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More on the Randi/Fremer/Levigne cable fiasco, and some interesting new test results. - truthseekerprime 18:35:45 11/18/07 (38)
- RE: More on the Randi/Fremer/Levigne cable fiasco, and some interesting new test results. - becketma@yahoo.com 19:19:37 11/19/07 (0)
- The psychological therapy for that inmates disorder will have no effect on the others - AJinFLA 15:17:39 11/19/07 (0)
- The only conclusion to draw is... - kerr 07:12:39 11/19/07 (17)
  - IMO the more interesting question would be - Analog Scott 08:38:46 11/20/07 (1)
    - Nope - Ted Smith 12:16:01 11/20/07 (0)
  - True. Really only one way to see it. - Jon Risch 20:50:55 11/19/07 (14)
    - "If you believe and practice scientific method, the results of this listening test are nothing" WRONG - truthseekerprime 04:38:39 11/20/07 (13)
      - RE: " the results of this listening test are nothing" - Jon Risch 19:49:45 11/20/07 (2)
        
        Read Ted's post, or re-read mine. The test provided VERY strong evidence that Mike was wrong. /nt - truthseekerprime 21:46:03 11/23/07 (0)
        
        RE: " the results of this listening test are nothing" - Ted Smith 20:17:18 11/20/07 (0)
      - RE: "If you believe and practice scientific method, the results of this listening test are nothing" WRONG - becketma@yahoo.com 09:37:12 11/20/07 (2)
        
        Is there a point in there somewhere? FYI, I do statistics every day as part of my work. /nt - truthseekerprime 09:46:15 11/20/07 (1)
        
        RE: Is there a point in there somewhere? FYI, I do statistics every day as part of my work. /nt - becketma@yahoo.com 15:55:40 11/20/07 (0)
      - Jon is dead on - Analog Scott 08:21:46 11/20/07 (6)
        
        RE: Jon is dead on - theaudiohobby 11:28:57 11/20/07 (5)
        
        RE: Jon is dead on - Analog Scott 06:12:18 11/22/07 (4)
        
        RE: Jon is dead on - theaudiohobby 17:28:21 11/22/07 (3)
        
        RE: Jon is dead on - Analog Scott 07:08:30 11/23/07 (2)
        
        RE: Clark Johnsen is the real deal objectivist! - theaudiohobby 12:01:37 11/23/07 (1)
        
        OK it's confirmed - Analog Scott 13:06:37 11/23/07 (0)
- RE: I am sure you are not surprised - theaudiohobby 00:55:21 11/19/07 (0)
- Hey TruthSeeker...... - Todd Krieger 23:16:28 11/18/07 (10)
  - It's ok Todd - AJinFLA 15:10:55 11/19/07 (0)
  - That just makes good sense... get outta here! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:29:30 11/19/07 (0)
  - RE: Hey TruthSeeker...... - truthseekerprime 06:07:42 11/19/07 (0)
  - RE: Hey TruthSeeker...... - theaudiohobby 00:43:25 11/19/07 (6)
    - RE: Hey TruthSeeker...... - Todd Krieger 04:01:59 11/19/07 (3)
      - RE: Hey TruthSeeker...... - theaudiohobby 05:30:52 11/19/07 (2)
        
        Another POV - thetubeguy1954 06:47:01 11/19/07 (1)
        
        RE: Another POV - theaudiohobby 10:38:36 11/19/07 (0)
    - RE: Hey TruthSeeker...... - andy19191 03:30:10 11/19/07 (1)
      - The better question is what facts... - Analog Scott 04:50:27 11/19/07 (0)
- Maybe mikel's system isn't resolving enough? - andy_c 21:55:31 11/18/07 (4)
  - Thanks, it was fun for Joe and me :) - Ted Smith 22:37:19 11/18/07 (3)
    - RE: "...he was very comfortable and sure on almost every trial" - tlyyra 05:43:31 11/19/07 (2)
      - RE: "...he was very comfortable and sure on almost every trial" - racerguy 10:46:21 11/19/07 (1)
        
        RE: "...he was very comfortable and sure on almost every trial" - theaudiohobby 13:34:38 11/19/07 (0)
- Looks like we've discovered a real giant killer of a speaker cable here... - Wellfed 21:44:32 11/18/07 (0)
The Art of Knowing - clarkjohnsen 10:42:40 11/15/07 (17)
- RE: The Art of Knowing - Peter H-son 05:59:10 11/26/07 (2)
  - "we know that science isn't neutral." You and I may, but what about all those others? nt - clarkjohnsen 12:49:18 11/30/07 (1)
    - RE: "we know that science isn't neutral." You and I may, but what about all those others? nt - becketma@yahoo.com 22:34:23 12/03/07 (0)
- RE: The Art of Knowing - tesla 04:56:15 11/18/07 (2)
  - Enough with the sarcasm already. One was for work, the other for home. I also have two... - clarkjohnsen 10:42:05 11/18/07 (1)
    - ...Crutches? (nt) - AJinFLA 11:25:54 11/18/07 (0)
- I have always thought it interesting that the most advanced sciences spend the least time considering the phil - Norm 16:07:46 11/17/07 (4)
  - RE: I have always thought it interesting that the most advanced sciences spend the least time considering the - becketma@yahoo.com 17:43:22 11/26/07 (2)
    - I expect most physicists and chemists will not have heard of The Structure of Scientific Revolution - Norm 18:38:37 11/27/07 (1)
      - RE: I expect most physicists and chemists will not have heard of The Structure of Scientific Revolution - May Belt 07:18:24 11/28/07 (0)
  - "Most students in such sciences are shaped by" CONVENTIONAL WISDOM. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:37:08 11/18/07 (0)
- What about the Art of Grinding and Inking? CD tossing? Any new developments/break throughs? (nt) - AJinFLA 18:04:05 11/15/07 (4)
  - Or sarcastic posts that are actually funny? -t - Sordidman 11:49:11 11/16/07 (3)
    - RE: Or sarcastic posts that are actually funny? -t - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 02:48:16 11/24/07 (0)
    - I prefer the sincere ones myself (nt) - AJinFLA 16:12:42 11/16/07 (1)
      - I'm sure that you'll do your best -t - Sordidman 17:19:52 11/16/07 (0)
- RE: The Art of Knowing - Len_ 11:41:21 11/15/07 (0)
Comments from J. Gordon Holt - Dan Banquer 15:48:42 11/14/07 (112)
- Frank like Paul Klipsch, Don Davis & Gene Patronis - tomservo 09:06:58 11/18/07 (1)
  - RE: Frank like Paul Klipsch, Don Davis & Gene Patronis - pedroskova 17:49:13 11/18/07 (0)
- RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - andy19191 07:13:43 11/16/07 (13)
  - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - Analog Scott 07:42:39 11/18/07 (0)
  - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - bjh 08:31:48 11/16/07 (11)
    - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - andy19191 09:20:51 11/16/07 (9)
      - My interest here is audiophiles and audiophile beliefs. - Analog Scott 04:24:23 11/19/07 (0)
      - So - E-Stat 12:15:06 11/16/07 (6)
        
