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In Reply to: RE: Don't worry.... posted by Bob_C on June 18, 2015 at 09:35:03
""audio manufacture put some parts in a pretty box and charges be $$$ does it automatically make it revolutionary or great?""Do you think that I'm saying that?
Do you think that that is all an innovator like Ed Meitner has done? Put a $400 CD player into a fancy box? Do you think that many high-end manufacturers who've had a lot of experience in designing great sources are the same as manufacturers who set up a factory to run off 5 million $400 CD players? Do you think that high end audio manufactuer's end staying in business if they build devices in fancy boxes that a DIYER can build?
Nothing says "closed mind" louder than someone who denigrates the builder of an almost universally recognized SOTA product as "the same thing in a fancy case"
In the case of the Auralic Aries, (which really isn't even the best, or that great a product). It has very few of the elements of a commercial, multi-function, PC: (no noisy power supply, no EIDE/HD bus, no PCI bus, no multi-USB bus, (important), - no IDE or bus for DVD/CD, no chip fans, no typical, involved, on mainboard video. Plus it has SPDIF added, higher quality connectors everywhere, etc.
""You can buy an expensive amplifier or build one that can sound just as good,""
That can be true, and it can be very untrue. It depends on what you mean by expensive, and what kind of amplifier you're talking about. And how expensive will it be for you to build? No DIYer can build a LAMM amp for the same amount that will sound as good as a LAMM. (There are lots of good reasons why this is so).
""I've been doing this for years.""
Building amps that sound just as good as whose? I do not believe you, and I don't think that you're capable. Yeah, I believe that a talented DIYer can build the equivalent of a Vincent amp.
""If you have had bad luck getting good sound from a conventional computer system I'm sorry, but you cannot project this on everyone else.""
I don't, I'm getting pretty good sound from a conventional computer system. But, the rest of my system is close to a SOTA system, and the conventional computer system doesn't measure up. I happen to enjoy the experience more, when it sounds better. And of course, this isn't about me. So far, most EVERYONE is claiming that their network digital file players are sounding better than their modded conventional computer. I am not projecting anything onto anyone else. I am of the OPINION that no computer, (especially unmodified at great expense), can compare with music playback, as a high end playback manufacturer, - who are experts at superior performing audio playback, as opposed to computer designers who denigrate high performance audio.
""One of my current systems is actually just like some of the streamers that seem to be so loved, but without the pretty box or high-price. ""
Actually the "box" on the Aurilic Aries is crap. Have you heard any network file player? How would you know if your box measures up if you haven't directly compared your box? Yes, the power supply, cooling fans, etc. are important. But what about the connectors? Lack of USB buses, PCI buses, noisy video section, EIDE bus, and of course, your conventional mainboard with more noisy functions, as opposed to the custom one in the Aries and the Sonore?
""Believe me some manufacturers do not go this far, and for the average person this may be fine""
We, (or I), am not talking about some manufacturers, I am talking about high end audio manufacturers and designers, - who design for 1 thing, and are experts, and are (somewhat) inspired toward great sound, not Email.
"you have to try and keep an open mind"
Yep, that's why I seek out a wide range of experiences, and products. There's often, (certainly not always: I can cite tons of expensive gear builders whom I think build dogs), great reasons why expensive gear performs better, sometimes even a cursory investigation leads us to understand why.
The Fact is that a conventional, commercial, computer starts out as a piece of shit for superior audio playback, and it's not even designed and considered for mediocre audio playback by computer engineers. There's nothing WRONG with that. It's DESIGNED to do 1000s of tasks with 100s of software programs. It contains very few of the important elements in great hardware, and therefore great audio playback. A talented DIYer (perhaps yourself), can go in and modify some or several of these major problems & hindrances to great sound. But a high-end audio manufacturer, who knows what it takes to build/design superior performing audio products, can design more from the ground up, cut out the superfluous, and knows more about mitigating the noise & other issues... If you've really optimized your computer, you've spent thousands of dollars, and you've gotten yourself a pretty fancy box.
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Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
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