Yep, I was one of those complete idiots who went to this event (the saturday session), I have to start out with saying that this was one of the most rewarding events I have ever been to. Contrary to all the pre-event predictions, nobody was trying to sell anything, as a matter of fact we had a very hard time trying to pry information out of some of manufacturers when questions about their items came up.
The event event consisted of three main sections, a live recording session presided over by Keith Johnson, a panel discussion on technical issues, interface issues etc, and a equipment demonstrations setup to see if the people attending could hear differences between things like SSD and spinning disk etc.
The recording session was very interesting, we divided up into two groups, one in the recording studio, listening live to the performers and the other group in the control room with Keith. After the recording we swapped places and did it again.
Keith went into detail on the microphone setup he used,why he set it up that way and what he was doing during the recording. It was very fascinating. The biggest problem with this section was that Keith was so fascinating to listen to that it was taking too long and going over schedule, the organizers had to cut the questions off. The files from these sessions will be available on Chris's website.
The second section was two sessions of panel discussions with a wide range of people and topics covering many different aspects of computer audio, including some detailed discussions on digital filters, aliasing, Nyquist etc. There were discussions on how hi res files are being used in studios and various methods of distribution. We also had some very interesting information on the physiology of human hearing and little bit on how this relates to what we hear.
I probably new about 65-70% of this information, but there was still a lot to learn. This was definitely the concentrated disemination of this information I've ever encountered. And the amazing thing was that it was done from an audiophile perspective, NOT an AES point of view. There was a lot of "we do this and it makes a difference in the sound, it shouldn't but it does", and "its all about tradeoffs, optimizing this can compromise that, you have to strike a balance for good sound".
Even though every body on this panel was commercially involved in computer audio in some way, NONE of them were spotlighting their own creations, it was about the generic issues in computer audio and the various ways these can be addressed.
Then we came what to me was the most fascinating part of the whole event, the hardware demos.
This consisted of 4 systems, a Matan server (custum built server) a silent PC running XP, a G5 Mac and a modern MacPro. All the systems had Lynx AES 16 cards (the MacPro was PCIe, the others were PCI) each connected to its own Pacific Microsonics Model 2 machine via AES. The model 2s sent a clock back to the Lynx cards so the Model 2 was the master.
All of these had been checked for bit perfectness and volume matched to within 400th of a dB. I'm not sure about all the details of the rest of the system, it had Magico speakers and sounded wonderful.
First off we listened to each of the systems with a SSD drive. The Mac systems were running Amara. I think the PS was using Samplitude, and the Matan had its own special playback software.
To my ears the PC was distant third compared to the other three which al sounded fairly similar.
Next we tried Spinning disks, then a NAS. The spinning disks did not do nearly as well as the SSDs. A number of people didn't like the NAS at all, but I thought it sounded in between the SSD and spinning disks. I presume that was due to different focus and preferences in the sound.
Then we tried the Macs with and without Amara. WOW, what a difference that made. I was not prepared for this. Without Amara it sounded like the soundstage collapsed and the low end almost just disappeared. Singers sounded like plastic cutouts without it and living breathing human beings with it. Without Amara the Macs and PCs were rather similar.
And remember this was done with Amara in bit perfect mode (actually tested to be so) on systems where the DAC was in complete control of the timing, and it STILL make that big a difference. As an engineer I was floored by that because I have no idea whats actually going on here.
There were several other systems at the symposium which were also running of Macs (including the new Ayre USB DAC off a Mac Mini) and they all exhibited this behavior, Amara just made a huge difference.
There were also other caparisons between different sample rates, everything was significantly better than 44.1, but 176.4s were even better than the 88.2 or 96. We didn't listen to any 192, since were were primarily listening to master files from several recording engineers and none of them record at 192.
Oh yeah, the food was GREAT. And I had some wonderful conversations with other audio nuts.
All in all a VERY worthwhile event.
John S.
