Some recent posts have discussed improving PC-audio sound quality by modifying or replacing motherboard power supplies. Proposals have ranged from lead-acid batteries large enough to boost Exide stock (Rick McM) through high-end linear designs for "satellite" players (John S) to adding enough capacitance to dim the lights (Alfred).
As I recently had encouraging results from trying a slightly different approach on a PC system, I thought I’d report what I found.
I'm NOT claiming that what I've done is better than the above, just that it's cheap, quick, reversible and IMHO surprisingly effective.
Stage one: the P4 12v plug of an ATX PSU has two 12-volt lines joined together and two ground lines ditto. A 4-pin 12v P4 extension cable was cut in half to enable the fitting of a small paddleboard fitted with ten 1,000uF, 16vw capacitors wired in parallel accorss the 12-volt and Gnd lines. See:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=34109
It cost under £10 to make the board and under an hour to do the work. The effect on sound quality, however, was (is) dramatic and repeatable on both the Biostar and a Gigabyte G31 boards recommended for cMP2. The extender makes it easy to do “before-and-after†comparisons.
Incidentally, it also makes it easy (ish) directly to measure the CPU’s current draw, something I’ve never seen reported (though I’m sure it’s done often enough). So far, I’ve measured it only briefly and only on the 65nm Biostar board.
I had assumed it would vary wildly but it was surprisingly stable: an E1200 processor drew 1.4 amps on power-up and during POST but, as the OS loaded, it dropped to and stayed at between 0.7 and 0.8 amps and rose again by about 100 milliamps when running cPlay (without upsampling).
I assume that most of the drop is down to cMP2’s lowered clock speeds and other optimisations.
The total power draw of a Biostar motherboard and PSU measured at normal clock speeds with a power meter in the wall socket suggested that BIOS-disabling devices such as the LAN and on-board audio saved at most a couple of watts out of a total of about 50.
Presumably, it’s the effect on OS bloat that matters here as the changes are certainly audible. Whatever, a full "hair shirt" cMP2 configuration lowered consumption to well under 40 watts.
In the light of what seem to be rather modest CPU currents, I did wonder if much less than 10,000 added uF would have been equally effective.
I also measured voltage ripple before and after fitting the mod. Though I had expected it to fall, it was unchanged at about 200 mV with a Corsair HX520 unit and about 400 mV with a (much more costly) Nesteq NA4501. (BTW, I read somewhere recently that Corsair and Antec units have the same circuitry - can ayone confirm this?)
I’m sure that the SQ improvement would be apparent on any system, not just a cMP2, though I would not (even dare to) comment on the Mac. Could I persuade any Linux or Windoze user with at least modest soldering skills to repeat the test?
Stage two involved adding a 1,000uF cap to each power line of the ATX-24 socket, i.e. one each to the two 12-volt lines, the four 3.3-volt lines and the five 5-volt lines but leaving the signal and -12 volt lines untouched. See:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=98854
This mod is much more time consuming to do and, for obvious reasons, must be carefully checked. Again, however, the effect on sound quality was way beyond what I’d dared hope for. (That’s as much as I’ll say as I find audio-review-speak toe-curling.)
I made some notes on how to make up the board, which was trickier than I expected. If anyone would like a copy, please e-mail me.
For some reason, I cannot upload images to the list so if anyone wants a pic of the paddleboards, again just e-mail me.
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The effort persuades me of the three things. First, those who stress that computer audio SQ depends critically on power supply quality are, without a shadow of doubt, right.
Second, it is possible to make some worthwhile improvements at negligible cost by paying attention to basic electrical parameters.
Third, proposals by John S and others to by-pass SMPS technology altogether are almost certainly worth pursuing.
If you’re still reading, thanks for your interest.
