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Cerious 2.0M liquid ceramic interconnect... - Len_

Is there such a thing as a benchmark or reference audio system? - Russ57 10:28:28 06/15/07 (7)
- For years, decades I've been arguing that the world lacks publically accessible Sound Standards. - clarkjohnsen 12:34:51 06/15/07 (0)
- Yes...... - Todd Krieger 11:42:26 06/15/07 (5)
  - RE: Yes...... - tomservo 18:06:34 06/15/07 (3)
    - RE: Yes...... - Todd Krieger 01:06:34 06/16/07 (2)
      - RE: Yes...... - tomservo 06:47:35 06/16/07 (1)
        
        RE: Yes...... - Todd Krieger 18:32:32 06/16/07 (0)
  - Blossom Music Center... - SF tech 16:35:44 06/15/07 (0)
"A Shocking Idea: Nerves Might Run on Sound, Not Electricity" - clarkjohnsen 07:14:44 06/15/07 (9)
- RE: This may be the first case we've seen - geoffkait 12:29:32 06/15/07 (0)
- "Substitute "audio cables" (loosely) for "nerves" and read on." - soulfood 10:20:15 06/15/07 (0)
- RE: "A Shocking Idea: Nerves Might Run on Sound, Not Electricity" - May Belt 09:09:36 06/15/07 (5)
  - That's how science works - Analog Scott 10:00:27 06/17/07 (3)
    - RE: That's how science works - May Belt 11:46:49 06/17/07 (2)
      - "Why not" is fodder for a whole 'nother scientific study IME... - Wellfed 12:21:09 06/17/07 (0)
      - I think you are being a bit, no perhaps way too sensitive. - Analog Scott 12:05:27 06/17/07 (0)
  - Rats! I had missed that; and you're right: "Such a simplistic response." - clarkjohnsen 09:34:55 06/15/07 (0)
- "We might be wrong," Jackson said, "but we're not crazy." - AJinFLA 07:37:35 06/15/07 (0)
RU Blinded by testing ? - tomservo 07:21:31 06/14/07 (57)
- RE: RU Blinded by testing ? - Analog Scott 13:55:04 06/17/07 (2)
  - You Hit On The Major Point...... - Todd Krieger 14:32:33 06/17/07 (1)
    - Here's another Attaboy... - Wellfed 22:06:18 06/17/07 (0)
- "Dim Bulbs"...... - Todd Krieger 19:55:42 06/14/07 (11)
  - Wow... that's exhaustive!... I'm exhausted... I'll just say "Attaboy!" ny - clarkjohnsen 07:56:00 06/15/07 (2)
    - Someone's Got To Do It..... - Todd Krieger 13:34:25 06/15/07 (1)
      - :) -nt - E-Stat 19:16:08 06/15/07 (0)
  - off topic and something on topic - unclestu52 22:37:16 06/14/07 (7)
    - So you can see the damper ring wrapped around the knob. - cheap-Jack 07:59:00 06/15/07 (1)
      - RE: So you can see the damper ring wrapped around the knob. - unclestu52 12:08:53 06/15/07 (0)
    - RE: off topic and something on topic - morricab 07:25:56 06/15/07 (2)
      - Yes - unclestu52 12:00:23 06/15/07 (0)
      - RE: off topic and something on topic - AJinFLA 07:33:01 06/15/07 (0)
    - I Guess I'm Not Up On My Diamonds, But..... - Todd Krieger 23:59:43 06/14/07 (1)
      - Nahh - unclestu52 00:09:01 06/15/07 (0)
- i think there's a major disconnect - stuck.wilson@gmail.com 13:33:09 06/14/07 (14)
  - Disconnect Is Right..... - Todd Krieger 18:26:32 06/14/07 (13)
    - So why do some subjectivists refuse to post their systems? - Atexanathome 12:37:30 06/17/07 (0)
    - My most cherished recording, that I love to sit back - AJinFLA 07:52:50 06/15/07 (0)
    - You've just described quite a few folks (nt) - E-Stat 20:36:02 06/14/07 (8)
      - I recall you posted... - mkuller 21:08:38 06/14/07 (7)
        
        Here you go - E-Stat 06:42:37 06/15/07 (5)
        
        I've actually greatly improved upon that system - AJinFLA 07:09:37 06/15/07 (4)
        
        RE: I've actually greatly improved upon that system - Todd Krieger 13:41:20 06/15/07 (1)
        
        The next step is Nordost Vanhilla internal wiring. SQ improvement so huge, a DBT could mask it completely (nt) - AJinFLA 20:46:49 06/15/07 (0)
        
        SEX-EEE. - stuck.wilson@gmail.com 08:41:48 06/15/07 (1)
        
        Will the improvement wrought by the wood be so enormous, that I would have to see it, to hear it? - AJinFLA 20:51:43 06/15/07 (0)
        
        PLEASE REPOST IT.... (nt) - thetubeguy1954 05:29:40 06/15/07 (0)
    - Peter Aczel is regularly reviewing CD and SACD - Lambda 19:26:29 06/14/07 (1)
      - Soundmind Too...... - Todd Krieger 20:55:17 06/14/07 (0)
- Any business that is not BS and illusion? - Norm 13:06:16 06/14/07 (6)
  - "This would be like taking two cars out for a 30 second road test." - SF tech 13:31:41 06/14/07 (1)
    - Now THAT's funny! - kerr 05:31:40 06/15/07 (0)
  - I could tell the difference between your and my speakers in less than 30 seconds - AJinFLA 13:13:03 06/14/07 (3)
    - Well that certainly earns you - E-Stat 15:49:17 06/14/07 (2)
      - Whre's your fashion sense? Those would clash with my Tin 'n Putty ears. No thnx (nt) - AJinFLA 09:19:18 06/15/07 (0)
      - Another - bjh 21:16:33 06/14/07 (0)
- A quibble: "...not made any capitol investments in refineries in ages." Hmm... - clarkjohnsen 12:29:45 06/14/07 (0)
- I guess I just don't get it - Russ57 08:33:17 06/14/07 (17)
  - RE: I guess I just don't get it - tomservo 11:19:56 06/14/07 (15)
    - Can I hit you up for some free advice? - Russ57 11:48:40 06/15/07 (1)
      - I'm not Tom, but - AJinFLA 19:59:37 06/16/07 (0)
    - Tom, I had the same experience with a Crown computer on several pairs of speakers. - Norm 06:50:18 06/15/07 (0)
    - It's real simple ... - bjh 13:35:40 06/14/07 (11)
      - RE: It's real simple ... - tomservo 16:39:51 06/14/07 (5)
        