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Topic - Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - John Swenson 00:26:28 06/29/09 (131)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - Gary G 22:38:47 07/06/09 (0)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - Gary G 19:22:03 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - Telstar 16:11:38 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - Phelonious Ponk 14:07:14 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - Ryelands 12:51:54 06/29/09 (1)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - Scrith 14:23:08 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - Todd Krieger 12:27:43 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - soundchekk 11:57:36 06/29/09 (0)
- A few questions... - Scrith 11:23:13 06/29/09 (94)
- RE: A few questions... - fmak 12:36:23 06/29/09 (2)
- RE: A few questions... - Scrith 12:56:21 06/29/09 (1)
- RE: A few questions... - abysstw 12:59:42 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: A few questions... - John Swenson 12:10:04 06/29/09 (86)
- Amarra - Scrith 12:50:12 06/29/09 (85)
- RE: Amarra - fmak 22:02:23 06/29/09 (1)
- RE: Amarra - Scrith 10:42:35 06/30/09 (0)
- RE: Amarra - Tuckers 16:51:14 06/29/09 (10)
- Compromising IP vs a general technical description - AbeCollins 18:55:18 06/29/09 (0)
- The question is simple... - Scrith 18:37:51 06/29/09 (7)
- RE: QB9 set up - BBQ 09:16:36 09/19/09 (0)
- Scrith, you're not going to like this. - Charles Hansen 22:12:19 06/30/09 (3)
- XP + DirectSound = bad - Scrith 10:38:27 07/01/09 (2)
- RE: XP + DirectSound = bad - Dawnrazor 21:38:04 07/01/09 (0)
- RE: XP + DirectSound = bad - Charles Hansen 21:16:21 07/01/09 (0)
- RE: The question is simple... - Dawnrazor 07:36:26 06/30/09 (2)
- RE: The question is simple... - Scrith 10:40:33 06/30/09 (1)
- RE: The question is simple... - John Swenson 11:33:01 06/30/09 (0)
- RE: Amarra - Phelonious Ponk 18:32:02 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Amarra - Mercman 14:30:45 06/29/09 (53)
- RE: Amarra - Scrith 20:08:20 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Amarra - AbeCollins 17:05:43 06/29/09 (51)
- RE: Amarra - Mercman 17:44:15 06/29/09 (50)
- RE: Amarra - Phelonious Ponk 18:47:10 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Amarra - Tony Lauck 18:47:08 06/29/09 (16)
- RE: Amarra - Gary G 17:04:57 07/02/09 (3)
- RE: Amarra - Tony Lauck 17:55:30 07/02/09 (2)
- RE: Amarra - Gary G 21:05:49 07/02/09 (1)
- RE: Amarra - Tony Lauck 07:54:38 07/03/09 (0)
- RE: Amarra - Tuckers 22:55:17 07/01/09 (8)
- The BMW of player software? - Tony Lauck 06:48:25 07/02/09 (7)
- RE: The BMW of player software? - Tuckers 12:47:51 07/02/09 (1)
- RE: The BMW of player software? - Tony Lauck 13:25:57 07/02/09 (0)
- RE: The BMW of player software? - artcheng@netvigator.com 08:43:45 07/02/09 (4)
- RE: The BMW of player software? - Tony Lauck 09:48:09 07/02/09 (3)
- RE: The BMW of player software? - artcheng@netvigator.com 09:52:55 07/02/09 (2)
- RE: The BMW of player software? - Tony Lauck 11:16:53 07/02/09 (1)
- Oy vey. - alan m. kafton 12:04:02 07/02/09 (0)
- RE: Amarra - Telstar 16:23:22 07/01/09 (0)
- Agree - AbeCollins 20:08:19 06/29/09 (1)
- RE: Agree - Dawnrazor 07:42:51 06/30/09 (0)
- Indeed. - alan m. kafton 18:21:25 06/29/09 (31)
- RE: Indeed. - Scab 08:59:28 06/30/09 (17)
- So? - alan m. kafton 09:55:27 06/30/09 (16)
- RE: So? - Scab 11:09:50 06/30/09 (15)
- RE: So? - alan m. kafton 11:47:49 06/30/09 (14)
- RE: So? - Scab 12:01:34 06/30/09 (13)
- Whether.... - alan m. kafton 12:26:04 06/30/09 (12)
- RE: Whether.... - Scab 12:31:29 06/30/09 (11)
- Please.... - alan m. kafton 12:33:09 06/30/09 (10)
- RE: Please.... - Scab 12:42:29 06/30/09 (9)
- Certainly.... - alan m. kafton 13:24:48 06/30/09 (8)
- RE: Certainly.... - Scab 09:18:55 07/01/09 (0)
- RE: Certainly.... - GCrouser@hvc.rr.com 08:12:29 07/01/09 (2)
- RE: Certainly.... - artcheng@netvigator.com 05:47:26 07/04/09 (1)
- RE: Certainly.... - Scab 08:29:08 07/04/09 (0)
- RE: Certainly.... - cfmsp 15:46:28 06/30/09 (3)
- Au contraire.... - alan m. kafton 16:50:41 06/30/09 (2)
- RE: Au contraire.... - Phelonious Ponk 15:47:58 07/04/09 (1)
- Not identical.... - alan m. kafton 16:42:49 07/04/09 (0)
- But there's an obvious distiction - AbeCollins 20:02:18 06/29/09 (12)
- RE: But there's an obvious distiction - Doc B. 09:38:22 06/30/09 (0)
