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The double-edged sword of psychological self-delusion.

PR:
"I was referring to Beltism."

>>Exactly! Psychlogical self-delusion.<<

Like I said before, which you failed to refute: You are an audio reviewer with a scientific background, but no sense of scientific inquiry (re: NEW science & technologies, and not just your novel applications of old ideas!). As such, you have yet to prove anything you say against the science of Beltism, or that the "psychological self-delusion" isn't yours. My evidence says it is.

PR:
"And my God, I would hardly equate digital signal processing and subwoofers with what I am implying by the term "good sound"! You ought to be ashamed to do that! "

>>Not if you heard the results, Posy. <<

I reiterate this too: "I think you and I have -very- different definitions of what "improvement" means." To begin with.

Mucking up the purity of the signal with digital signal processing is a fool's game. It's bloody amateur hour, mate. I don't care how impressive the explosions are in Die Hard movies when you switch to theatre mode, I wouldn't let -any- digital signal processing units of any kind come within 50 yards of my front door. Sorry, but from what you're telling me, I'm not convinced you can recognize the essential elements of reproduced music. It's not frequency range, its not hall sound, and its not just tight bass. Another good indication that you don't understand the fundamentals of audio (even as you're grappling with the incorporation of planar subs....), can be found in your CD transport. As I have always observed, one's ideologies have everything to do with how good or bad their system sounds.

>>Besides the point is that they are not normal subwoofers but Electrostatic Subwooofers and therefore their characteristics are precisely matched to the rest of the system. Blending this unusually concept with DSP is something that I bet not more than a handful have even thought about let alone tried.<<

I'm sure you're right. I'm equally sure there are good reasons for that, however.

>>Therefore, it is the combination of some new (DSP on this level is quite new) and not new (but rarely used in that capacity) technologies in a novel way leading to superb sound.<<

Of course, none of this is what I was talking about when I said that unlike me, you do no scientific inquiry into new science & technologies (ie. alternative technologies). Those are just new applications you found for old and long established technologies. If you shoved a corkscrew up your butt, that would basically be the same thing. New applications for an old technology.

PR:
>>>"I think you and I have -very- different definitions of what "improvement" means."<<<

>>Maybe but to me improvement is that it sounds better than the last setup I had. <<

I think you and I have -very- different definitions of what "better" means." Relatively speaking, I spend a lot of time on my tests ensuring that the change really is "better".

>>My ears tell me its an improvement and my listening to live music tells me its an improvement. Now what is an improvement to you?? <<

Well, it's not twiddling DSP knobs and then going "Ah! Now it sounds virtually real!". And you realize I wouldn't rely on your ears to tell me if there was a construction worker next door jackhammering away at my wall. That "CD-R fiasco", where you thought you could just casually listen to a CD-R from 2 years ago and know that your system hadn't changed in 2 years, even though you never made a comparison CD from today, also told me a lot about how you listen. And listening to live music, whilst entertaining, is really not much of a reference for audio systems. It's about as relevant as the ocean is, to a water-skiing video game.

I usually tell an improvement by the reactions that I have to the music; both physical and mental. Similar reactions can be had with live music, but that all depends. If the connection to the music is stronger, then it's generally considered an improvement. (I also take into account more superficial aspects of course, such as what you may be more familiar with).

>>You like the color of your Belt ribbons more than the old ones?? LOL!<<

Still haven't grown up from the elementary school play yard I see. Nice.

PR:
"It would be like saying "I'm going to do a casual, sighted listening test now." And then sticking candles in your ears.
"

>>So dramatic, and so wrong.<<

....and this is what you call a "supported argument"? Again, the automatic gainsay of my own arguments? How long have you been a professional scientist for, now? Color me shocked and amazed. For those who haven't caught up yet, I will now endeavour to post a play-by-play of how you lost this argument:

1. You wrote about a test with a 2 year old CD-R you fished out of your posessions, played it, and decided this was enough to be able to conclude that your system hadn't changed in 2 years, and that system performance degradation is a myth. At no point did you attempt to actually record your present day system on the very same media/batch in order to set up a fair test.

2. You then tried to defend this joke of a test by saying you never said it was meant to be "scientific".

3. I then pointed out I knew that, I wasn't expecting "scientific" only "realistic", and that your test couldn't possibly be valid, even for a sighted, casual listening test.

4. You still refused to understand the distinction. In several different threads.

5. I then dumbed it down for you, with the above line about sticking candles in your ears.

6. You then replied with your usual mindless contradiction, seemingly unable to craft even a fake attempt at supporting your own words.

7. Your own words are organizing a plot to murder you as we speak.


And that I believe puts us up to date.

PR:
>>"You told me as a result of that test that no degradation occurs in your sound system"<<

>>Yes and it sounds as good as I remember, better even, so then no need to tweak. <<

Great. Now repeat steps 1 to 7.

"silence tells me secretly, everything..."

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