        RE: It's real simple ... - bjh 17:30:26 06/14/07 (4)
        
        Using a BC22 driving PSB Stratus Gold-i? Ouch (nt) - AJinFLA 09:24:08 06/15/07 (0)
        
        "I do blind testing myself ... of the which cable do I like more variety" = high-end nonsense "tests" - Richard BassNut Greene 07:08:04 06/15/07 (2)
        
        One word.... - bjh 07:25:38 06/15/07 (1)
        
        I was expecting two words ... and "away" wasn't one of them - Richard BassNut Greene 13:23:18 06/15/07 (0)
      - Only to a simpleton - Richard BassNut Greene 13:50:39 06/14/07 (4)
        
        Only to a simpleton - bjh 14:01:54 06/14/07 (0)
        
        A Couple of Questions Richard - thetubeguy1954 14:00:12 06/14/07 (2)
        
        Most people prefer a little louder - Richard BassNut Greene 06:48:00 06/15/07 (0)
        
        d'ya mean actually judged on TONAL balance? - stuck.wilson@gmail.com 14:20:53 06/14/07 (0)
  - I believe it's essentially about insults and slights... - Wellfed 09:27:16 06/14/07 (0)
- RE: diamond music - mls-stl 08:10:58 06/14/07 (0)
Blind listening tests : The weakest link ? - Lambda 08:19:28 06/13/07 (200)
- You asked the million dollar question - Analog Scott 08:43:20 06/16/07 (0)
- RE: Blind listening tests : The weakest link ? - Todd Krieger 23:44:31 06/13/07 (0)
- RE: Blind listening tests : The weakest link ? - Pat D 22:06:19 06/13/07 (0)
- Long reply, but your questions are directly and specifically answered - Jon Risch 19:07:13 06/13/07 (44)
  - Great post, thanks, plus a very disturbing exposé in the first two paragraphs. - clarkjohnsen 11:00:54 06/14/07 (0)
  - Long-winded reply = just more "I know what I hear and could never be wrong" nonsense than usual - Richard BassNut Greene 07:15:23 06/14/07 (20)
    - Objectivist = Blind, Deaf & Dumb. - thetubeguy1954 09:52:03 06/14/07 (19)
      - "I'm starting to believe ... you're an ostrich with his head buried in the groud". - Richard BassNut Greene 13:27:24 06/14/07 (1)
        
        Now That WAS Funny Richard....Permission Granted With Pleasure! - thetubeguy1954 13:37:16 06/14/07 (0)
      - My ears are burning . . . - Pat D 11:34:08 06/14/07 (16)
        
        They Should Be.... - thetubeguy1954 13:02:29 06/14/07 (15)
        
        Making up opinions for me again, eh, Tom? - Pat D 20:16:22 06/14/07 (12)
        
        No You're Twistng Comments I've Said For Me again, Pat! - thetubeguy1954 08:02:12 06/15/07 (11)
        
        One does wonder why the guy has chosen audio as a hobby. At the same time... - clarkjohnsen 12:50:47 06/15/07 (1)
        
        Indeed ... - The Bored 10:34:21 06/16/07 (0)
        
        Your post contains 2,479 more words about your obsessions with me. - Pat D 10:07:59 06/15/07 (8)
        
        RE: Your post contains 2,479 more words about your obsessions with me. - The Bored 10:38:16 06/16/07 (2)
        
        But... are the charges *true*? Certainly looks that way, mostly, to me... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:33:27 06/18/07 (1)
        
        Thanks, For The Support Clark! (nt) - thetubeguy1954 05:51:04 06/19/07 (0)
        
        Yawwwnnnnnnn..... - thetubeguy1954 12:57:17 06/15/07 (4)
        
        Yawwwnnnnnnn.....Yep. - Pat D 13:25:27 06/15/07 (3)
        
        RE: Yawwwnnnnnnn.....Yep. - thetubeguy1954 14:25:40 06/15/07 (2)
        
        Can't you even take a joke? Lighten up, smell the roses . . . (nt) - Pat D 14:51:57 06/15/07 (1)
        
        Taking A Joke Goes Both Ways Pat! So Lighten Up & Smell The Roses . . . (nt) - thetubeguy1954 05:40:22 06/18/07 (0)
        
        Okay Tubular now I'm taking off the gloves and telling you exactly what I think of you and your posts - Richard BassNut Greene 13:39:08 06/14/07 (1)
        
        Agreed....(nt) - thetubeguy1954 13:55:08 06/14/07 (0)
  - DBT's definitely have their limitations..but sighted, uncontrolled, influenced by reading tests pose no limits - AJinFLA 19:23:27 06/13/07 (21)
    - BassNut's Rules for Sighted Auditions - Richard BassNut Greene 07:21:54 06/14/07 (1)
      - Morricab's rules for sighted auditions - morricab 07:58:19 06/14/07 (0)
    - No limits - Jon Risch 19:42:46 06/13/07 (18)
      - Scares? - AJinFLA 11:48:51 06/14/07 (1)
        
        RE: Scares? - morricab 14:14:07 06/16/07 (0)
      - YEAH! Make the recording studio "pros" perform DBTs before every sonic decision. Great idea! - clarkjohnsen 11:08:18 06/14/07 (0)
      - "No control. No rigid circumstances." And also no proof. - Pat D 21:25:09 06/13/07 (14)
        
        No control. No rigid circumstances Is Also Not Proof Of Imagined Differences Either! - thetubeguy1954 05:41:57 06/14/07 (13)
        
        No, it's simply not proven. That's basic. - Pat D 07:53:29 06/14/07 (12)
        
        You're Correct Imagined Differences Aren't Proven. - thetubeguy1954 09:34:31 06/14/07 (11)
        
        Well, I don't agree with the term "imagination," but overdetection is a proven fact - Pat D 10:54:29 06/14/07 (10)
        
        RE: Well, I don't agree with the term "imagination," but overdetection is a proven fact - morricab 10:54:12 06/15/07 (5)
        
        RE: Well, I don't agree with the term "imagination," but overdetection is a proven fact - Pat D 13:05:36 06/15/07 (4)
        
        RE: Well, I don't agree with the term "imagination," but overdetection is a proven fact - morricab 12:31:52 06/16/07 (3)
        
        That's an interesting point. - Pat D 20:47:21 06/16/07 (2)
        