        RE: So - andy19191 15:13:11 11/16/07 (5)
        
        Then why on earth do you ever post? - Analog Scott 04:28:31 11/19/07 (2)
        
        He doesn't belive in Heisenberg :) [nt] - Ted Smith 09:39:16 11/19/07 (1)
        
        LOL - Analog Scott 17:19:12 11/19/07 (0)
        
        "Fortunately, when serious illness struck the nonsense was set aside ..." - bjh 08:09:04 11/17/07 (0)
        
        RE: So - E-Stat 21:32:50 11/16/07 (0)
      - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - bjh 10:29:19 11/16/07 (0)
    - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - John Atkinson 08:58:39 11/16/07 (0)
- Wow how awful some people want stereos that actually sound good when playing their records - Don T 06:11:34 11/16/07 (0)
- Comments From a Friend of Mine - Dan Banquer 15:46:52 11/15/07 (3)
  - The last laugh? - Analog Scott 04:21:58 11/19/07 (0)
  - Last laugh? - Dave Pogue 05:32:12 11/17/07 (0)
  - Laughing through his tears? - bjh 12:05:34 11/16/07 (0)
- Back to the future. - soulfood 09:31:18 11/15/07 (5)
  - RE: Back to the future. - Todd Krieger 19:18:18 11/15/07 (1)
    - RE: Back to the future. - soulfood 10:31:06 11/16/07 (0)
  - Quelle horreur! The baton for audio decision-making has passed from print gurus to mere listeners... - clarkjohnsen 14:26:11 11/15/07 (2)
    - For political correctness, he should say "doodoo" instead of "voodoo" - andy_c 21:59:59 11/15/07 (0)
    - Print gurus are mere listeners. - soulfood 20:08:50 11/15/07 (0)
- RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - morricab 04:30:53 11/15/07 (65)
  - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - Analog Scott 04:36:52 11/19/07 (2)
    - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - morricab 07:41:08 11/19/07 (1)
      - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - Analog Scott 17:39:45 11/19/07 (0)
  - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - Don T 07:39:32 11/16/07 (3)
    - Who says such a system sounds bad with Led zeppelin records - Analog Scott 04:39:00 11/19/07 (0)
    - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - morricab 03:22:03 11/18/07 (0)
    - Excellent point! - Sordidman 09:45:02 11/16/07 (0)
  - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - Todd Krieger 03:08:27 11/16/07 (2)
    - even then - Analog Scott 04:46:43 11/19/07 (0)
    - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - morricab 03:28:41 11/18/07 (0)
  - When was this ideal abandoned? - Enophile 09:34:00 11/15/07 (54)
    - RE: When was this ideal abandoned? - Analog Scott 07:45:53 11/18/07 (0)
    - Speaking of abandoning ideals... - mkuller 17:26:12 11/15/07 (1)
      - RE: Speaking of abandoning ideals... - morricab 03:07:57 11/16/07 (0)
    - RE: When was this ideal abandoned? - thetubeguy1954 11:45:27 11/15/07 (50)
      - a thoughtful post but one I take issue with point for point - Analog Scott 03:27:22 11/19/07 (0)
      - So you take issue with "...there is no right and wrong when judging art." OK, fine. but... - clarkjohnsen 14:57:52 11/15/07 (3)
        
        RE: So you take issue with "...there is no right and wrong when judging art." OK, fine. but... - b.l.zeebub 06:27:56 11/16/07 (1)
        
        RE: So you take issue with "...there is no right and wrong when judging art." OK, fine. but... - morricab 03:30:34 11/18/07 (0)
        
        RE: So you take issue with "...there is no right and wrong when judging art." OK, fine. but... - morricab 15:32:55 11/15/07 (0)
      - That gives you a narrow range of recordings to listen to, huh? - Bruce Kendall 14:32:29 11/15/07 (15)
        
        RE: That gives you a narrow range of recordings to listen to, huh? - morricab 15:38:17 11/15/07 (14)
        
        "Just like most of us can't run a 100 meters in 10 seconds." But that doesn't stop the *claims* does it? - AJinFLA 17:32:34 11/15/07 (8)
        
        Nice "analogue." - tlyyra 05:32:05 11/16/07 (3)
        
        RE: Nice "analogue." - theaudiohobby 09:16:48 11/16/07 (2)
        
        RE: Nice "analogue." - tlyyra 09:59:34 11/16/07 (1)
        
        RE: Nice "analogue." - AJinFLA 16:08:29 11/16/07 (0)
        
        Why don't you move to Alaska - Bruce Kendall 18:58:11 11/15/07 (3)
        
        Because "Cryo"ing is audiophile nonsense too (nt) - AJinFLA 14:40:05 11/16/07 (2)
        
        Ouch! That was cold! nt - Dan Banquer 15:36:07 11/16/07 (1)
        
        Careful Dan! - Bruce Kendall 17:06:38 11/16/07 (0)
        
        I don't think I am missing any point at all. - Bruce Kendall 15:54:10 11/15/07 (4)
        