- RE: But there's an obvious distiction - alan m. kafton 20:33:07 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: But there's an obvious distiction - Vincent VRS 20:29:50 06/29/09 (9)
- RE: But there's an obvious distiction - Scab 08:46:24 06/30/09 (8)
- Yes. - alan m. kafton 09:56:43 06/30/09 (6)
- RE: Yes. - Scab 11:16:16 06/30/09 (5)
- RE: Yes. - alan m. kafton 11:41:01 06/30/09 (4)
- RE: Yes. - Scab 12:04:00 06/30/09 (3)
- Why don't you.... - alan m. kafton 12:32:03 06/30/09 (2)
- RE: Why don't you.... - Scab 12:48:04 06/30/09 (1)
- RE: Why don't you.... - alan m. kafton 13:16:04 06/30/09 (0)
- RE: But there's an obvious distiction - Vincent VRS 08:56:18 06/30/09 (0)
- RE: Amarra - AbeCollins 13:45:20 06/29/09 (17)
- RE: Amarra - Scrith 14:17:51 06/29/09 (3)
- RE: Amarra - Telstar 16:21:04 06/29/09 (2)
- RE: Amarra - Scrith 19:51:18 06/29/09 (1)
- RE: Amarra - Telstar 16:44:11 07/01/09 (0)
- RE: Amarra - John Swenson 14:14:17 06/29/09 (12)
- Indeed - Scrith 19:57:10 06/29/09 (11)
- Scientific method - John Swenson 12:14:28 06/30/09 (4)
- RE: Scientific method - SashaV 05:44:36 07/04/09 (0)
- I thought engineers just said so.... - Dawnrazor 20:30:34 06/30/09 (0)
- I vote for option 3 :-) nt - Tony Lauck 19:24:15 06/30/09 (0)
- Perfect. [nt] - alan m. kafton 12:22:28 06/30/09 (0)
- RE: Indeed - Vincent VRS 20:50:04 06/29/09 (3)
- RE: Indeed - Scrith 10:31:45 06/30/09 (0)
- Wide of the mark - Andyman 02:35:27 06/30/09 (1)
- RE: Wide of the mark - Vincent VRS 07:42:42 06/30/09 (0)
- RE: Indeed - artcheng@netvigator.com 20:42:27 06/29/09 (1)
- RE: Indeed - fmak 11:02:39 06/30/09 (0)
- Aww, sounds like this kid didn't get to go to Disney... here, want a hotdog? - abysstw 11:35:25 06/29/09 (3)
- Forget the hot dog! - Scrith 14:59:42 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Aww, sounds like this kid didn't get to go to Disney... here, want a hotdog? - fmak 12:27:00 06/29/09 (1)
- Oh, because that is clearly relevant. Somehow you contribute more by hiding behind the id "fmak"? - abysstw 12:58:16 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - audioengr 11:16:27 06/29/09 (1)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - Telstar 16:26:36 06/29/09 (0)
- Thanks John - Mercman 10:35:58 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - fmak 10:01:11 06/29/09 (8)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - audioengr 11:15:23 06/29/09 (7)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - fmak 12:28:45 06/29/09 (3)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - audioengr 20:04:58 06/29/09 (2)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - artcheng@netvigator.com 20:44:18 06/29/09 (1)
- Saracon - Thomas James 21:39:36 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - Tony Lauck 12:02:11 06/29/09 (2)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - audioengr 20:08:20 06/29/09 (1)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - Tony Lauck 20:30:19 06/29/09 (0)
- Would be interesting to know details of PC setup - there are several make it/break it decisions... - carcass93 09:23:16 06/29/09 (3)
- memory timings - Telstar 17:17:29 07/01/09 (0)
- RE: Would be interesting to know details of PC setup - there are several make it/break it decisions... - John Swenson 11:20:56 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Would be interesting to know details of PC setup - there are several make it/break it decisions... - Doc B. 10:03:56 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - artcheng@netvigator.com 08:53:54 06/29/09 (5)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - John Swenson 12:23:28 06/29/09 (4)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - matanarazi 21:54:19 06/30/09 (3)
- Matan Server - RioTubes 06:15:27 07/01/09 (2)
- RE: Matan Server - matanarazi 10:37:43 07/01/09 (1)
- RE: Matan Server - RioTubes 11:00:17 07/01/09 (0)
- Amara? - jimmyjames 07:35:35 06/29/09 (1)
- Amarra! - jimmyjames 07:41:02 06/29/09 (0)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - drrd 05:30:00 06/29/09 (3)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - John Swenson 12:30:27 06/29/09 (2)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - drrd 13:02:07 06/29/09 (1)
- RE: Computer Audio Symposium - quick impression - John Swenson 14:31:39 06/29/09 (0)
- Excellent report - many thanks (nt) - Ryelands 02:35:05 06/29/09 (0)