In Reply to: RE: Thinking about running my non-OTL Circlotron again posted by Ralph on August 23, 2011 at 13:08:02:
"IOW, by 'real class A' you mean class A1."No, that's not what I mean at all.
In a Class A circuit using linear tubes both halves of the waveform look the same.
"BTW the actual waveforms we get off of an individual triode's cathode differs from the simulation in that it lacks the flat spot at the bottom of the curve unless the amp is driven into clipping."
If each triode is biased at 70ma idle, it can't continue to go down below 70ma. down from idle. (0ma.)
The graph shows exactly that.
For an M-60 to make more than about 5 watts the bottom half of the waveform of each triode will have the "flat spot at the bottom of the curve".
If the tube is idling at 70ma. and it is then driven (by an input sine wave) up to, lets' say 170ma. the top half of the wave form will have a shape and size that represented a 100ma. change to the positive.
The tube in the other bank, at the same time, is being driven by an input signal that is anti phase and that signal will try to drive the tube to a negative 30ma. But there is no such thing. The current in that tube will go down as far as it can and then stay there until the input signal drives it back up.
The "then stay there until" part is the "flat spot at the bottom of the curve".
That half of the wave form cannot have a shape and size that represented a 100ma. change to the negative. A tube cannot flow 30ma. of negative current.
Understand I'm not talking about the output waveform to the speakers.Edited to say the whole thing again in one sentence.
In any type of tube amplifier, push pull, single ended, Circlotron or whatever...If the positive half of the input signal pushes the tube to more than twice it's idle current the negative half of the input signal will cause a "flat spot at the bottom of the curve".
There is no way around this simple truth.
Tre'
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Edits: 08/23/11 08/23/11
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- RE: Thinking about running my non-OTL Circlotron again - Tre' 19:26:49 08/23/11 (43)
- RE: Thinking about running my non-OTL Circlotron again - Ralph 08:59:54 08/24/11 (42)
- RE: Thinking about running my non-OTL Circlotron again - Tre' 10:26:09 08/24/11 (41)
- RE: Thinking about running my non-OTL Circlotron again - Ralph 13:47:47 08/24/11 (5)
- RE: Thinking about running my non-OTL Circlotron again - Tre' 14:39:43 08/24/11 (4)
- RE: Thinking about running my non-OTL Circlotron again - Lew 14:52:00 08/24/11 (3)
- RE: Thinking about running my non-OTL Circlotron again - Tre' 15:05:03 08/24/11 (0)
- Whoops! - Lew 14:57:15 08/24/11 (1)
- RE: Whoops! - Tre' 15:13:40 08/24/11 (0)
- Micheal Rothacher understands Class A - Tre' 11:45:35 08/24/11 (34)
- RE: Micheal Rothacher understands Class A - Ralph 14:10:13 08/24/11 (33)
- RE: Micheal Rothacher understands Class A - Tre' 14:50:57 08/24/11 (32)
- RE: Sheesh - Ralph 08:10:56 08/25/11 (31)
- RE: Sheesh - Tre' 19:44:03 08/25/11 (29)
- How about an actual experiment? - cnpope 09:17:45 08/26/11 (28)
- RE: How about an actual experiment? - Tre' 11:04:18 08/26/11 (27)
- RE: How about an actual experiment? - cnpope 12:04:23 08/26/11 (26)
- RE: How about an actual experiment? - Ralph 11:53:30 08/30/11 (0)
- RE: How about an actual experiment? - Tre' 12:28:17 08/26/11 (24)
- RE: How about an actual experiment? - Jack Williams 15:40:04 08/26/11 (23)
- RE: How about an actual experiment? - Tre' 17:46:24 08/26/11 (22)
- "Ask Kurt Strain about this issue." - kurt s 23:43:12 08/29/11 (7)
- Thanks, Kurt... - Lew 13:29:50 08/30/11 (6)
- Paul Speltz did the wrong thing - kurt s 18:10:04 08/30/11 (5)
- RE: Paul Speltz did the wrong thing - Lew 07:08:04 08/31/11 (4)
- Here is Paul Speltz' post on circlotron output Z... - Lew 07:40:22 08/31/11 (3)
- I see that really Paul almost did the wrong thing. - kurt s 20:02:04 08/31/11 (2)
- Output Z of cathode follower... - Lew 20:51:46 09/01/11 (1)
- RE: Output Z of cathode follower... - kurt s 00:42:47 09/02/11 (0)
- In truth, Tre',... - Lew 23:42:21 08/27/11 (1)
- RE: In truth, Tre',... - Tre' 08:01:36 08/28/11 (0)
- King Ralph - GFL 06:39:53 08/27/11 (11)
- Is this you again Tre', using a different moniker? - Duke 19:46:19 08/28/11 (10)
- No, it is not me. - Tre' 21:33:06 08/28/11 (9)
- Uncanny resemblance in writing styles - Duke 22:05:37 08/28/11 (8)
- Hi Duke - Lew 13:17:54 08/30/11 (0)
- RE: this FAQ has been on the website for over a year. - Ralph 12:32:56 08/30/11 (2)
- RE: this FAQ has been on the website for over a year. - Duke 15:06:07 08/30/11 (1)
- RE: this FAQ has been on the website for over a year. - Ralph 15:31:42 08/30/11 (0)
- RE: Uncanny resemblance in writing styles - Tre' 22:12:02 08/28/11 (3)
- GoodFu++ingLuck - GFL 05:26:17 08/29/11 (2)
- RE: GoodFu++ingLuck = GFL? - Lew 17:34:32 08/29/11 (1)
- Bullying - GFL 06:39:56 09/05/11 (0)
- RE: Sheesh - Tre' 11:21:10 08/25/11 (0)