        RE: I don't think I am missing any point at all. - morricab 03:02:37 11/16/07 (3)
        
        Well then.....damn! - Bruce Kendall 14:36:05 11/16/07 (0)
        
        What about electronic bass? - Sordidman 09:41:52 11/16/07 (1)
        
        RE: What about electronic bass? - morricab 03:32:51 11/18/07 (0)
      - Right and Wrong: Don't play Straw Man - Sordidman 13:03:28 11/15/07 (28)
        
        RE: Right and Wrong: Don't play Straw Man - thetubeguy1954 09:14:51 11/16/07 (10)
        
        There is no pretense here.... - Sordidman 10:49:51 11/16/07 (9)
        
        RE: There is no pretense here.... - thetubeguy1954 14:26:56 11/16/07 (8)
        
        It's great that we are now in agreement - Sordidman 15:50:59 11/16/07 (7)
        
        We Have An Understanding Not An Agreement (Long) - thetubeguy1954 12:44:52 11/19/07 (3)
        
        You're a big Sex Pistols fan aren't you? - Sordidman 13:47:35 11/19/07 (2)
        
        No I'm Not! YES, Starcastle, Shooting Star, Marillion, Genesis, EL&P, Trillion, Moody Blues, Aorta etc Is Mor - thetubeguy1954 07:20:41 11/21/07 (1)
        
        Happy Holiday - Sordidman 14:23:14 11/21/07 (0)
        
        RE: It's great that we are now in agreement - morricab 07:55:00 11/19/07 (2)
        
        Well.. one more point about this... - Sordidman 12:17:00 11/19/07 (0)
        
        Yep. You are absolutely right on that point -t - Sordidman 11:59:44 11/19/07 (0)
        
        RE: Right and Wrong: Don't play Straw Man - morricab 15:55:54 11/15/07 (6)
        
        RE: Right and Wrong: Don't play Straw Man - Analog Scott 03:50:36 11/19/07 (0)
        
        Hearing acuity has a small element of interpretation: and is therefore fallible - Sordidman 09:37:35 11/16/07 (2)
        
        RE: Hearing acuity has a small element of interpretation: and is therefore fallible - morricab 03:45:27 11/18/07 (1)
        
        Good points below M - Sordidman 09:47:29 11/18/07 (0)
        
        So... - bjh 19:18:08 11/15/07 (1)
        
        RE: So... - morricab 03:53:28 11/18/07 (0)
        
        What exactly did - bjh 13:37:47 11/15/07 (9)
        
        RE: What exactly did - thetubeguy1954 10:24:09 11/16/07 (7)
        
        You're always safest when asking questions - Sordidman 11:06:30 11/16/07 (0)
        
        RE: What exactly did - bjh 10:35:55 11/16/07 (5)
        
        Nice Cop Out Jerk! - thetubeguy1954 13:55:18 11/19/07 (4)
        
        Really!!!!???? - bjh 11:23:26 11/22/07 (3)
        
        Yes Really You Moronic Fool! - thetubeguy1954 11:35:54 11/24/07 (2)
        
        You're in denial... - bjh 13:32:29 11/27/07 (1)
        
        Enjoy Your 30 Day Vacation :^ ) (nt) - thetubeguy1954 08:35:32 11/28/07 (0)
        
        HA! - Sordidman 13:40:48 11/15/07 (0)
- We Need to Put The Comments Into Context and Perspective..... - Todd Krieger 01:43:47 11/15/07 (1)
  - RE: We Need to Put The Comments Into Context and Perspective..... - John Atkinson 04:17:31 11/15/07 (0)
- different people rarely agree about sound quality - jensw 22:08:45 11/14/07 (1)
  - What if they have different definitions of "accuracy?" - Sordidman 07:14:54 11/15/07 (0)
- When I read what Gordon wrote... - Steve Eddy 21:36:43 11/14/07 (1)
  - :) -nt - E-Stat 13:52:07 11/15/07 (0)
- Great article - Lynn 18:55:41 11/14/07 (0)
- Pretty funny, actually. - Enophile 18:31:54 11/14/07 (1)
  - I saw Holt at a Sex Pistols reunion show..... - Sordidman 18:40:21 11/14/07 (0)
- Only the humblest of men can inflict their biases and idiosyncracies - Sordidman 17:44:01 11/14/07 (0)
- RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - tesla 17:09:17 11/14/07 (2)
  - RE: Comments from J. Gordon Holt - Dan Banquer 17:19:24 11/14/07 (1)
    - WHAT! - tesla 00:12:53 11/15/07 (0)
- Ouch. That's going to sting and anger the inmate population. - AJinFLA 16:50:58 11/14/07 (2)
  - RE: Ouch. That's going to sting and anger the inmate population. - Dan Banquer 17:07:26 11/14/07 (1)
    - RE: Ouch. That's going to sting and anger the inmate population. - andy_c 19:23:16 11/14/07 (0)
- What nonsense. - Dave Pogue 16:29:12 11/14/07 (2)
  - RE: What nonsense. - The Chuckster 12:37:01 06/27/08 (0)
  - RE: What nonsense. - The Chuckster 20:49:06 06/26/08 (0)
Nero Fiddles as Rome Burns Revisited - Dan Banquer 15:55:52 11/12/07 (57)
- This is nothing new - Robert Hamel 21:24:14 11/14/07 (3)
  - Not Quite - Dan Banquer 05:07:25 11/15/07 (2)
    - I hope your are proven wrong with time - Robert Hamel 16:48:23 11/15/07 (1)
      - RE: I hope your are proven wrong with time - Dan Banquer 05:50:07 11/16/07 (0)
- Thanks for that . . . I'd bet - markrohr 12:08:52 11/14/07 (1)
  - RE: Thanks for that . . . I'd bet - Dan Banquer 12:19:25 11/14/07 (0)
- RE: Nero Fiddles as Rome Burns Revisited - Todd Krieger 07:15:39 11/14/07 (3)
  - RE: Nero Fiddles as Rome Burns Revisited - bjh 08:16:15 11/14/07 (2)
    - RE: Nero Fiddles as Rome Burns Revisited - Todd Krieger 10:12:48 11/14/07 (1)
      - RE: Nero Fiddles as Rome Burns Revisited - kerr 10:41:03 11/14/07 (0)
- Not much of a survey. - Rick W 21:01:53 11/13/07 (27)
  - RE: Not much of a survey. - Dan Banquer 04:32:53 11/14/07 (26)
    - Don't think the point was lost, but.... - Rick W 06:18:35 11/14/07 (25)
      - Yeah, it was lost and then some. - Dan Banquer 06:35:39 11/14/07 (24)
        
