In Reply to: DAC Sales hit the skids? Add a DSD Module!! posted by Sprezza Tura on October 15, 2014 at 08:45:24:
Bargain Alert.
For $1300 you can add a "network Streamer" to your HiFi, which does not do DSD at all, has no USB connection to the DAC, uses SPDIF only (read jitter central on 99 out of 100 DAC's out there), requires you to buy an iPad or aPad to control it and a NAS to hold the data.
Considering that the hardware in the streamer is low grade enough no self respecting 2014 cellphone would employ it and considering it is based on generic computer/cellphone chips this must be a huge bargain.
Then again, 399 + 5 USD buys you a touchscreen equipped cellphone that can stream DSD-512 and PCM-768 from local SD Card storage to any USB DAC so equipped and can stream up to 500MbPS (enough in theory for DSD512) plus needed software and it would even be battery powered.
Or you could get a Touchscreen equipped 14" Ultrabook of last years generation for that money and add software.
People sitting in glasshouses and all that...
Thor
At 20 bits, you are on the verge of dynamic range covering fly-farts-at-20-feet to intolerable pain. Really, what more could we need?
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- Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Thorsten 12:50:16 10/15/14 (192)
- TROLL ALERT: is it possible to cram more mis-info into 1 post? - Sordidman 12:52:35 10/16/14 (140)
- Seems you manage fine to cram more into a subject line than I get in a whole post... - Thorsten 02:04:11 10/17/14 (139)
- You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Sordidman 13:48:44 10/17/14 (138)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - fmak 02:00:37 10/19/14 (8)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Thorsten 01:53:42 10/20/14 (0)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Ryelands 05:25:30 10/19/14 (6)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Tony Lauck 18:12:36 10/20/14 (2)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Ryelands 00:05:35 10/21/14 (1)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Bob_C 18:53:57 10/21/14 (0)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Bob_C 14:02:25 10/19/14 (1)
- We shall see - fmak 22:15:30 10/19/14 (0)
- Any inmate with expertise - fmak 06:36:55 10/19/14 (0)
- my conclusions are what they are, you are not showing any contrary evidence - Thorsten 02:19:38 10/18/14 (83)
- I am not making any claims. Experience = knowledge - Sordidman 09:21:28 10/20/14 (2)
- RE: I am not making any claims. Experience = knowledge - Tony Lauck 18:22:04 10/20/14 (1)
- yes: A priori vs A posteriori in audio playback - the 2nd is most - Sordidman 18:47:12 10/21/14 (0)
- this is just a set of - fmak 00:11:17 10/19/14 (2)
- Pot, Kettle, Black nt - Tony Lauck 08:04:51 10/19/14 (0)
- RE: this is just a set of - Thorsten 00:29:32 10/19/14 (0)
- The problem is the method used to evaluate DACs and digital sources - Tony Lauck 08:34:26 10/18/14 (76)
- right:VRDS NEO sounds the same as a Plextor!! LOL - Sordidman 17:21:22 10/19/14 (27)
- Plextor!! LOL - fmak 22:09:29 10/19/14 (1)
- RE: Plextor!! LOL - Tony Lauck 18:29:42 10/20/14 (0)
- RE: right:VRDS NEO sounds the same as a Plextor!! LOL - Tony Lauck 18:42:49 10/19/14 (24)
- People with experience hear these products under a - Sordidman 09:28:19 10/20/14 (4)
- RE: People with experience hear these products under a - Tony Lauck 10:41:51 10/20/14 (3)
- Appreciate your comments: But they are out of scope - Sordidman 11:29:24 10/20/14 (2)
- RE: Appreciate your comments: But they are out of scope - Tony Lauck 11:42:02 10/20/14 (1)
- RE: Appreciate your comments: But they are out of scope - Sprezza Tura 12:10:39 10/20/14 (0)
- DACs using SPDIF are broken by design - fmak 22:07:10 10/19/14 (14)
- RE: DACs using SPDIF are broken by design - Tony Lauck 09:22:54 10/20/14 (13)
- Why expect heroic DAC engineering to overcome a flawed interface? - Dave_K 08:40:24 10/21/14 (3)
- RE: Why expect heroic DAC engineering to overcome a flawed interface? - fmak 22:03:52 10/21/14 (1)
- Hey Fred - Sordidman 14:50:55 10/22/14 (0)
- RE: Why expect heroic DAC engineering to overcome a flawed interface? - Tony Lauck 12:36:14 10/21/14 (0)
