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In Reply to: Is it or isn't it a computer??? posted by Bob_C on October 13, 2014 at 11:33:04:
Hi,
Simple. My own "AV Computer" includes 9TB on board Hard drives, a moderatly powerful CPU, 8GB of RAM memory and runs a modified general purpose operating system and is powered by many switched mode power suplies, even should I fit a fully linear ATX Power supply. It also has an on board touchscreen and looks like a HiFi Component. It is readily controlled with a "set top box" style IRremote handset, but I can use more complex and expensive devices (Pads, Phablets, Phones or Coputers).
It is a computer. No two ways about it. And I call it a computer.
Any given streamer (solution I know) includes or has options for internal or external harddrives, includes RAM memory and runs a general purpose operating system and is powered by many switched mode power suplies, even should I fit a fully linear external DC Power supply. Some have an on board touchscreen and look like a smart HiFi Components. Others are ugly and best hidden away, plus you need an iPhone or iPad tooperate them.
It is a computer. No two ways about it. And I call it a computer.
THe key difference is that one device uses off the shelf mainstream hardware, while "streamers often charge a lot more for using substandard and obsolete hardware in an effort to minimise manufacturing cost.
Bottom line. Streamers are "camouflaged" and "way below average performance" computers.
On a 5G WiFi Network my Sony Phablet (Xperia Z Ultra) using suitable software and a decent supported USB DAC plays DSD256 and PCM352.8 Wireless. And runs rings around any streamer for usability, thanks to 6.5"touchscreen.
And I can use it for other jobs (making calls, playing games, reading books, e-mail etc.) when I don't use it to stream music.
Of course it also is a computer, even if it is marketed as cellphone.
I recently tested a "high end" portable audio player. It also was basically an Android Phone in a fancy shell, with a so-so dac.
Ciao T
PS, nowadays pretty much any DVD/Blueray player is a computer running a customised general purpose operating system etc. and most so-called CD-Players are based on such devices, so they are computers too.
Thor
At 20 bits, you are on the verge of dynamic range covering fly-farts-at-20-feet to intolerable pain. Really, what more could we need?
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- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer??? - Thorsten 13:30:54 10/13/14 (37)
- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer??? - Sprezza Tura 19:28:32 10/13/14 (31)
- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer??? - Thorsten 22:13:01 10/13/14 (17)
- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer??? - Sprezza Tura 22:29:35 10/13/14 (13)
- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer??? - Bob_C 12:09:21 10/14/14 (10)
- Part of the problem is that they (reviewers) are in desperate need of a real reference. - carcass93 13:00:48 10/14/14 (9)
- RE: Part of the problem is that they (reviewers) are in desperate need of a real reference. - Bob_C 13:18:25 10/14/14 (8)
- RE: Part of the problem is that they (reviewers) are in desperate need of a real reference. - Mercman 13:32:52 10/14/14 (7)
- I kind of get the point - but look at it from the stereo system's perspective. - carcass93 13:45:16 10/14/14 (6)
- RE: I kind of get the point - but look at it from the stereo system's perspective. - Mercman 14:16:14 10/14/14 (0)
- FWIW: excellent point - Sordidman 13:57:11 10/14/14 (4)
- Well, some of us do......... - Kal Rubinson 18:24:34 10/15/14 (2)
- VRDS-NEO?? - Sordidman 10:37:20 10/16/14 (1)
- When Esoteric supports multichannel, I'll be interested. (NT) - Kal Rubinson 16:19:10 10/16/14 (0)
- RE: FWIW: excellent point - Bob_C 19:11:21 10/14/14 (0)
- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer??? - Thorsten 22:55:55 10/13/14 (1)
- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer??? - Sprezza Tura 23:12:47 10/13/14 (0)
- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer??? - Sprezza Tura 22:22:29 10/13/14 (2)
- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer??? - Thorsten 22:53:24 10/13/14 (1)
- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer??? - Sprezza Tura 23:01:02 10/13/14 (0)
- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer???But - fmak 21:38:48 10/13/14 (0)
- Call me psychic, but... I had a vision that someone would react like you did. - carcass93 19:59:51 10/13/14 (11)
- RE: Call me psychic, but... I had a vision that someone would react like you did. - Jaundiced Ear 03:29:49 10/14/14 (1)
- We'll see if moderator is amused. I'm not. - carcass93 06:08:24 10/14/14 (0)
- RE: Call me psychic, but... I had a vision that someone would react like you did. - Sprezza Tura 20:13:56 10/13/14 (8)
- RE: Call me psychic, but... I had a vision that someone would react like you did. - Sordidman 10:45:17 10/14/14 (5)
- RE: Call me psychic, but... I had a vision that someone would react like you did. - Sprezza Tura 14:32:56 10/14/14 (4)
- RE: Call me psychic, but... I had a vision that someone would react like you did. - Mercman 14:41:32 10/14/14 (3)
- RE: Call me psychic, but... I had a vision that someone would react like you did. - Sprezza Tura 14:56:24 10/14/14 (0)
- Yep: most everyone has to make compromises - Sordidman 14:51:28 10/14/14 (1)
- RE: Yep: most everyone has to make compromises - Mercman 15:02:28 10/14/14 (0)
- RE: Call me psychic, but... I had a vision that someone would react like you did. - Thorsten 22:37:16 10/13/14 (1)
- FWIW: you're a manufacturer - Sordidman 13:23:05 10/14/14 (0)
- It's a computer and I say that's great. - Kal Rubinson 17:39:11 10/13/14 (3)
- RE: It's a computer and I say that's great. - Sprezza Tura 20:33:30 10/13/14 (1)
- RE: It's a computer and I say that's great. - Kal Rubinson 09:01:55 10/14/14 (0)
- RE: It's a computer and I say that's great. - Bob_C 20:26:07 10/13/14 (0)
- RE: Is it or isn't it a computer??? - Bob_C 13:40:09 10/13/14 (0)
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