        Jeez, man, Kait-esque. - Rick W 07:39:43 11/14/07 (23)
        
        Not at all. - Dan Banquer 08:17:38 11/14/07 (22)
        
        Pot, meet kettle..... - Sordidman 17:45:50 11/14/07 (0)
        
        Deeper into Kait-ism. - Rick W 09:25:51 11/14/07 (20)
        
        Considering the source... - bjh 09:56:30 11/14/07 (0)
        
        RE: Deeper into Kait-ism. - Dan Banquer 09:28:13 11/14/07 (18)
        
        How about giving us a sampling then? - Sordidman 10:04:22 11/14/07 (17)
        
        Ya know... - bjh 12:11:13 11/14/07 (16)
        
        RE: Ya know... - morricab 04:22:47 11/15/07 (2)
        
        RE: Ya know... - bjh 06:06:56 11/15/07 (1)
        
        RE: Ya know... - morricab 03:54:23 11/18/07 (0)
        
        Apologies for my lack of clarity....... - Sordidman 13:33:12 11/14/07 (12)
        
        RE: Apologies for my lack of clarity....... - bjh 14:58:41 11/14/07 (11)
        
        Just a question on this, eh, "Jazz" thing - tlyyra 03:38:06 11/15/07 (9)
        
        RE: Just a question on this, eh, "Jazz" thing - bjh 07:27:30 11/15/07 (8)
        
        RE: "being clever" - tlyyra 11:59:14 11/15/07 (7)
        
        Jazz - kerr 12:10:28 11/15/07 (6)
        
        RE: Jazz - tlyyra 14:55:37 11/15/07 (5)
        
        RE: Jazz - kerr 16:26:24 11/15/07 (4)
        
        RE: CIMP - tlyyra 03:22:20 11/16/07 (3)
        
        RE: CIMP - kerr 04:42:16 11/16/07 (2)
        
        RE: CIMP - tlyyra 10:18:34 11/16/07 (1)
        
        RE: CIMP - kerr 11:19:37 11/16/07 (0)
        
        RE: Apologies for my lack of clarity....... - Sordidman 19:26:18 11/14/07 (0)
- You're implying that things are getting worse - Sordidman 13:39:09 11/13/07 (2)
  - I Think They *Are* Getting Worse...... - Todd Krieger 07:34:05 11/14/07 (1)
    - I hear you, - but it almost cannot be true.... - Sordidman 09:58:38 11/14/07 (0)
- Popular taste as created by the media - tomservo 12:31:24 11/13/07 (6)
  - RE: Popular taste as created by the media - Todd Krieger 07:21:26 11/14/07 (4)
    - RE: Popular taste as created by the media - tomservo 09:43:23 11/15/07 (0)
    - Huh? Producers are not involved with sound quality - Sordidman 10:12:15 11/14/07 (2)
      - RE: Huh? Producers are not involved with sound quality - tomservo 09:37:50 11/15/07 (1)
        
        In my experience, it's the record comapanies directing the masterers -t - Sordidman 18:43:00 11/16/07 (0)
  - Producers? I don't think so.......... - Sordidman 13:29:28 11/13/07 (0)
- RE: Nero Fiddles as Rome Burns Revisited - b.l.zeebub 03:55:03 11/13/07 (0)
- so what are you doing about it? - Analog Scott 23:58:15 11/12/07 (6)
  - RE: so what are you doing about it? - Dan Banquer 04:38:35 11/13/07 (5)
    - Are CDs yr only source of music ? - cheap-Jack 11:17:30 11/13/07 (0)
    - fair enough - Analog Scott 04:53:42 11/13/07 (3)
      - RE: fair enough - Dan Banquer 04:36:14 11/14/07 (2)
        
        oddly enough - Analog Scott 22:42:50 11/14/07 (0)
        
        Hey, audiophiles don't care. - markrohr 12:23:19 11/14/07 (0)
- Recent CD purchases that sound **** GREAT **** - bjh 16:15:43 11/12/07 (0)
Pinging ALL who have been castigated in the past for 'quack' product recommendations. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 12:56:46 11/11/07 (329)
- Not surprisingly I suppose, several books are entitled Forbidden Science. - clarkjohnsen 10:57:34 11/15/07 (2)
  - RE: Not surprisingly I suppose, several books are entitled Forbidden Science. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:08:42 11/16/07 (1)
    - That's great, man! And yes it does comport well with my experience. - clarkjohnsen 11:52:50 11/16/07 (0)
- Just back from a trip where I was incommunicado. I'll get right on this... - clarkjohnsen 15:47:30 11/14/07 (2)
  - Ah, the Lodge Master Aspirant has cometh. - tlyyra 02:54:34 11/15/07 (0)
  - As they used to say on "The Wild, Wild West..." - andy_c 20:34:44 11/14/07 (0)
- Serious review of a Milton publication. - M3 lover 12:45:29 11/13/07 (98)
  - Just so you know........ - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:02:18 11/14/07 (7)
    - Thanks, it does help in forming a more detailed opinion of Milton. - tlyyra 12:14:16 11/15/07 (3)
      - Thanks - your post does help me to form an opinion of you too. :0) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:27:00 11/16/07 (2)
        
        Since you enjoy mystery, coded messages, and suppressed information... - tlyyra 10:35:40 11/16/07 (1)
        