- RE: DACs using SPDIF are broken by design - Bob_C 23:11:31 10/20/14 (7)
- RE: DACs using SPDIF are broken by design - fmak 03:34:46 10/21/14 (6)
- RE: DACs using SPDIF are broken by design - Sprezza Tura 07:28:53 10/21/14 (0)
- RE: DACs using SPDIF are broken by design - Tony Lauck 06:54:48 10/21/14 (4)
- RE: DACs using SPDIF are broken by design - Sprezza Tura 07:32:44 10/21/14 (2)
- RE: DACs using SPDIF are broken by design - Tony Lauck 07:40:15 10/21/14 (1)
- RE: DACs using SPDIF are broken by design - Sprezza Tura 07:43:17 10/21/14 (0)
- RE: DACs using SPDIF are broken by design - fmak 07:25:34 10/21/14 (0)
- WaveIO = e99 + post + wait - fmak 21:59:10 10/20/14 (0)
- RE: right:VRDS NEO sounds the same as a Plextor!! LOL - Sprezza Tura 19:15:53 10/19/14 (3)
- RE: right:VRDS NEO sounds the same as a Plextor!! LOL - Tony Lauck 20:28:42 10/19/14 (2)
- RE: right:VRDS NEO sounds the same as a Plextor!! LOL - Sprezza Tura 20:41:23 10/19/14 (1)
- RE: right:VRDS NEO sounds the same as a Plextor!! LOL - fmak 22:11:26 10/19/14 (0)
- RE: The problem is the method used to evaluate DACs and digital sources - Thorsten 11:45:32 10/18/14 (40)
- In my own house I use LED Lamps - fmak 22:57:29 10/20/14 (4)
- RE: In my own house I use LED Lamps - Thorsten 07:23:46 10/21/14 (3)
- RE: In my own house I use LED Lamps - fmak 22:07:23 10/21/14 (2)
- RE: In my own house I use LED Lamps - Thorsten 03:13:22 10/22/14 (1)
- Not worth wasting my digits in response - fmak 04:05:06 10/22/14 (0)
- RE: The problem is the method used to evaluate DACs and digital sources - Tony Lauck 13:51:07 10/18/14 (34)
- But you would never know, - so why guess? - Sordidman 09:38:32 10/20/14 (30)
- RE: But you would never know, - so why guess? - Bob_C 23:21:50 10/20/14 (0)
- RE: But you would never know, - so why guess? - Tony Lauck 10:09:28 10/20/14 (28)
- Because some transports sound better than others - Sordidman 11:45:21 10/20/14 (27)
- RE: Because some transports sound better than others - Tony Lauck 12:12:52 10/20/14 (17)
- your assumption is erroneous: born out by experience - Sordidman 14:44:51 10/20/14 (16)
- RE: your assumption is erroneous: born out by experience - Tony Lauck 17:45:37 10/20/14 (15)
- Nope: less read errors due to less disc wobble -t - Sordidman 20:11:02 10/20/14 (11)
- RE: Nope: less read errors due to less disc wobble -t - Tony Lauck 20:50:03 10/20/14 (10)
- Nope: still errors, & less with VRDS wi live playback - Sordidman 21:39:16 10/20/14 (9)
- RE: Nope: still errors, & less with VRDS wi live playback - Tony Lauck 07:29:35 10/21/14 (8)
- You don't use listen tests to determine data errors - Sordidman 10:00:01 10/21/14 (7)
- RE: You don't use listen tests to determine data errors - Tony Lauck 12:10:29 10/23/14 (5)
- RE: You don't use listen tests to determine data errors - Sprezza Tura 12:56:26 10/23/14 (4)
- RE: You don't use listen tests to determine data errors - Tony Lauck 14:58:59 10/23/14 (3)
- RE: You don't use listen tests to determine data errors - Sprezza Tura 17:10:17 10/23/14 (2)
- RE: You don't use listen tests to determine data errors - Tony Lauck 19:41:00 10/23/14 (1)
- RE: You don't use listen tests to determine data errors - Sprezza Tura 07:49:12 10/24/14 (0)
- I feel sorry for TL - fmak 05:58:24 10/23/14 (0)
- RE: your assumption is erroneous: born out by experience - Sprezza Tura 18:05:18 10/20/14 (2)
- RE: your assumption is erroneous: born out by experience - Tony Lauck 18:53:49 10/20/14 (1)
- RE: your assumption is erroneous: born out by experience - Sprezza Tura 19:28:15 10/20/14 (0)
- RE: Because some transports sound better than others - Sprezza Tura 12:07:01 10/20/14 (8)
- RE: Because some transports sound better than others - Sordidman 15:05:57 10/20/14 (7)
- RE: Because some transports sound better than others - Sprezza Tura 15:47:11 10/20/14 (6)
- RE: Because some transports sound better than others - Tony Lauck 19:06:48 10/20/14 (5)
- RE: Because some transports sound better than others - Sprezza Tura 19:25:57 10/20/14 (4)
- RE: Because some transports sound better than others - Bob_C 23:30:56 10/20/14 (3)
- RE: Because some transports sound better than others - Sprezza Tura 07:30:41 10/21/14 (2)
- RE: Because some transports sound better than others - Bob_C 08:49:28 10/21/14 (1)