        RE: That's an interesting point. - morricab 09:04:42 06/17/07 (0)
        
        Bingo. - AJinFLA 21:12:47 06/16/07 (0)
        
        Are imaginary witnesses to a "proof" a form of overdetection? (nt) - AJinFLA 13:03:46 06/14/07 (1)
        
        Could be! (nt) - Pat D 14:39:05 06/15/07 (0)
        
        Wrong, Wrong Wrong Once Again. - thetubeguy1954 12:51:40 06/14/07 (1)
        
        Proof is not personal. - Pat D 17:35:15 06/14/07 (0)
- RE: Blind listening tests : The weakest link ? - Posy Rorer 16:10:09 06/13/07 (72)
  - Posy says: "There is no such thing as audio illusions." - Pat D 18:22:09 06/13/07 (71)
    - Context is important too, Pat. - Posy Rorer 20:48:01 06/13/07 (67)
      - "Try to work on understanding the context of someone's words.' Rotsa ruck! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:40:28 06/14/07 (0)
      - Logic lesson. - Pat D 22:20:52 06/13/07 (65)
        
        RE: Logic lesson. - thetubeguy1954 10:00:05 06/14/07 (4)
        
        Well, if you want to disagree with established science for no reasons at all, that's up to you. (nt) - Pat D 11:48:08 06/14/07 (3)
        
        That's NOT What I'm Doing Pat & You Know It! - thetubeguy1954 06:10:28 06/19/07 (1)
        
        I seem to have read your post too hastily. - Pat D 06:03:31 06/21/07 (0)
        
        There is a reason. Religion is easier to understand than science, as it requires no thinking, only belief (nt) - AJinFLA 11:59:19 06/14/07 (0)
        
        RE: Logic lesson. - Posy Rorer 23:40:46 06/13/07 (59)
        
        LOL Posy says: "There is no "overdetection" in audio. " " - Pat D 08:03:12 06/14/07 (58)
        
        Pat says "Audio DBTs are proven to work". Ok, we can all stop arguing about it and go home now. - Posy Rorer 09:17:28 06/14/07 (57)
        
        So whose ears does one depend on in an SBT or DBT? - Pat D 12:07:41 06/14/07 (47)
        
        Don't be afraid to state the bleeding obvious here, Pat. - Posy Rorer 12:52:10 06/14/07 (46)
        
        You don't seem to understand DBTs. - Pat D 17:43:26 06/14/07 (45)
        
        This isn't NASCAR, Pat. You don't have to keep going around in circles. - Posy Rorer 00:09:16 06/15/07 (44)
        
        Do your own research, O Self-Proclaimed Expert! - Pat D 08:26:49 06/15/07 (43)
        
        So you've proven that you can't prove your assertions, but you continually demand proof of others for theirs? - Posy Rorer 12:09:04 06/15/07 (42)
        
        I just get tired of giving the same references to the same people who never read them. - Pat D 13:17:24 06/15/07 (35)
        
        As I get tired of people who continually play games of duck & dodge when asked to prove their assertions.... - Posy Rorer 15:17:26 06/15/07 (34)
        
        Since you've already pre-branded all those articles as pseudo-science, what would be the point? - Pat D 15:59:21 06/15/07 (33)
        
        The point is, you continue to ignore my request for proof of -your- claims, yet you're still here? - Posy Rorer 16:37:18 06/15/07 (32)
        
        Well, you seem to have started the Stereophile article but didn't read through it. - Pat D 21:27:56 06/15/07 (31)
        
        Well, you seem to have almost thought about finally supporting your claims, but you didn't. - Posy Rorer 22:27:10 06/15/07 (30)
        
        Posy makes a testable claim----but offers no evidence. - Pat D 11:58:43 06/16/07 (29)
        
        Who you talking to, Pat? Everyone's gone home now. - Posy Rorer 13:17:25 06/16/07 (28)
        
        But Posy, you don't seem to have proved anything at all about audio in your so-called "debates" here! - Pat D 14:19:07 06/16/07 (27)
        
        Yes I have, Pat. I've proven that you're unable to prove your assertions. - Posy Rorer 15:13:59 06/16/07 (26)
        
        Instead of discussing audio, you try to discuss me. (nt) - Pat D 18:21:56 06/16/07 (25)
        
        I tried, but you won't discuss audio! You keep ignoring my request that you prove your claims re: DBTs. - Posy Rorer 19:48:53 06/16/07 (24)
        
        I have shown that DBT is an established scientific protocol. - Pat D 21:31:30 06/16/07 (23)
        
        Means -nothing-. Bars & taverns are "established". "Proven" is another matter entirely. - Posy Rorer 18:00:41 06/17/07 (22)
        
        You're equivocating with different meanings of established. - Pat D 19:30:50 06/17/07 (21)
        
        You're misapplying the term "established" to your beliefs, and you've still never supported your claims! - Posy Rorer 22:05:54 06/17/07 (20)
        
        If you want to attack accepted scientific methodologies, - Pat D 07:00:51 06/18/07 (19)
        
        Pat, you don't even understand the basics of scientific method, alas. - Posy Rorer 12:26:41 06/18/07 (18)
        
        Ah, another self-declared winner! - Pat D 19:00:36 06/18/07 (17)
        
        Pat, I'm sorry but anyone can see you lost this debate ages ago. Since you're unable to admit that, seek help. - Posy Rorer 21:08:48 06/18/07 (16)
        
        Your posts are getting to be incoherent, Posy! Go to bed. - Pat D 23:17:37 06/18/07 (15)
        
        Your posturing isn't impressing anyone, Pat. You've failed to prove your claims... - Posy Rorer 16:44:23 06/19/07 (14)
        
        Who are you impressing, Posy? - Pat D 18:33:59 06/19/07 (13)
        
        I'm impressing real science, Pat. You're just making it nervous. - Posy Rorer 22:50:38 06/19/07 (12)
        
        LOL I'm waiting for your validation of sighted listening! (nt) - Pat D 07:06:04 06/20/07 (11)
        
        No jester, I didn't claim they were 'scientific'. Shame that all you've proven is you're a dishonest debater. - Posy Rorer 08:27:20 06/20/07 (10)
        
        Still no validation of sighted listening but more empty claims about your listening skills. - Pat D 09:50:46 06/20/07 (9)
        
        Are you that slow in the head, that you don't understand what "I didn't claim they were scientific" means? - Posy Rorer 10:17:15 06/20/07 (8)
        
        Oh my! - Pat D 15:11:22 06/20/07 (7)
        