        What can I say - you got me! :0) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 15:01:29 11/16/07 (0)
    - Interesting URL choice - Len_ 11:51:57 11/15/07 (2)
      - RE: Interesting URL choice - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:40:05 11/16/07 (1)
        
        RE: Interesting URL choice - Len_ 13:49:46 11/16/07 (0)
  - Objective? You kidding? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:13:33 11/13/07 (89)
    - He may be "most famous" but he is unknown to me. - M3 lover 15:40:07 11/13/07 (3)
      - RE: He may be "most famous" but he is unknown to me. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 16:03:56 11/13/07 (2)
        
        "I'm going to have to attempt to get it back on track by doing quite a bit of typing tomorrow" - Ted Smith 16:19:41 11/13/07 (1)
        
        Visualize World Peace :-) (nt) - andy_c 16:44:48 11/13/07 (0)
    - What does atheism have to do with evolution? - truthseekerprime 14:45:03 11/13/07 (84)
      - "Do you also believe the earth is 6,000 years old? " - Analog Scott 01:46:31 11/14/07 (0)
      - Can you support any of those statements? [nt] - Wellfed 15:10:50 11/13/07 (82)
        
        That sensible people see no conflict between religion and evolution? - truthseekerprime 15:17:02 11/13/07 (81)
        
        depends on the religion - Analog Scott 01:53:41 11/14/07 (6)
        
        RE: depends on the religion - morricab 07:40:21 11/14/07 (5)
        
        I disagree - Analog Scott 23:00:51 11/14/07 (4)
        
        When someone doesn't accept a huge set of obvious and indisputable facts, they aren't sensible. - truthseekerprime 05:34:42 11/15/07 (2)
        
        "Indisputable" - Analog Scott 09:59:31 11/17/07 (1)
        
        "Selfrighteousness"? No... everyone-but-a-few-nutjob-audiophile-righteousness is more like it. - truthseekerprime 10:33:11 11/17/07 (0)
        
        RE: I disagree - morricab 04:42:52 11/15/07 (0)
        
        RE: That sensible people see no conflict between religion and evolution? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 15:54:16 11/13/07 (62)
        
        OK, Chris: How about giving just one "massive flaw" on the evolution side. - robert young 18:27:10 11/13/07 (60)
        
        The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:45:38 11/14/07 (59)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - morricab 05:00:43 11/15/07 (12)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:32:33 11/15/07 (11)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - morricab 16:02:56 11/15/07 (7)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 15:36:19 11/16/07 (6)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - morricab 01:29:28 11/19/07 (5)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:25:28 11/19/07 (4)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - morricab 12:40:08 11/19/07 (3)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 14:07:37 11/19/07 (2)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - morricab 01:40:54 11/20/07 (1)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:16:48 11/20/07 (0)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - Len_ 11:28:34 11/15/07 (0)
        
        no scientific theory is ever proven - tunenut 10:52:50 11/15/07 (0)
        
        Someone once asked me, very huffily, "Well, what do you think of the theory of evolution then?" - clarkjohnsen 10:17:30 11/15/07 (0)
        
        RE: The Cambrian Explosion! Tasty little chestnut there for you..... - Len_ 16:31:35 11/14/07 (0)
        
        There is nothing about the Cambrian Explosion... - robert young 12:52:53 11/14/07 (44)
        
        RE: There is nothing about the Cambrian Explosion... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 14:14:54 11/14/07 (43)
        
        Maybe we disagree on the definition of "major flaw." - robert young 04:29:20 11/15/07 (22)
        
        LOL! We do! Major Flaws are only for beliefs you disagree with! [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:35:07 11/15/07 (21)
        
        No, that's not correct. - robert young 14:33:14 11/15/07 (19)
        
        RE: No, that's not correct. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:51:09 11/16/07 (3)
        
        It's rather sad your singular source of "evidence" is Milton (nt) - Len_ 13:39:41 11/16/07 (1)
        
        When you know your evidence will achieve nothing it makes you lazy - mea culpa! :0) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 15:39:56 11/16/07 (0)
        
        I'm embarrassed for you. (nt) - robert young 10:53:46 11/16/07 (0)
        
        RE: No, that's not correct. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:52:38 11/16/07 (14)
        
        Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - robert young 11:09:55 11/16/07 (13)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 15:17:14 11/16/07 (12)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - morricab 02:09:29 11/20/07 (10)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:15:22 11/20/07 (9)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - morricab 11:40:07 11/20/07 (8)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 14:06:20 11/20/07 (7)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - morricab 01:48:19 11/21/07 (0)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - morricab 01:40:29 11/21/07 (4)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:56:41 11/21/07 (3)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - morricab 01:56:47 11/22/07 (0)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - morricab 01:45:13 11/22/07 (1)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:00:26 11/22/07 (0)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - morricab 01:15:13 11/21/07 (0)
        
        RE: Obfuscation, or merely not getting it? - Len_ 16:08:18 11/16/07 (0)
        
        pot kettle black (nt) - Len_ 11:30:58 11/15/07 (0)
        
        RE: There is nothing about the Cambrian Explosion... - Len_ 16:31:44 11/14/07 (19)
        
        RE: There is nothing about the Cambrian Explosion... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:42:40 11/15/07 (18)
        
        RE: There is nothing about the Cambrian Explosion... - Len_ 11:21:58 11/15/07 (15)
        
        RE: There is nothing about the Cambrian Explosion... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:58:06 11/16/07 (14)
        
        RE: There is nothing about the Cambrian Explosion... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 15:54:46 11/16/07 (8)
        
        RE: There is nothing about the Cambrian Explosion... - Ted Smith 16:17:56 11/16/07 (7)
        
        RE: There is nothing about the Cambrian Explosion... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:32:11 11/17/07 (6)
        
        Can you explain something to me? - truthseekerprime 06:22:34 11/17/07 (3)
        
        RE: Can you explain something to me? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:41:24 11/18/07 (2)
        
        RE: Can you explain something to me? - truthseekerprime 06:50:42 11/18/07 (1)
        
        RE: Can you explain something to me? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:26:14 11/18/07 (0)
        