- RE: Because some transports sound better than others - Sprezza Tura 09:01:32 10/21/14 (0)
- RE: The problem is the method used to evaluate DACs and digital sources - rick_m 09:15:12 10/19/14 (2)
- I agree - fmak 23:18:50 10/19/14 (1)
- As you have so rightly, and repeatedly, pointed out - Sordidman 09:46:52 10/20/14 (0)
- RE: The problem is the method used to evaluate DACs and digital sources - Sprezza Tura 08:58:35 10/18/14 (6)
- Some inmates do not - fmak 23:20:39 10/19/14 (0)
- RE: The problem is the method used to evaluate DACs and digital sources - Tony Lauck 10:46:45 10/18/14 (4)
- RE: The problem is the method used to evaluate DACs and digital sources - Sprezza Tura 11:08:27 10/18/14 (3)
- Audio Note - fmak 23:23:03 10/19/14 (2)
- RE: Audio Note - Bob_C 23:37:13 10/20/14 (1)
- Many people do to some degree... - fmak 03:40:26 10/21/14 (0)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Sprezza Tura 14:21:12 10/17/14 (44)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Tony Lauck 17:13:22 10/17/14 (43)
- I disagree with you and agree with Sprezza Tura - fmak 23:02:29 10/17/14 (17)
- RE: I disagree with you and agree with Sprezza Tura - Thorsten 12:12:18 10/18/14 (16)
- What you seem unable to comprehend is - fmak 22:49:30 10/18/14 (3)
- Your comprehension lags... - Thorsten 00:25:34 10/19/14 (2)
- RE: Your comprehension lags...Bol***** - fmak 01:14:05 10/19/14 (1)
- RE: Your comprehension lags...Bol*****-2TB - fmak 05:46:56 10/19/14 (0)
- RE: I disagree with you and agree with Sprezza Tura - Tony Lauck 14:15:24 10/18/14 (11)
- RE: I disagree with you and agree with Sprezza Tura - Thorsten 23:59:43 10/18/14 (2)
- RE: I disagree with you and agree with Sprezza Tura - Tony Lauck 07:12:29 10/19/14 (1)
- RE: I disagree with you and agree with Sprezza Tura - Thorsten 07:25:55 10/19/14 (0)
- small size probably makes it a poor radiator. - fmak 22:55:18 10/18/14 (0)
- RE: I disagree with you and agree with Sprezza Tura - Sprezza Tura 20:31:22 10/18/14 (2)
- RE: I disagree with you and agree with Sprezza Tura - Tony Lauck 07:57:07 10/19/14 (1)
- RE: I disagree with you and agree with Sprezza Tura - Sprezza Tura 17:57:09 10/19/14 (0)
- RE: "SD card itself already is a computer," - rick_m 18:54:04 10/18/14 (3)
- with every fabrication process shrink, memory becomes cheaper but more unreliable - fmak 23:02:42 10/18/14 (2)
- RE: with every fabrication process shrink, memory becomes cheaper but more unreliable - Tony Lauck 07:41:13 10/19/14 (1)
- Buying SD Cards - fmak 08:44:11 10/19/14 (0)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Sprezza Tura 17:26:19 10/17/14 (24)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Tony Lauck 17:59:49 10/17/14 (23)
- The pictures of the Aries have been posted here - Sordidman 19:25:59 10/17/14 (19)
- RE: The pictures of the Aries have been posted here - Bob_C 22:57:06 10/17/14 (18)
- "enough already" - Sordidman 11:32:46 10/20/14 (17)
- RE: "enough already" - Bob_C 11:50:15 10/20/14 (16)
- RE: "enough already" - fmak 22:12:37 10/21/14 (6)
- RE: "enough already" - Bob_C 23:06:32 10/21/14 (5)
- RE: "enough already" - Sordidman 14:11:08 10/22/14 (4)
- RE: "enough already" - Bob_C 20:32:36 10/22/14 (3)
- RE: "enough already" - Dave_K 15:34:31 10/23/14 (2)
- RE: "enough already" - Sprezza Tura 17:04:04 10/23/14 (0)
- RE: "enough already" - Bob_C 16:55:47 10/23/14 (0)
- A mother board is a mother board - Dave_K 09:19:59 10/21/14 (3)
- True that some things affect SQ more. - Sordidman 14:21:39 10/22/14 (2)
- RE: True that some things affect SQ more. - Bob_C 12:59:04 10/23/14 (0)
- RE: True that some things affect SQ more. - Dave_K 09:08:25 10/23/14 (0)
- RE: "enough already" - Sordidman 14:55:47 10/20/14 (4)
- RE: "enough already" - Bob_C 16:09:25 10/20/14 (3)
- RE: "enough already" - Sordidman 16:15:19 10/20/14 (2)
- RE: "enough already" - Bob_C 16:22:44 10/20/14 (1)
- If you're actually going to start talking about the subject - Sordidman 16:42:25 10/20/14 (0)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Sprezza Tura 18:16:34 10/17/14 (0)
- RE: You're right: it's your conclusions that are exaggerated - Sprezza Tura 18:10:37 10/17/14 (1)
- This is what he wants to do with 2TB of SD Cards - fmak 09:08:34 10/20/14 (0)