        All you have to offer is subjective opinions. Stop pretending they're anything but, and hijacking real science - Posy Rorer 21:37:29 06/20/07 (6)
        
        But you told tubeguy you didn't believe in objective truth! - Pat D 03:47:24 06/21/07 (5)
        
        Well I certainly don't believe in "objective truth" from you since you failed to provide any! - Posy Rorer 09:10:48 06/22/07 (4)
        
        Solipsism - Pat D 10:05:31 06/22/07 (3)
        
        The Wrap-Up - Posy Rorer 16:59:44 06/24/07 (2)
        
        Audio solipsism - Pat D 07:06:45 06/25/07 (1)
        
        Pat, your obsession with me is beginning to seriously creep me out. - Posy Rorer 10:00:19 06/25/07 (0)
        
        Posy Save Your Time & Breath.... - thetubeguy1954 12:26:54 06/15/07 (5)
        
        Defending myself against false and misleading allegations. - Pat D 04:49:16 06/21/07 (1)
        
        Hypocritical much? - Posy Rorer 10:20:37 06/25/07 (0)
        
        I know that Pat always fails to prove his arguments, and never fails to deny he's wrong. But... - Posy Rorer 14:04:19 06/15/07 (1)
        
        my goal isn't to change the unchangeable minds of the Pat D.'s in this world. It's simply to make fun of them. - Pat D 04:57:29 06/21/07 (0)
        
        True... but I do admire the stylishness of his epistles. Plus... - clarkjohnsen 12:46:32 06/15/07 (0)
        
        "To improve the sound of your stereo... stop listening to [jj]" Great advice! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:49:01 06/14/07 (2)
        
        But Clark, jj typically didn't offer advice on what equipment to get! (nt) - Pat D 14:30:33 06/16/07 (1)
        
        Good sound, like good sex, has little to do with what your equipment is. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:35:42 06/18/07 (0)
        
        "The curmudgeonly jj." And quick as a "rabbit" at switching monikers. - clarkjohnsen 10:43:08 06/14/07 (0)
        
        Wonderful Response Posy! - thetubeguy1954 10:09:02 06/14/07 (4)
        
        RE: Wonderful Responses Yourself, tubeguy! - Posy Rorer 12:12:43 06/14/07 (1)
        
        Yes, well... - kerr 13:33:08 06/14/07 (0)
        
        So says the disciple of Harry Pearson. - Pat D 11:45:34 06/14/07 (0)
        
        Truly. And so stylish! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:49:42 06/14/07 (0)
    - Here's another illusion... - SF tech 18:55:38 06/13/07 (2)
      - RE: Here's another illusion... - Pat D 21:31:16 06/13/07 (1)
        
        Music composers start the first note in thier mind. - cheap-Jack 07:26:38 06/14/07 (0)
- Forget Blind or any other scientific tests. Subjectivists are gods. Tests or human psychology are inapplicable - AJinFLA 12:17:14 06/13/07 (14)
  - RE: Forget Blind or any other scientific tests. Subjectivists are gods. Tests or human psychology are inapplicable - morricab 08:06:04 06/14/07 (1)
    - RE: Forget Blind or any other scientific tests. Subjectivists are gods. Tests or human psychology are inapplicable - AJinFLA 17:30:04 06/14/07 (0)
  - Why do you suppose it is - E-Stat 15:10:09 06/13/07 (0)
  - For once you are right. It is like quality wine, women, and song, namely taste - Norm 13:38:34 06/13/07 (5)
    - RE: For once you are right. It is like quality wine, women, and song, namely taste - AJinFLA 16:30:12 06/13/07 (4)
      - Well I can see why all of the speaker coming from the group represented by Kevin Voecks so dominate the market - Norm 17:12:22 06/13/07 (3)
        
        "Wanting to not hear differences and then not hearing them." I can't imagine that species of... desire. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:32:29 06/14/07 (1)
        
        Wanting to hear differences and then hearing them. I can imagine that species of CD grinder. (nt) - AJinFLA 13:24:33 06/14/07 (0)
        
        Harman sells their fair share, but Bose dominates the market. They probably favor DBTs & Marketing as much as you do (nt - AJinFLA 19:03:37 06/13/07 (0)
  - If subjectivists were "gods", objectivists'd be super-gods. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:33:29 06/13/07 (4)
    - God gifted us with ears to listen since day one. Now super-gods challenge it. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:53:25 06/13/07 (3)
      - Hate to interrupt your conversation with yourself, but you forgot to finish with "Amen" (nt) - AJinFLA 16:45:49 06/13/07 (2)
        
        Yes "Amen" to the super-gods, Mr. Absolute Perfect hearing. (nt) - cheap-Jack 07:15:50 06/14/07 (1)
        
        And memory. 24/7 (nt) - AJinFLA 12:46:53 06/14/07 (0)
- Is Audio Objectivism Really Objective or Scientific? (Part 2 DBT) - thetubeguy1954 11:02:25 06/13/07 (11)
  - Another unconnected title: you don't define objectivism, but say something about DBTs. - Pat D 10:00:58 06/18/07 (0)
  - Obs v. Subs - Current status: Subs are winning! - Posy Rorer 16:46:30 06/13/07 (4)
    - "In most cases, the naysayers supported his arguments." Ironic, huh? nt - clarkjohnsen 10:27:26 06/14/07 (0)
    - And there you have it! From the mouth of Gods cousin, Posey Rorer: game, set, match. - Ugly 16:58:15 06/13/07 (1)
      - Actually, it was all proven over 20 years ago.... Obs v. Subs is the debate that never dies... - Posy Rorer 20:56:44 06/13/07 (0)
    - Ayn Rand is gonna be pissed (nt) - AJinFLA 16:52:13 06/13/07 (0)
  - RE: Is Audio Objectivism Really Objective or Scientific? (Part 2 DBT) - tomservo 12:37:50 06/13/07 (4)
    - Got a quibble with you. - clarkjohnsen 10:25:16 06/14/07 (0)
    - RE: Is Audio Objectivism Really Objective or Scientific? (Part 2 DBT) - thetubeguy1954 08:03:15 06/14/07 (0)
    - I have never heard an argument that DBTs are a waste of time from someone selling equipment. - Norm 13:49:00 06/13/07 (1)
      - Absolutely correct - kerr 04:42:41 06/14/07 (0)
- How very cruel to bring up blind testing, ... - bjh 10:44:46 06/13/07 (3)
  - Blind testing is for people to better understand their hearing abilities and the potential for self-deception - Richard BassNut Greene 07:48:54 06/14/07 (2)
    - So then your experience as a "Subjective Audiophile 2007" has advanced to the point where - bjh 09:38:09 06/14/07 (1)
      - Hey, how's that amp/combo doing Mr. Science/Measurement Man? Golden? (nt) - AJinFLA 13:21:38 06/14/07 (0)
- RE: Blind listening tests : The weakest link ? - tomservo 09:50:05 06/13/07 (1)
  - It's true: DBT drug/procedure tests bear no resemblance to the audio usage. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:08:14 06/14/07 (0)
- Statistically significant numbers of tests using... - E-Stat 09:43:51 06/13/07 (20)
  - RE: Statistically significant numbers of tests using... - kerr 10:23:18 06/13/07 (19)
    - You're describing the Roger Russell links very well (nt) - E-Stat 11:12:48 06/13/07 (13)
      - Saw 'em, read 'em, laughed at 'em (nt) - kerr 11:22:43 06/13/07 (12)
        