        Enjoy that SET! - robert young 06:19:13 11/17/07 (1)
        
        Today is Sunday so I'll try and sneak upstairs to indulge while the girlfriend's watching TV. :0) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:47:01 11/18/07 (0)
        
        Just give one factual situation that supports your claim. - robert young 11:11:15 11/16/07 (4)
        
        RE: Just give one factual situation that supports your claim. - Len_ 13:36:01 11/16/07 (3)
        
        You're still - geoffkait 08:06:44 11/17/07 (0)
        
        I'm at my limit as well. - robert young 14:11:38 11/16/07 (1)
        
        I've always appreciated his posts and I agree with his intent at the outset in the thread - Ted Smith 15:39:27 11/16/07 (0)
        
        "Any scientist who admitted a flaw would be ostracised and ridiculed." No kidding. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:20:41 11/15/07 (1)
        
        Not true! - morricab 03:09:54 11/16/07 (0)
        
        Please re-read my post. /nt - truthseekerprime 15:58:41 11/13/07 (0)
        
        RE: That sensible people see no conflict between religion and evolution? - Ted Smith 15:22:00 11/13/07 (10)
        
        I thought god was supposed to be omnipotent. If so it's responsible for everything. /nt - truthseekerprime 15:24:00 11/13/07 (9)
        
        Look up "omnipotent", it means can, not does... [nt] - Ted Smith 16:22:40 11/13/07 (8)
        
        I'll leave that one to the ancients: - truthseekerprime 17:28:59 11/13/07 (7)
        
        Your statement was wrong no matter how much you try to obfuscate your error. [nt] - Ted Smith 17:31:10 11/13/07 (6)
        
        What error? If Saint Augustine couldn't solve that one, I'm not betting much on Ted Smith. /nt - truthseekerprime 17:51:04 11/13/07 (5)
        
        Boy you run and you run... - Ted Smith 17:58:10 11/13/07 (4)
        
        "I pointed out the counter example of believing the devil did it." You're either joking or insane. /nt - truthseekerprime 18:00:53 11/13/07 (3)
        
        Nope you made a bogus claim about people's beliefs - Ted Smith 18:26:57 11/13/07 (2)
        
        What I said, actually, was that such people aren't sensible. - truthseekerprime 19:23:28 11/13/07 (1)
        
        Nope. [nt] - Ted Smith 19:31:33 11/13/07 (0)
- The most disturbing mind-set - gd 13:14:50 11/12/07 (0)
- The book is available through my city library system... - DeKay 09:59:31 11/12/07 (0)
- I don't think "quack" products want to be subjected to the scrutiny of science - Len_ 09:02:35 11/12/07 (32)
  - I don't think non "quack" products want to be subjected to the scrutiny of science - Analog Scott 11:18:37 11/12/07 (24)
    - RE: I don't think non "quack" products want to be subjected to the scrutiny of science - Len_ 11:30:46 11/12/07 (23)
      - Who says they don't welcome objective research? [nt] - Wellfed 21:30:41 11/12/07 (20)
        
        RE: Who says they don't welcome objective research? [nt] - Len_ 08:04:10 11/13/07 (19)
        
        Why, if I may ask?... - Wellfed 10:05:45 11/13/07 (18)
        
        If Geoff isn't afraid of scientific scruntity, why not? - Len_ 10:31:10 11/13/07 (17)
        
        They're lovely and delightful in my setup... - Wellfed 14:32:53 11/13/07 (3)
        
        "What gives anyway?" What gives is, you told us your experience... - clarkjohnsen 15:40:40 11/14/07 (2)
        
        RE: "What gives anyway?" What gives is, you told us your experience... - Len_ 16:07:11 11/14/07 (1)
        
        Simply shocking... - Wellfed 16:44:44 11/14/07 (0)
        
        RE: If Geoff isn't afraid of scientific scruntity, why not? - Len_ 12:04:49 11/13/07 (12)
        
        RE: If Geoff isn't afraid of scientific scruntity, why not? - geoffkait 12:40:25 11/13/07 (11)
        
        RE: If Geoff isn't afraid of scientific scruntity, why not? - Len_ 14:11:17 11/13/07 (10)
        
        RE: If Geoff isn't afraid of scientific scruntity, why not? - geoffkait 17:46:12 11/13/07 (2)
        
        As usual, a post that says absolutely nothing - Len_ 21:55:57 11/13/07 (1)
        
        The Cardinal Sin of Trolls - geoffkait 07:52:15 11/14/07 (0)
        
        Yes, the evidence is pretty strong Len_... - Wellfed 14:24:55 11/13/07 (6)
        
        Out of sheer curiousity ... - Len_ 14:50:02 11/13/07 (5)
        
        Calling a product that doesn't work out for you a 'hideous farce' is a start... - Wellfed 15:08:22 11/13/07 (4)
        
        RE: Calling a product that doesn't work out for you a 'hideous farce' is a start... - Len_ 15:13:52 11/13/07 (3)
        
        Let's try and answer your question with a few questions... - Wellfed 19:45:24 11/13/07 (2)
        
        RE: Let's try and answer your question with a few questions... - Len_ 21:53:17 11/13/07 (1)
        
        You sure are a whiney little fella... - Wellfed 22:44:14 11/13/07 (0)
      - Even with your clarification - Analog Scott 21:28:30 11/12/07 (1)
        
        RE: Even with your clarification - Len_ 07:54:00 11/13/07 (0)
  - I've never understood this argument - rbolaw 10:40:02 11/12/07 (4)
    - Well - bjh 11:11:51 11/12/07 (0)
    - RE: I've never understood this argument - Len_ 11:03:34 11/12/07 (2)
      - RE: I've never understood this argument - rbolaw 11:37:47 11/12/07 (1)
        