- stream DSD-512 and PCM-768 from local SD Card storage - fmak 22:25:15 10/15/14 (0)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 13:02:36 10/15/14 (49)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Bob_C 19:12:38 10/15/14 (22)
- OK, I'll bite - Dave_K 16:30:32 10/17/14 (0)
- The gold plated connectors? -nt - E-Stat 06:03:13 10/17/14 (0)
- No video, different processor, no HID, no PCI bus, no fan - Sordidman 13:00:26 10/16/14 (13)
- RE: No video, different processor, no HID, no PCI bus, no fan - Bob_C 13:04:41 10/16/14 (11)
- OK, easy to concede that one & still have big diffs -t - Sordidman 13:15:46 10/16/14 (10)
- RE: OK, easy to concede that one & still have big diffs -t - Bob_C 13:23:34 10/16/14 (9)
- look above Bob -t - Sordidman 15:07:56 10/16/14 (0)
- RE: OK, easy to concede that one & still have big diffs -t - Sprezza Tura 13:52:59 10/16/14 (7)
- RE: OK, easy to concede that one & still have big diffs -t - Bob_C 15:20:13 10/16/14 (6)
- RE: OK, easy to concede that one & still have big diffs -t - Sprezza Tura 15:26:55 10/16/14 (5)
- RE: OK, easy to concede that one & still have big diffs -t - Bob_C 17:02:24 10/16/14 (4)
- RE: OK, easy to concede that one & still have big diffs -t - Sprezza Tura 17:25:25 10/16/14 (3)
- RE: OK, easy to concede that one & still have big diffs -t - Bob_C 17:55:08 10/16/14 (2)
- RE: OK, easy to concede that one & still have big diffs -t - Sprezza Tura 17:57:21 10/16/14 (1)
- RE: OK, easy to concede that one & still have big diffs -t - Bob_C 18:00:17 10/16/14 (0)
- RE: No video, different processor, no HID, no PCI bus, no fan - Sprezza Tura 13:04:20 10/16/14 (0)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 19:53:20 10/15/14 (3)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Bob_C 21:11:56 10/15/14 (2)
- He owns 3, and has direct experience with 5 - Sordidman 13:04:43 10/16/14 (1)
- RE: He owns 3, and has direct experience with 5 - Bob_C 16:50:39 10/16/14 (0)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - AbeCollins 19:39:49 10/15/14 (1)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Bob_C 12:48:37 10/16/14 (0)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Thorsten 13:55:16 10/15/14 (25)
- "I mostly evaluate platforms and not specific products." - Sordidman 13:09:31 10/16/14 (1)
- RE: "I mostly evaluate platforms and not specific products." - Sprezza Tura 13:11:20 10/16/14 (0)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 16:27:51 10/15/14 (21)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Tony Lauck 16:48:35 10/15/14 (20)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 17:15:10 10/15/14 (19)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Tony Lauck 12:29:06 10/16/14 (18)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 12:38:43 10/16/14 (17)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Tony Lauck 13:53:32 10/16/14 (16)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 13:57:59 10/16/14 (15)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Bob_C 17:10:06 10/16/14 (0)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Tony Lauck 14:13:49 10/16/14 (13)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 14:29:59 10/16/14 (12)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Tony Lauck 17:28:08 10/16/14 (11)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 18:24:31 10/16/14 (2)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Tony Lauck 18:46:50 10/16/14 (1)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 18:59:59 10/16/14 (0)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Bob_C 18:20:28 10/16/14 (2)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 18:28:03 10/16/14 (1)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Bob_C 18:32:57 10/16/14 (0)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 17:31:09 10/16/14 (4)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Tony Lauck 18:29:16 10/16/14 (3)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 18:33:10 10/16/14 (2)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Bob_C 19:37:56 10/16/14 (1)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 20:16:09 10/16/14 (0)
- RE: Cannot set up a Computer for audio - get a network streamer - Sprezza Tura 16:09:51 10/15/14 (0)