        RE: Saw 'em, read 'em, laughed at 'em (nt) - thetubeguy1954 12:56:54 06/13/07 (1)
        
        RE: Saw 'em, read 'em, laughed at 'em (nt) - kerr 13:38:43 06/13/07 (0)
        
        Of all the "tests" - E-Stat 11:29:16 06/13/07 (9)
        
        RE: Of all the "tests" - Pat D 22:13:36 06/13/07 (4)
        
        None exists one way or the other - E-Stat 06:00:38 06/14/07 (3)
        
        Yep. No proof they sound different, despite the vast difference in price. - Pat D 08:14:21 06/14/07 (2)
        
        You need to direct that question - E-Stat 08:18:34 06/14/07 (1)
        
        RE: You need to direct that question - Pat D 12:02:03 06/16/07 (0)
        
        RE: Of all the "tests" - kerr 12:00:56 06/13/07 (3)
        
        "Or 50 hours with the ICK-150 and rock concert JBL's...." - SF tech 19:08:57 06/13/07 (1)
        
        RE: "Or 50 hours with the ICK-150 and rock concert JBL's...." - kerr 04:26:50 06/14/07 (0)
        
        you really are cruel ! - E-Stat 17:14:05 06/13/07 (0)
    - That's A Joke.... - thetubeguy1954 11:08:16 06/13/07 (0)
    - Statistically insignificant post - Richard BassNut Greene 10:32:29 06/13/07 (2)
      - Yes It Is Richard - thetubeguy1954 11:16:29 06/13/07 (0)
      - RE: Statistically insignificant post - kerr 11:14:00 06/13/07 (0)
    - "Very telling" indeed. Telling of "objectivist" folly. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:29:35 06/13/07 (0)
- Here is one of my write ups on blind testing . . . - Pjay 09:42:17 06/13/07 (1)
  - Thank you, very interesting - Lambda 13:10:25 06/13/07 (0)
- DBTs are a reductionist strategy advocated by those who can't make decisions for themselves. - clarkjohnsen 08:46:46 06/13/07 (21)
  - RE: DBTs are a reductionist strategy advocated by those who can't make decisions for themselves. - May Belt 10:39:18 06/14/07 (0)
  - "they invariably question the procedures and demand a re-do"... - SF tech 18:33:08 06/13/07 (2)
    - There was no demand made in that instance, merely a helpful suggestion. - clarkjohnsen 10:01:22 06/14/07 (1)
      - RE: There was no demand made in that instance, merely a helpful suggestion. - SF tech 11:02:35 06/14/07 (0)
  - J. Godeon Holt said the ABX box was not audible -- I guess he was a fool and you know better? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:48:51 06/13/07 (16)
    - Yes, JG Holt was a fool. And no, he wasn't an audio God. - Posy Rorer 16:16:44 06/13/07 (7)
      - That's harsh! JGH had his faults (among them polarity deafness and digital defense) but... - clarkjohnsen 09:55:24 06/14/07 (6)
        
        RE: That's harsh! JGH had his faults (among them polarity deafness and digital defense) but... - Posy Rorer 14:09:39 06/14/07 (5)
        
        Credit is as credit's due. JGH was the pioneer... - clarkjohnsen 07:39:07 06/15/07 (4)
        
        RE: Credit is as credit's due. JGH was the pioneer... - Posy Rorer 12:54:44 06/15/07 (3)
        
        "They meet at the offices, and listen at the same time on the same system." That's just great. - clarkjohnsen 13:22:07 06/15/07 (2)
        
        RE: "They meet at the offices, and listen at the same time on the same system." That's just great. - Posy Rorer 14:58:56 06/15/07 (1)
        
        "It is capable of resolving any audio device you care to name." How about that most demanding source... - clarkjohnsen 07:28:34 06/16/07 (0)
    - J. Gordon Holt Also Heard Differences In Wires, Amps, Preamps, Etc. I Guess He Was A Fool & You Know Better? - thetubeguy1954 13:56:09 06/13/07 (2)
      - My point is this high-end guru who always "heard differences" but somehow the ABX switchbox passed his test - Richard BassNut Greene 06:55:50 06/15/07 (0)
      - (This post -- through necessity -- left unanswered.) nt - clarkjohnsen 09:52:43 06/14/07 (0)
    - Show us his test results. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:50:44 06/13/07 (4)
      - Read the positive J. Gordon Holt review of the ABX switchbox at the Stereophile website - Richard BassNut Greene 10:11:56 06/13/07 (3)
        
        RE: Read the positive J. Gordon Holt review of the ABX switchbox at the Stereophile website - kerr 10:25:29 06/13/07 (2)
        
        "A subjectivist review of an objectivist toy?" To a normal person... - clarkjohnsen 10:28:29 06/13/07 (1)
        
