BassNut Greene 07:38:29 12/12/07 (27)
      - C'mon, Richard. - markrohr 17:50:49 12/12/07 (23)
        
        What reviewers do is not typical of audiophiles -- not one A-B volume matching in 40 years in audio stores - Richard BassNut Greene 08:37:04 12/13/07 (22)
        
        That has been my experience also.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 17:09:58 12/14/07 (0)
        
        Aren't you around 51? - Bruce Kendall 11:48:47 12/13/07 (3)
        
        Audiophile since 1966 - Richard BassNut Greene 16:09:30 12/13/07 (2)
        
        An 11 year-old giving dealers crap about - Bruce Kendall 10:06:35 12/15/07 (0)
        
        Anti-Audiophile since 2006...(nt) - mkuller 20:02:01 12/13/07 (0)
        
        Weeheee!! There he goes again! - robert young 09:53:06 12/13/07 (16)
        
        My post is obviously about my own experiences over 40 years - Richard BassNut Greene 16:15:25 12/13/07 (13)
        
        Hmmm - E-Stat 18:48:47 12/13/07 (0)
        
        And you told me to "learn to read???" - robert young 17:40:32 12/13/07 (11)
        
        RE: And you told me to "learn to read???" - Richard BassNut Greene 08:22:21 12/14/07 (10)
        
        It is amazing that you think you can cover your butt by editing your old posts. - robert young 09:13:39 12/14/07 (7)
        
        I added four words to one sentence "(while I was witness)" -- how about editing your posts? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:14:52 12/16/07 (5)
        
        Yes, Richard, you changed completely meaning of the sentence in question. - robert young 05:20:01 12/17/07 (4)
        
        Take sentence out of context and then attack -- is that all you Golden Ears have to support your beliefs? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:23:18 12/17/07 (3)
        
        Nobody's buying that line of BS, RG. - robert young 08:37:24 12/17/07 (2)
        
        Sentence by sentence, I'll explain my original post , for the "slower" audiophiles ... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:07:03 12/17/07 (1)
        
        "I'll have to add an explanation for the "slower" audiophiles who take the "short bus" to school" - robert young 09:38:46 12/17/07 (0)
        
        Now there's one for the Propeller Head Plaza - Hall of Shame... and will be hard to top! LOL nt - bjh 11:15:12 12/14/07 (0)
        
        Ricky I beleive even Prop Head has limits when it comes to trools! - bjh 08:51:16 12/14/07 (1)
        
        A pathetic golden ears character attack just makes the golden ears look bad - Richard BassNut Greene 11:02:32 12/16/07 (0)
        
        I think he needs to change the batteries - E-Stat 11:57:24 12/13/07 (1)
        
        Or he could use the Google for the word "logic" -t - Sordidman 14:18:45 12/13/07 (0)
      - I challenge you to provide proof... - mkuller 11:32:16 12/12/07 (1)
        
        He gets his panties in a twist - markrohr 17:56:51 12/12/07 (0)
      - RE: Congratulations. (A-B level matching is so rare in sighted comparisons it's almost unbelievable) - morricab 07:41:37 12/12/07 (0)
    - RE: Robert Young is correct. - Dan Banquer 04:44:58 12/12/07 (3)
      - RE: Robert Young is correct - markrohr 17:55:10 12/12/07 (0)
      - A stopped clock is correct twice a day - Richard BassNut Greene 07:41:33 12/12/07 (1)
        
        You managed to be outperformed by a broken clock - Analog Scott 09:51:59 12/13/07 (0)
  - RE: Every sighted comparison is already in the Hall of Shame - morricab 01:29:47 12/12/07 (26)
    - RE: Every sighted comparison is already in the Hall of Shame - John Atkinson 06:57:34 12/13/07 (11)
      - The ear is not a microphone - John Atkinson 16:46:08 12/13/07 (6)
        
        Thanks a lot. nt - jensw 23:19:35 12/13/07 (0)
        
        RE: The brain is not a computer - Richard BassNut Greene 17:11:42 12/13/07 (4)
        
        RE: The brain is not a computer - John Atkinson 08:43:26 12/14/07 (2)
        
        RE: The brain is not a computer - morricab 07:53:53 12/17/07 (1)
        
        RE: The brain is not a computer - John Atkinson 08:53:49 12/18/07 (0)
        
        Points... - bjh 17:28:30 12/13/07 (0)
      - "This happens all the time in proofing." Here's another instrucive example. - clarkjohnsen 13:59:43 12/13/07 (2)
        
        RE: "This happens all the time in proofing." Here's another instrucive example. - rdf 14:46:56 12/13/07 (1)
        
        Yeah. This visiting kevboard I'm at... - clarkjohnsen 19:54:56 12/13/07 (0)
      - RE: Every sighted comparison is already in the Hall of Shame - rdf 12:39:25 12/13/07 (0)
    - That was supposed to be funny, but I will add ... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:27:48 12/12/07 (13)
      - RE: That was supposed to be funny, but I will add ... - morricab 07:39:02 12/12/07 (8)
        
        Don't scientists test hypotheses? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:49:00 12/12/07 (7)
        
        I've told you a million times... - mkuller 13:19:47 12/13/07 (5)
        
        Stereophile blind amp test 62% heard differences when amp compared with itself (Golden ears vs. random guess) - Richard BassNut Greene 16:21:57 12/13/07 (4)
        
        62% is hardly "almost everyone" - maybe "more than half"...(nt) - mkuller 16:52:28 12/13/07 (0)
        
        Is this the test where they packed groups of listeners into room for trials? - bjh 16:36:53 12/13/07 (2)
        
        Atkinson says he knows the difference between good and bad blind test methodologies ... and HE published the results - Richard BassNut Greene 08:30:01 12/17/07 (1)
        
        RE: Atkinson says he knows the difference between good and bad blind test methodologies ... and HE published t - Pat D 14:21:50 12/17/07 (0)
        
        RE: Don't scientists test hypotheses? - morricab 06:59:13 12/13/07 (0)
      - So... - bjh 07:36:59 12/12/07 (3)
        
        I can't tell you how disappointed I am ... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:51:37 12/12/07 (2)
        
        That smacks of a double standard! - bjh 08:12:08 12/12/07 (1)
        
        Standards? ... STANDARDS! ... We don't need no stinkin' standards - Richard BassNut Greene 08:58:16 12/13/07 (0)
  - "No attempt to match A and B SPL's:" pure fantasy conjecture on your part. - robert young 19:53:21 12/11/07 (6)
    - Learn how to read a post before making silly comments - Richard BassNut Greene 07:31:08 12/12/07 (1)
      - "Learn to read??" Nice one. - robert young 07:53:04 12/12/07 (0)
    - RE: "No attempt to match A and B SPL's:" pure fantasy conjecture on your part. - Dan Banquer 05:05:04 12/12/07 (3)
      - That may be true... - robert young 07:55:21 12/12/07 (2)
        
        RE: That may be true... - rdf 12:55:11 12/13/07 (1)
        
        It seems that with a certain crew.. - robert young 13:36:56 12/13/07 (0)
- Necessary vs. sufficient - andy_c 12:46:42 12/10/07 (3)
  - Oh please, is the rhetoric necessary? - bjh 13:19:18 12/10/07 (2)
    - RE: Oh please, is the rhetoric necessary? - morricab 04:42:18 12/11/07 (0)
    - That's my line! - andy_c 13:40:53 12/10/07 (0)
- DBT- hall of flame. - cheap-Jack 11:57:05 12/10/07 (1)
  - I Like That!!!! - Todd Krieger 02:30:36 12/11/07 (0)

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