Dave
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Topic - If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 11:06:42 12/27/08 (64)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - bwl@bwlawrence.co.uk 14:46:24 03/22/13 (1)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 02:26:42 03/23/13 (0)
- After playing with my dual SMPS setup for a few hours... - mesmer 11:54:02 02/24/09 (0)
- They are not my mods - they are Ryelands - sondale 08:06:43 02/19/09 (0)
- RE: They are not my mods - they are Ryelands - theob 08:24:13 02/19/09 (0)
- Add me to the ryelands/sondale school of p4 cap mods... - theob 14:37:07 02/18/09 (2)
- Glad that you like it too! Here's another idea... - mesmer 00:40:46 02/19/09 (1)
- RE: Glad that you like it too! Here's another idea... - Ryelands 03:04:52 02/19/09 (0)
- RE: Glad that you like it too! Here's another idea... - mesmer 05:03:09 02/19/09 (0)
- The caps indeed work, fit them now! - mesmer 14:38:14 02/16/09 (0)
- RE: The caps indeed work, fit them now! - Ryelands 08:06:41 02/17/09 (0)
- RE: The caps indeed work, fit them now! - mesmer 13:28:05 02/17/09 (0)
- So glad it works for you as well. - sondale 04:10:29 02/17/09 (0)
- RE: So glad it works for you as well. - mesmer 13:46:28 02/17/09 (0)
- RE: So glad it works for you as well. - sondale 14:30:37 02/17/09 (0)
- RE: So glad it works for you as well. - mesmer 14:56:30 02/17/09 (0)
- No - all you need is a box and ... - sondale 15:10:57 02/17/09 (0)
- RE: No - all you need is a box and ... - Ryelands 02:43:53 02/18/09 (0)
- RE: No - all you need is a box and ... - mesmer 08:06:46 02/18/09 (0)
- RE: No - all you need is a box and ... - Ryelands 09:02:29 02/18/09 (0)
- RE: No - all you need is a box and ... - sondale 02:50:12 02/18/09 (0)
- What kind of caps should I use for this mod? - mesmer 13:40:29 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: What kind of caps should I use for this mod? - sondale 02:09:50 02/11/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . diagram for 24pinATX - sondale 11:10:52 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . diagram for 24pinATX - TJF 14:36:42 06/11/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . diagram for 24pinATX - Ryelands 14:53:13 06/11/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - mesmer 07:56:03 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 08:54:21 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - sondale 08:23:20 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - mesmer 08:57:56 02/10/09 (0)
- The diagram didn't come out quite as I expected... - mesmer 09:05:34 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: The diagram didn't come out quite as I expected... - Ryelands 09:16:36 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - sondale 09:04:31 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - mesmer 09:22:31 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 09:27:42 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - mesmer 10:35:03 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 13:29:06 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - mesmer 13:53:58 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 14:01:18 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . and theres more - sondale 05:56:49 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . and theres more - Ryelands 07:09:11 02/10/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . .and they DO - sondale 12:24:36 01/13/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - mschneider 08:37:29 12/28/08 (3)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 09:28:34 12/28/08 (2)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 09:54:03 12/31/08 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - mschneider 09:37:12 12/28/08 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Old Listener 23:10:21 12/27/08 (15)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 05:07:37 12/28/08 (14)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Old Listener 10:57:39 12/28/08 (11)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 05:26:42 12/29/08 (10)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Old Listener 16:36:05 12/29/08 (9)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 03:27:37 12/30/08 (8)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Old Listener 13:42:33 12/30/08 (6)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 05:31:39 12/31/08 (5)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Old Listener 13:55:44 12/31/08 (2)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 03:03:40 01/01/09 (1)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Old Listener 11:14:59 01/01/09 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - mschneider 05:59:39 12/31/08 (1)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - Ryelands 06:28:47 12/31/08 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - sonics 04:05:25 12/30/08 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - fmak 06:09:29 12/28/08 (1)
- Which is why it is recommended to power the HDD separately - rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com 09:15:43 12/28/08 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - fmak 21:53:01 12/27/08 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - sonics 14:41:35 12/27/08 (0)
- RE: If the caps work, fit them . . . - mschneider 13:22:02 12/27/08 (0)