        Ah, you caught that! - kerr 11:01:22 06/13/07 (0)
- Subjective audiophiles bellowing "I know what I hear" interferes with the test - Richard BassNut Greene 08:38:03 06/13/07 (0)
Is Audio Objectivism Really Objective or Scientific? (Part 1) - thetubeguy1954 07:58:22 06/12/07 (84)
- Your title implies discussing objectivism and science, but in fact, you deal with a few people you dislike. - Pat D 21:19:52 06/13/07 (0)
- Your argument has a few holes in it... - SF tech 14:34:41 06/13/07 (0)
- Why Wires? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:47:54 06/13/07 (5)
  - Why Not? - thetubeguy1954 13:42:13 06/13/07 (2)
    - "people who claim to be objectivists here are actually here to stir up trouble, sling mud & create chaos" - Richard BassNut Greene 06:24:54 06/14/07 (1)
      - Technical and scientific discussion of amps, cables, etc. using sighted, unscientific methods. Amen (nt) - AJinFLA 12:55:16 06/14/07 (0)
  - Because if the focus ever became speakers, measurements would reveal what they were trying to hide - AJinFLA 12:32:11 06/13/07 (1)
    - Preaching what you practice I see... - Wellfed 17:19:33 06/13/07 (0)
- RE: Is Audio Objectivism Really Objective or Scientific? (Part 1) - Ugly 14:24:17 06/12/07 (5)
  - Excellent Points, But Are They Correct Under Scrutiny? - thetubeguy1954 07:35:08 06/13/07 (4)
    - You made some good points yourself. Isn't this forum scrutiny enough? - Ugly 00:52:30 06/14/07 (0)
    - Now that wires have been discredited, we need a new ideal. - rick_m 09:06:39 06/13/07 (2)
      - "Bootless arguments." Now there's a phrase! But back to the wire... - clarkjohnsen 09:44:30 06/13/07 (1)
        
        I don't know about that - kerr 10:20:44 06/13/07 (0)
- Beating Around the Bush..... - Todd Krieger 11:50:09 06/12/07 (21)
  - It's the "subjective" audiophiles who are Bush Beaters - Richard BassNut Greene 10:28:48 06/13/07 (1)
    - one can play both roles effectively! nt - jensw 11:46:45 06/13/07 (0)
  - All eight points -- AFFIRMATIVE. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:30:50 06/13/07 (0)
  - Great post - Analog Scott 22:24:50 06/12/07 (0)
  - RE: Beating Around the Bush..... - andy_c 21:20:42 06/12/07 (0)
  - RE: Beating Around the Bush..... - AJinFLA 13:19:29 06/12/07 (15)
    - RE: Beating Around the Bush..... - Todd Krieger 13:40:59 06/12/07 (14)
      - But they're not claiming abilities. They're claiming to hear differences to tout what they think is better - AJinFLA 15:41:44 06/12/07 (13)
        
        Held Hostage By Paranoia...... - Todd Krieger 22:12:52 06/13/07 (0)
        
        Perhaps your sensitivity lies elsewhere... - Wellfed 21:48:24 06/12/07 (11)
        
        Perhaps your didn't need a million $ - AJinFLA 09:44:46 06/13/07 (9)
        
        Perhaps you are now interested in discussing my Randi Challenge experience... - Wellfed 10:43:09 06/13/07 (8)
        
        No, I'm not a psychiatrist (nt) - AJinFLA 12:51:40 06/13/07 (3)
        
        Neither are you an analyst. [nt] - Wellfed 13:38:33 06/13/07 (2)
        
        A psychoanalyst perhaps? - AJinFLA 19:09:37 06/13/07 (1)
        
        Psycho maybe... - Wellfed 22:04:36 06/13/07 (0)
        
        It worries me that you cannot let this go. nt - clifff 11:59:13 06/13/07 (3)
        
        Don't worry... - Wellfed 13:33:42 06/13/07 (0)
        
        RE: It worries me that you cannot let this go. nt - thetubeguy1954 13:07:46 06/13/07 (1)
        
        You really are a silly ass! - clifff 15:29:27 06/13/07 (0)
        
        "An ancient philosophy that preaches non-preachiness..." Good recommendation. - clarkjohnsen 09:33:27 06/13/07 (0)
- "Many of the more vocal objectivists here on PHP would have us believe..." Is that the majority "us" ... - soulfood 10:02:34 06/12/07 (1)
  - Whew - AJinFLA 10:16:28 06/12/07 (0)
- Science is first and foremost a METHOD - Lambda 09:45:08 06/12/07 (45)
  - RE: Science is first and foremost a METHOD - Todd Krieger 14:21:10 06/12/07 (4)
    - "How is the 'way they proceed' objectionable, may I ask?" That's easy! - clarkjohnsen 09:02:35 06/13/07 (0)
    - A few examples - Lambda 05:39:03 06/13/07 (2)
      - RE: A few examples - Todd Krieger 23:00:30 06/13/07 (1)
        
        "Occam's Razor"..... - Todd Krieger 23:27:18 06/13/07 (0)
  - Misapplication of the Scientific Method...... - Todd Krieger 13:07:58 06/12/07 (1)
    - Hip hip hooray! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:49:51 06/13/07 (0)
  - RE: Science is first and foremost a METHOD - thetubeguy1954 11:23:12 06/12/07 (20)
    - Correction: Subjectivists don't have "findings", they have observations. - clarkjohnsen 09:11:11 06/13/07 (7)
      - Ah. I see. So one doesn't "find" a ghost in the attic, one "observes" it. Gottcha. (nt) - AJinFLA 12:39:51 06/13/07 (0)
      - Observations, some of which are likely to be caused by overactive audiophile imaginations - Richard BassNut Greene 10:08:19 06/13/07 (5)
        
        Again, please cite the experiments that establish your assertion. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:55:03 06/14/07 (0)
        
        "Audiophiles.. report hearing differences 50 to 75% of the time with absolutely no change in the components." - clarkjohnsen 10:26:00 06/13/07 (3)
        
        RE: "Audiophiles.. report hearing differences 50 to 75% of the time with absolutely no change in the components." - thetubeguy1954 13:18:37 06/13/07 (2)
        
        RBG is risible, an easy target. Sadly, there's no one else deeper. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:57:13 06/14/07 (1)
        
        And your posts are at a PhD level ? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:14:20 06/15/07 (0)
    - I wasn't assuming anything - Lambda 12:34:16 06/12/07 (11)
      - The Guru Is Always Right..... (Even When He's Wrong) - Todd Krieger 15:12:51 06/12/07 (4)
        
        RE: The Guru Is Always Right..... (Even When He's Wrong) - Lambda 06:18:42 06/13/07 (3)
        
        RE: The Guru Is Always Right..... (Even When He's Wrong) - Todd Krieger 22:41:10 06/13/07 (0)
        
        RE: The Guru Is Always Right..... (Even When He's Wrong) - Posy Rorer 16:34:39 06/13/07 (0)
        
        RE: The Guru Is Always Right..... (Even When He's Wrong) - Pat D 08:36:12 06/13/07 (0)
      - RE: I wasn't assuming anything - stuck.wilson@gmail.com 14:15:42 06/12/07 (5)
        