        RE: I've never understood this argument - Len_ 13:18:01 11/12/07 (0)
  - I didn't know that "products" had any desires at all - Analog Scott 10:21:52 11/12/07 (0)
  - Probably not... - Wellfed 10:11:47 11/12/07 (0)
- I see you're now using the R designation. Where are your reviews? - Rick W 08:54:53 11/12/07 (4)
  - LOL! Look closer....... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:44:30 11/12/07 (3)
    - "...and when I read the likes of Clark Johnson exalting certain products like the chip..." Waitaminnit! - clarkjohnsen 16:00:38 11/14/07 (0)
    - Found profile. - Rick W 10:13:21 11/12/07 (1)
      - Nice! Novellas (thankfully not yet novels!) yet novel all the same and-as we all know- - musetap 12:12:46 11/12/07 (0)
- you guys are a funny lot - Kloss 05:28:46 11/12/07 (0)
- The 'New Paradigm' of Clarkjohnsen and John Curl was even subjected to 16th-century type Inquisition -- HERE on AA! - tlyyra 03:54:02 11/12/07 (8)
  - RE: The 'New Paradigm' of Clarkjohnsen and John Curl was even subjected to 16th-century type Inquisition -- HERE on AA! - Rodney Gold 04:44:38 11/12/07 (7)
    - RE: "disruptive, inflamatory...derisive...or trolling type stuff " - tlyyra 05:36:59 11/12/07 (0)
    - RE: The 'New Paradigm' of Clarkjohnsen and John Curl was even subjected to 16th-century type Inquisition -- HERE on AA! - theaudiohobby 05:16:22 11/12/07 (5)
      - RE: The 'New Paradigm' of Clarkjohnsen and John Curl was even subjected to 16th-century type Inquisition -- HERE on AA! - Rodney Gold 06:25:11 11/12/07 (1)
        
        RE: The 'New Paradigm' of Clarkjohnsen and John Curl was even subjected to 16th-century type Inquisition -- HERE on AA! - theaudiohobby 07:43:47 11/12/07 (0)
      - RE: The 'New Paradigm' of Clarkjohnsen and John Curl was even subjected to 16th-century type Inquisition -- HERE on AA! - tlyyra 05:38:11 11/12/07 (2)
        
        RE: The 'New Paradigm' of Clarkjohnsen and John Curl was even subjected to 16th-century type Inquisition -- HERE on AA! - theaudiohobby 07:45:35 11/12/07 (1)
        
        RE: "Funny" - tlyyra 04:20:05 11/13/07 (0)
- More interesting is the definition of quackery - Rodney Gold 03:29:00 11/12/07 (0)
- RE: Pinging ALL who have been castigated in the past for 'quack' product recommendations. - andy19191 02:09:35 11/12/07 (28)
  - What?! No reply to my inquiry just below? Hmmm... nt - clarkjohnsen 10:25:18 11/15/07 (0)
  - "Tweako audiophile products make no attempt to follow the scientific method." Prove it! - clarkjohnsen 16:08:38 11/14/07 (4)
    - RE: "Tweako audiophile products make no attempt to follow the scientific method." Prove it! - andy19191 06:43:52 11/16/07 (3)
      - Question remains unaddressed (surprise surprise!), nor did I ever say what you attribute. Try again. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:39:00 11/16/07 (2)
        
        RE: Question remains unaddressed (surprise surprise!), nor did I ever say what you attribute. Try again. nt - andy19191 09:08:40 11/16/07 (1)
        
        Nice link. - tlyyra 11:12:21 11/16/07 (0)
  - you think science is the enemy of subjectivists? - Analog Scott 10:30:43 11/12/07 (0)
  - No no no no........ - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:58:59 11/12/07 (20)
    - RE: No no no no........ - andy19191 11:32:42 11/12/07 (19)
      - dude get real. - Analog Scott 00:02:56 11/13/07 (8)
        
        RE: dude get real. - andy19191 02:13:52 11/13/07 (7)
        
        It was to the point - Analog Scott 03:18:38 11/13/07 (6)
        
        RE: It was to the point - andy19191 04:32:16 11/13/07 (5)
        
        RE: It was to the point - Analog Scott 04:57:02 11/13/07 (4)
        
        RE: It was to the point - andy19191 06:49:55 11/13/07 (3)
        
        RE: It was to the point - Analog Scott 22:38:14 11/13/07 (2)
        
        RE: It was to the point - andy19191 07:53:23 11/14/07 (1)
        
        RE: It was to the point - Analog Scott 23:13:27 11/14/07 (0)
      - RE: No no no no........ - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 12:10:50 11/12/07 (9)
        
        RE: No no no no........ - bjh 14:01:02 11/12/07 (7)
        
        RE: No no no no........ - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:20:32 11/13/07 (6)
        
        RE: No no no no........ - bjh 11:05:00 11/13/07 (5)
        
        RE: No no no no........ - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:01:07 11/13/07 (4)
        
        RE: No no no no........ - bjh 13:35:58 11/13/07 (3)
        
        "an open mind...without a sufficiently functional junk filter...can be a true liability" For once I agree!/nt - truthseekerprime 14:51:39 11/13/07 (2)
        
        RE: "an open mind...without a sufficiently functional junk filter...can be a true liability" For once I agree!/nt - bjh 19:41:28 11/13/07 (1)
        
        Fortunately my junk filter filtered that out, so I have no idea what you said. - truthseekerprime 20:46:50 11/13/07 (0)
        
        RE: No no no no........ - andy19191 12:27:17 11/12/07 (0)
- Anomalies of the CMB - Peter Gunn 22:02:25 11/11/07 (28)
  - Astronomy Magazine Article. - Lynn 20:26:31 11/12/07 (1)
    - Thanks for the link! - Pat D 05:34:16 11/13/07 (0)
  - RE: Whoa, whoa, WHOA! Back the truck up! - Dr. S 13:38:54 11/12/07 (0)
  - Order does not equate to designed purpose - Len_ 08:57:39 11/12/07 (8)
    - RE: Order does not equate to designed purpose - Peter Gunn 12:22:31 11/12/07 (7)
      - Actually, it's a very sly and intelligent thing to say. - gd 12:47:44 11/12/07 (0)
      - RE: Order does not equate to designed purpose - Len_ 12:47:05 11/12/07 (5)
        
