RE: And assuming your post is sincere,

Posted by Bob_C (A) on April 18, 2015 at 15:03:17

In Reply to: RE: And assuming your post is sincere, posted by Mercman on April 18, 2015 at 04:16:11:

Steve,

It is obvious that he is using a system that cannot discern any difference. He is utilizing,(if the story is true that he actually did install and listen) a general desktop computer. Standard power supply, hard drives, internal soundcard not what one would consider an audiophile system.

As you know because you also been doing this for a long time, each time you improve something in your system you lift a veil, improve resolution. By doing so it allows you to go further, and actually appreciate changes that you've made. If you have a very low end noisy RF generating system, any improvements will be swamped by the noise and you will not be able to hear any difference.

He is never going to understand or accept this. His original quest when sent by Jim was to denigrate Jplay, and continues to be so. There is no real honest conversation. This is the Internet, which is similar to the Wild West. What Jim has done is a real lowlife thing, and it could not take place in the real world. To say another product is a hoax would get you in court but on the net it is a free-for-all and open to dishonesty. Honest people do not stoop so low but dishonest manufacturers like
JRiver will put up such a page.. They felt threatened because Jplay began receiving good reviews, and they thought it affect their sales. As at the end of the day it's all about the money.

JRiver cares nothing about sound, originally J River was a database, accounting software. They give zero credence to sound quality, they just don't understand.

They go along and keep selling the software while laughing at audiophiles. They are a mid-fi company with a low fi sense of morality.

They actually do not deserve anyone's money, and eventually it looks like a product like Roon may put them out of business. Roon is actually a interesting piece of software and deserve some investigation. Hopefully they will allow integration with other output applications. If so one could use Roon as the library and a good sounding application for the output. This might be the best of both worlds, and the end of J River.

Maybe JRiver can go back to writing accounting software, maybe they should've stayed writing accounting software and we would not have this argument.

Audiophiles should build audiophile equipment, and create audiophile software. If one is not really interested in the field the only reason that they actually do this is to make money. It shows a great lack of integrity for a company such as J River to have a public webpage denigrating another company. In industry even adversarial companies work together. If you look at the Internet all the providers who are at war with each other for a customer base also work together to support the Internet backbone. Without this cooperation there would be no infrastructure. A Time Warner customer goes online and his packets are handed off to Verizon, who maybe hands them off to Comcast etc.

No other audiophile manufacture except for JRiver has ever come forward with such crap. The fact that some people think this is acceptable shows their lack of integrity also. This is the Internet as we know it and maybe one day will change to a place of civility, but at the moment it is a free for all and people will take advantage of this.

JRiver has been reported many times already to IC3 which is the site for Internet crime complaints. Hopefully more people will report them and the FBI will investigate them. Maybe then they will realize what they're doing is wrong. If their bottom line gets affected they will change their tune. In the meantime it's best to ignore the trolls.

Regards
Bob

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Follow Ups Full Thread

Topic - JPlay a hoax - audiogremlin 19:12:08 04/17/15 (44)

RE: JPlay a hoax - kerkula 11:06:25 04/18/15 (2)

You have a total of 70 asylum posts in 14+ years.... - Ivan303 12:12:40 04/18/15 (1)

Kind of reminds me of a Joke...... - Cut-Throat 17:44:59 04/18/15 (0)

RE: JPlay a hoax - SBGK 08:03:03 04/18/15 (0)

RE: JPlay a hoax - Mercman 04:36:51 04/18/15 (0)

Assuming your post is sincere, - Jon L 23:23:31 04/17/15 (33)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Jaundiced Ear 01:18:41 04/18/15 (32)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Mercman 04:16:11 04/18/15 (4)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Bob_C 15:03:17 04/18/15 (3)

RE:No Tech. - Ugly 07:47:43 04/19/15 (1)

RE:No Tech. - Bob_C 12:03:07 04/19/15 (0)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Mercman 15:19:37 04/18/15 (0)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Ryelands 02:33:56 04/18/15 (26)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Jaundiced Ear 04:13:06 04/18/15 (25)

OK, let's get back to basic logic here - Jaundiced Ear 08:22:18 04/18/15 (2)

RE: OK, let's get back to basic logic here - Ryelands 09:20:01 04/18/15 (1)

RE: OK, let's get back to basic logic here - Mercman 11:19:07 04/18/15 (0)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Old SteveA 07:14:26 04/18/15 (14)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Jaundiced Ear 21:50:03 04/18/15 (9)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Old SteveA 05:11:05 04/19/15 (0)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Bob_C 00:28:19 04/19/15 (7)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Mercman 04:46:08 04/19/15 (4)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Bob_C 11:53:32 04/19/15 (3)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Mercman 12:31:49 04/19/15 (2)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Bob_C 14:40:52 04/19/15 (1)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Mercman 15:45:35 04/19/15 (0)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Jaundiced Ear 00:55:43 04/19/15 (1)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Bob_C 12:01:50 04/19/15 (0)

RE: "Since when did these "big players" take an interest in the "field" of serious Audio reproduction ?" - Ivan303 07:51:37 04/18/15 (3)

RE: "Since when did these "big players" take an interest in the "field" of serious Audio reproduction ?" - Old SteveA 10:21:51 04/18/15 (2)

RE: "Since when did these "big players" take an interest in the "field" of serious Audio reproduction ?" - Ivan303 12:01:04 04/18/15 (1)

RE: "Since when did these "big players" take an interest in the "field" of serious Audio reproduction ?" - Old SteveA 14:46:58 04/18/15 (0)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Ryelands 05:41:32 04/18/15 (4)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Jaundiced Ear 21:02:03 04/18/15 (2)

Nits, picking of - Ryelands 00:11:37 04/19/15 (1)

This may seem incredible to you - Jaundiced Ear 00:39:34 04/19/15 (0)

+1... - Ivan303 07:40:13 04/18/15 (0)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Mercman 05:23:50 04/18/15 (1)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Jaundiced Ear 21:57:34 04/18/15 (0)

I've never heard this before... - JeffH 21:48:16 04/17/15 (0)

RE: JPlay a hoax - internethandle 21:17:34 04/17/15 (2)

Why shouldn't he be allowed to post here? - Jaundiced Ear 22:29:31 04/17/15 (1)

RE: Why shouldn't he be allowed to post here? - internethandle 19:33:10 04/18/15 (0)

Tube Motherboard! - Ivan303 21:04:09 04/17/15 (0)

Follow Ups

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Bob_C 15:03:17 04/18/15 (3)

RE:No Tech. - Ugly 07:47:43 04/19/15 (1)

RE:No Tech. - Bob_C 12:03:07 04/19/15 (0)

RE: And assuming your post is sincere, - Mercman 15:19:37 04/18/15 (0)

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