        Well, I don't know what to say - Lambda 10:32:57 06/13/07 (0)
        
        "Arrogance of this type is NOT scientific method." No kidding! And well said. - clarkjohnsen 09:16:24 06/13/07 (3)
        
        From the champion of science himself, Lord Clark "CD grinding" Johnsen (nt) - AJinFLA 19:30:24 06/13/07 (2)
        
        From the champion of pseudoscience, AJ "Everything-sounds-the-same-cos-I-say-so" inFLA -nt - Posy Rorer 21:12:27 06/13/07 (1)
        
        Hi Shrek. Be nice now, I'm on your side (nt) - AJinFLA 12:50:04 06/14/07 (0)
  - Admirably succinct. (nt) - Pat D 11:00:34 06/12/07 (15)
    - Pat D Calls A Completely False Statement Admirably Succinct ! - thetubeguy1954 12:00:09 06/12/07 (14)
      - I did not understand Lambda's post in the way you do. - Pat D 14:52:08 06/12/07 (5)
        
        That Hardly Surprises Me Pat - thetubeguy1954 08:24:44 06/13/07 (4)
        
        Can't we all be a little more charitable? - Lambda 09:40:51 06/13/07 (0)
        
        Well, you can understand things in a favorable light or you can look for personal attacks. Your choice. (nt) - Pat D 09:05:57 06/13/07 (2)
        
        I Base My Opinion On Your Past Actions Pat - thetubeguy1954 09:47:13 06/13/07 (1)
        
        What do my alleged past actions have to do with Lambda's post? - Pat D 14:52:25 06/13/07 (0)
      - RE: Pat D Calls A Completely False Statement Admirably Succinct ! - Ugly 14:43:24 06/12/07 (7)
        
        Not Addressing The Actual Topic Raised. - thetubeguy1954 08:38:33 06/13/07 (1)
        
        So you're saying... our "objectivists" are simply subjectivists in drag? - clarkjohnsen 09:25:59 06/13/07 (0)
        
        Quite so. (nt) - Pat D 15:04:25 06/12/07 (4)
        
        Your short quips are provoking me (nt) - AJinFLA 15:46:23 06/12/07 (3)
        
        Oh yeah! Well, you just watch out or there's liable to be more coming! - Pat D 06:31:46 06/13/07 (2)
        
        RE: Oh yeah! Well, you just watch out or there's liable to be more coming! - AJinFLA 09:46:02 06/13/07 (1)
        
        Oh, oh! - Pat D 11:50:24 06/14/07 (0)
  - Discuss? - AJinFLA 10:10:33 06/12/07 (0)
Shelf life of flux core solder? - nightdoggy 18:42:44 06/06/07 (6)
- RE: Shelf life of flux core solder? - unclestu52 14:12:51 06/08/07 (2)
  - I try to avoid contamination of my joint as well. - The Real Dick Hertz 18:19:16 06/08/07 (1)
    - Well, some of us lost souls from the 60's - unclestu52 04:19:32 06/09/07 (0)
- RE: Shelf life of flux core solder? - Tweekeng 14:04:08 06/08/07 (0)
- RE: Shelf life of flux core solder? - Dan Banquer 05:53:14 06/07/07 (1)
  - RE: Shelf life of flux core solder? - ontrack2@gmail.com 08:14:01 06/07/07 (0)
Blind test of Digital Audio RCA cables - Mr645 16:39:39 06/3/07 (43)
- All cables you tested carry digital audio signals for 5.1 home theatre surround sound ? - cheap-Jack 11:57:10 06/12/07 (0)
- RE: Blind test of Digital Audio RCA cables - john curl 20:44:09 06/06/07 (3)
  - Tires make a difference on my Jetta! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:11:26 06/11/07 (2)
    - Where's your proof? DBT's? 100 trials? Peer review? - kerr 06:38:52 06/12/07 (1)
      - I understand your concerns, and am surprised the usual suspects haven't already shouted me down. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:46:08 06/12/07 (0)
- Besides all the below... - clarkjohnsen 11:54:25 06/06/07 (21)
  - Could the system polarity possibly be inverted? What are the odds? :-) nt - geoffkait 04:41:35 06/07/07 (19)
    - Hmm... How does one determine whether a system has "inverted polarity"? nt - clarkjohnsen 08:27:50 06/07/07 (18)
      - XLO Test CD Tracks 2 and 3. nt - geoffkait 08:47:35 06/07/07 (17)
        
        Hmm... How does one determine whether the XLO CD is "correct"? nt - clarkjohnsen 08:50:57 06/07/07 (16)
        
        Could Prof K. Johnson be wrong? I don't think so. nt - geoffkait 10:08:36 06/07/07 (15)
        
        Prof. Johnson rides the fence. - clarkjohnsen 10:30:41 06/07/07 (14)
        
        RE: G. Louis said the XLO Test CD polarity is correct. Does that help? :-) nt - geoffkait 07:37:22 06/08/07 (13)
        
        No, hurts. So, is that the best you can do to support those wild assertions?... nt - clarkjohnsen 07:49:31 06/08/07 (12)
        
        RE: You need to get the XLO disc and prove it to yourself. nt - geoffkait 08:03:23 06/08/07 (11)
        
        C'mon Geoff ! - unclestu52 11:13:48 06/10/07 (5)
        
        RE: Actually, I (finally) think I see Clark's point. nt - geoffkait 12:28:08 06/10/07 (4)
        
        Hope so! And contrary to my antagonists' statements... - clarkjohnsen 13:35:41 06/10/07 (3)
        
        TWENTY years later - unclestu52 12:00:11 06/13/07 (0)
        
        RE: As E. G. Marshall says in 12 Angry Men, "You've convinced me. Not guilty." nt - geoffkait 14:01:09 06/10/07 (1)
        
        Very gracious, sir! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:49:59 06/11/07 (0)
        
        One can only "prove" that it is what it is; but what makes it "correct"? nt - clarkjohnsen 08:41:25 06/08/07 (4)
        
        RE: If you line up 100 CDs, are you saying 50 will have "opposite" polarity from others? - geoffkait 11:58:51 06/08/07 (1)
        
        It's all in The Wood Effect (1988). nt - clarkjohnsen 10:24:03 06/09/07 (0)
        
        RE: Buy me a polarity switch for my birthday and I'll call it even. nt - geoffkait 09:14:01 06/08/07 (1)
        