        RE: Order does not equate to designed purpose - Peter Gunn 13:16:14 11/12/07 (4)
        
        RE: Order does not equate to designed purpose - Len_ 13:33:49 11/12/07 (0)
        
        "there are objects that prove intelligence pre-ceeded them" - tunenut 13:25:42 11/12/07 (2)
        
        RE: "there are objects that prove intelligence pre-ceeded them" - Len_ 13:52:29 11/12/07 (1)
        
        and the fact that there is no credible evidence to support "intelligent" design theory -t - Sordidman 09:02:20 11/13/07 (0)
  - I happen to be an expert on the CMB... - truthseekerprime 08:02:08 11/12/07 (2)
    - RE: I happen to be an expert on the CMB... - Peter Gunn 08:29:43 11/12/07 (1)
      - I very much doubt that's what they said. If it is, I'll correct them. - truthseekerprime 14:02:47 11/12/07 (0)
  - Any URL pointers to this? [nt] - Steve Cortez 03:25:41 11/12/07 (7)
    - RE: Any URL pointers to this? [nt] - Peter Gunn 07:24:50 11/12/07 (6)
      - Thanks.... found some discussions here... - Steve Cortez 08:28:22 11/12/07 (5)
        
        Good Link - Peter Gunn 08:54:21 11/12/07 (4)
        
        how the heck is "creation" an explanation for that? - truthseekerprime 14:07:24 11/12/07 (0)
        
        RE: Good Link - Len_ 09:37:24 11/12/07 (2)
        
        RE: Good Link - Peter Gunn 12:12:11 11/12/07 (1)
        
        RE: Good Link - Len_ 12:29:27 11/12/07 (0)
  - RE: Anomalies of the CMB - Tom Schuman 00:10:43 11/12/07 (4)
    - RE: Anomalies of the CMB - Peter Gunn 07:08:43 11/12/07 (3)
      - RE: Anomalies of the CMB - Tom Schuman 13:22:36 11/12/07 (2)
        
        RE: Anomalies of the CMB - Peter Gunn 13:36:34 11/12/07 (1)
        
        RE: Anomalies of the CMB - Tom Schuman 17:02:42 11/12/07 (0)
- "Pinging" is pseudo science - suits_me 20:20:42 11/11/07 (1)
  - I think David pinged Goliath in the head with a rock (nt) - AJinFLA 16:05:07 11/12/07 (0)
- Here is another one that would be a perfect match for such minds - AJinFLA 17:52:07 11/11/07 (3)
  - Yes, everyone should rush out and buy that book! Yet another great invention suppressed by the establishment! - truthseekerprime 15:37:48 11/12/07 (0)
  - that's a fantastic site... - Tom Schuman 00:12:11 11/12/07 (1)
    - It nearly blew my gut, laughing so hard. - AJinFLA 15:30:49 11/12/07 (0)
- The man has an exposé on James Randi... - Steve Cortez 15:44:24 11/11/07 (4)
  - that "expose'" is worthless. No science, just ad hominem attacks. - Duilawyer 22:17:57 11/11/07 (1)
    - Milton's speculations are tame compared with reality... - Wellfed 23:19:54 11/12/07 (0)
  - RE: The man has an exposé on James Randi... - wstagner@yahoo.com 16:26:08 11/11/07 (1)
    - Idolizing Authority...... - Todd Krieger 19:14:14 11/11/07 (0)
- RE: Pinging ALL who have been castigated in the past for 'quack' product recommendations. - middleground 14:57:06 11/11/07 (10)
  - RE: Pinging ALL who have been castigated in the past for 'quack' product recommendations. - Tom Schuman 00:14:51 11/12/07 (0)
  - see, the reason one cable gives you - Duilawyer 22:23:36 11/11/07 (0)
  - RE: Pinging ALL who have been castigated in the past for 'quack' product recommendations. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 15:17:10 11/11/07 (7)
    - RE: Pinging ALL who have been castigated in the past for 'quack' product recommendations. - middleground 16:47:15 11/11/07 (6)
      - RE: Pinging ALL who have been castigated in the past for 'quack' product recommendations. - middleground 16:53:58 11/11/07 (5)
        
        RE: Pinging ALL who have been castigated in the past for 'quack' product recommendations. - Todd Krieger 19:26:06 11/11/07 (0)
        
        Sorry to hear/read about the MENSA thing, but don't.... - DeKay 17:16:46 11/11/07 (3)
        
        RE: Sorry to hear/read about the MENSA thing, but don't.... - middleground 19:56:57 11/11/07 (2)
        
        Sorry to hear/read you think you are greatly confused... - DeKay 21:59:44 11/11/07 (1)
        
        RE: Sorry to hear/read you think you are greatly confused... - middleground 04:47:48 11/12/07 (0)
- The author is a creationist - truthseekerprime 14:52:47 11/11/07 (87)
  - But creationist "science" and objectivist "science" have pretty much the same methodology - Analog Scott 06:11:50 11/12/07 (30)
    - What's "objectivist 'science'"?? - truthseekerprime 17:09:20 11/12/07 (18)
      - The psudoscience of - Analog Scott 21:37:55 11/12/07 (17)
        
        "proving all objectivist beliefs are scientific facts by use of hand selected anecdotal evidence." - truthseekerprime 06:34:48 11/13/07 (16)
        
        I don't think you checked very carefully - Analog Scott 23:17:26 11/14/07 (15)
        
        "please cite the physics and electrical engineering principles that support the notion that amps, wires..." - truthseekerprime 05:46:15 11/15/07 (14)
        
        What makes you believe that it's really an LTI system? - rick_m 17:01:42 11/17/07 (6)
        
        " Since amplifiers and wires that 'should' sound the same often don't" - truthseekerprime 17:13:46 11/17/07 (5)
        
        RE: " Since amplifiers and wires that 'should' sound the same often don't" - rick_m 18:37:07 11/17/07 (4)
        
        "reject out-of-hand as being "unscientific"." Not that - just totally unreliable. Bias is very, very strong. - truthseekerprime 23:40:39 11/17/07 (