        I'd call that odd... - clarkjohnsen 09:48:15 06/08/07 (0)
  - Nice backhanded swipe there Clark... - SF tech 19:56:34 06/06/07 (0)
- Now try this... - mkuller 09:22:45 06/06/07 (0)
- Why would you need 10 feet of wire -- two channel audiophiles seem to get by with 3 feet or less - Richard BassNut Greene 09:11:53 06/06/07 (12)
  - Hmm funny how some react when they don't like the data - Analog Scott 12:53:42 06/09/07 (11)
    - What data? No data, no description of methodology. Just a claim. - Richard BassNut Greene 13:45:35 06/09/07 (10)
      - Just as I thought. You don't like the results - Analog Scott 14:21:05 06/09/07 (9)
        
        Evidently you don't like peer review. - Pat D 19:56:37 06/09/07 (8)
        
        Pat, what are you on? You are hallucinateing or - Analog Scott 21:56:01 06/09/07 (7)
        
        You responded to perfectly justified concerns with ad hominem attacks against Richard. - Pat D 16:52:49 06/10/07 (6)
        
        "hominem hominum hominum" - Richard BassNut Greene 08:03:15 06/11/07 (0)
        
        You are missing my point - Analog Scott 20:06:40 06/10/07 (4)
        
        "I have yet to see any so called objectivist ever question any blind test with a null result ever" - Richard BassNut Greene 08:00:06 06/11/07 (3)
        
        Talk is cheap - Analog Scott 21:47:11 06/12/07 (2)
        
        Never mind. I missread - Analog Scott 22:23:19 06/12/07 (1)
        
        Misread versus misunderstood - Richard BassNut Greene 08:01:00 06/13/07 (0)
- You were able to pick out the $1.99 cable because it lacked separation, dynamics, and sound stage? - Norm 06:55:17 06/06/07 (0)
- RE: Blind test of Digital Audio RCA cables - zanash 05:16:33 06/4/07 (0)
Is This DIY "Audiophile" Speaker Wire Project Viable? - thetubeguy1954 08:20:18 06/05/07 (4)
- Why not just give it a try and report back? That would be interesting...NT - Dman 11:28:21 06/07/07 (0)
- Low pass filter plus tuned damper. - Al Sekela 10:07:46 06/05/07 (0)
- RE: Is This DIY "Audiophile" Speaker Wire Project Viable? - tomservo 09:45:03 06/05/07 (0)
- It is a "low pass filter" - Russ57 09:15:58 06/05/07 (0)
Who here can guarantee that their great recordings were made on a "Broke-in" mic and "Burned-in" mic cable? - AJinFLA 16:22:09 06/04/07 (36)
- Who here can guarantee that my favorite recordings wre not made on a "Broke-in" mic and "Burned-in" mic cable? - Analog Scott 12:57:26 06/09/07 (0)
- RE: Who here can guarantee that their great recordings were made on a "Broke-in" mic and "Burned-in" mic cable - Awe-d-o-file 17:16:02 06/08/07 (0)
- It's a moot point for most..... - pburant 09:20:27 06/05/07 (1)
  - There's a *missed* point here as well, namely... - clarkjohnsen 09:53:25 06/05/07 (0)
- RE: Who here can guarantee that their great recordings were made on a "Broke-in" mic and "Burned-in" mic cable - tomservo 05:57:24 06/05/07 (11)
  - Don't you mean, I don’t know any recording types that care whether cables need to be or can be broken in? - Norm 16:19:13 06/05/07 (1)
    - Both formulations are probably true. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:40:24 06/07/07 (0)
  - RE: Who here can guarantee that their great recordings were made on a "Broke-in" mic and "Burned-in" mic cable - AJinFLA 14:26:05 06/05/07 (2)
    - mic = opposite of loudspeaker?? - pburant 10:10:47 06/06/07 (1)
      - Quite right. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:41:45 06/07/07 (0)
  - RE: Who here can guarantee that their great recordings were made on a "Broke-in" mic and "Burned-in" mic cable - kerr 07:41:28 06/05/07 (0)
  - Thanks Tom! - thetubeguy1954 07:24:34 06/05/07 (4)
    - RE:your welcome - tomservo 09:13:36 06/05/07 (3)
      - RE:your welcome - stuck.wilson@gmail.com 05:24:22 06/08/07 (1)
        
        Good post - kerr 10:30:47 06/08/07 (0)
      - De Nada - thetubeguy1954 05:42:09 06/06/07 (0)
- Learn from the master - Lambda 05:32:40 06/05/07 (0)
- A conversation with - unclestu52 20:44:37 06/04/07 (8)
  - RE: A conversation with - AJinFLA 15:13:18 06/05/07 (7)
    - Guess you didn't like that answer - Analog Scott 13:14:32 06/09/07 (1)
      - Bueller, Bueller, Anyone?... - Wellfed 14:40:11 06/10/07 (0)
    - While I realize that nothing - unclestu52 16:34:29 06/05/07 (4)
      - RE: failure testing isn't what was posited - mls-stl 09:15:47 06/06/07 (3)
        
        RE: failure testing isn't what was posited - unclestu52 19:22:26 06/06/07 (2)
        
        RE: failure testing isn't what was posited - mls-stl 20:06:21 06/06/07 (1)
        
        pardon me - unclestu52 21:10:10 06/06/07 (0)
- RE: Who here can guarantee that their great recordings were made on a "Broke-in" mic and "Burned-in" mic cable? - Dan Banquer 17:38:04 06/04/07 (9)
  - Well, I Googled "kosher chicken fat" and found... - andy_c 11:40:06 06/05/07 (4)
    - I'm telling you andy.... - Dan Banquer 11:59:49 06/05/07 (3)
      - Hey Dan, OT question - andy_c 17:53:09 06/05/07 (1)
        
        RE: Hey Dan, OT question - Dan Banquer 18:02:34 06/05/07 (0)
      - Liberal Use of Kosher Chicken Fat & Snake Oil By Objectivists - thetubeguy1954 13:06:13 06/05/07 (0)
  - How you guy's doing on the happy scale?... - Wellfed 21:14:46 06/04/07 (1)
    - "Buzz off!", they reply. (But the answer: Not very well.) nt - clarkjohnsen 09:48:13 06/05/07 (0)
  - When treating the cables with kosher chicken fat, - The Real Dick Hertz 21:05:01 06/04/07 (1)
    - RE: When treating the cables with kosher chicken fat, - Dan Banquer 03:21:00 06/05/07 (0)

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