RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears"

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Topic - The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - Posy Rorer 20:07:43 08/13/07 (170)

RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" - krabapple 12:10:14 08/27/07 (1)

RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" - Posy Rorer 09:15:28 08/29/07 (0)

Why did you title the post the way you did?? - Robert Hamel 06:58:52 08/21/07 (5)

Good Question. - Posy Rorer 15:17:15 08/21/07 (4)

Everyone is where they're at, and that's just the way it is, unfortunately ... - fas 22:10:39 08/22/07 (3)

RE: Everyone is where they're at, and that's just the way it is, unfortunately ... - Posy Rorer 11:03:41 08/23/07 (2)

The mind's a tricky thing. - fas 06:19:51 08/24/07 (1)

RE: The mind's a tricky thing. - Posy Rorer 07:57:07 08/25/07 (0)

RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" - fas 22:09:24 08/15/07 (8)

And why NOT level match? - Semper Fidelity 18:20:46 08/19/07 (1)

RE: And why NOT level match? - Posy Rorer 12:54:47 08/20/07 (0)

Re: EVERYTHING MATTERS - Posy Rorer 22:12:57 08/16/07 (4)

RE: Re: EVERYTHING MATTERS - fas 04:08:12 08/18/07 (2)

RE: Waiting for the day... - mls-stl 06:28:40 08/18/07 (1)

Ah, organic sound... - rick_m 12:58:59 08/18/07 (0)

"Test instruments do not have a 'brain'." No heart, either. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:24:20 08/17/07 (0)

"with audio, EVERYTHING matters." Tell that to the AES, fella! - clarkjohnsen 10:27:22 08/16/07 (0)

Listening test d/l: Tweaking-at-a-distance - Posy Rorer 17:22:52 08/15/07 (1)

Thanks, Posy, I just snagged 'em... - rlw 13:11:07 08/20/07 (0)

I read your silly post. I'm pissed. You win. - Lambda 13:21:43 08/15/07 (2)

I'm sorry. My post wasn't silly and wasn't intended to piss you off. - Posy Rorer 17:25:41 08/15/07 (1)

You gave your dirty little secret away.... - Lambda 05:07:14 08/16/07 (0)

Boy, Posey, did you get my bungies in s bunch... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 11:58:49 08/15/07 (7)

Sorry. I guess it was good I only uploaded the expurgated version, huh? - Posy Rorer 15:54:12 08/15/07 (6)

"Knowing how lazy most so-called or self-professed 'audiophiles' are..." But not too lazy to... - clarkjohnsen 10:31:38 08/16/07 (1)

RE: "Knowing how lazy most so-called or self-professed 'audiophiles' are..." But not too lazy to... - morricab 00:35:06 08/21/07 (0)

RE: Sorry. I guess it was good I only uploaded the expurgated version, huh? - Pat D 17:12:21 08/15/07 (3)

More hit n' runs, Pat? Where's Lord JJ when you need him? - Posy Rorer 17:38:24 08/15/07 (2)

RE: More hit n' runs, Pat? Where's Lord JJ when you need him? - morricab 04:12:29 08/20/07 (1)

RE: More hit n' runs, Pat? Where's Lord JJ when you need him? - Posy Rorer 08:45:56 08/20/07 (0)

Enough is enough, guys! - cheap-Jack 07:40:09 08/15/07 (0)

RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - morricab 02:48:06 08/15/07 (24)

RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - Posy Rorer 12:36:47 08/15/07 (23)

RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - morricab 07:29:17 08/20/07 (8)

RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - Posy Rorer 19:28:36 08/20/07 (7)

RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - morricab 01:12:26 08/21/07 (6)

Maury Cab & His Amazing 20-Year Placebo - Posy Rorer 20:45:22 08/22/07 (5)

RE: Maury Cab & His Amazing 20-Year Placebo - morricab 01:53:29 08/23/07 (4)

Morricab: King Of The Fake Strawman Alerts. - Posy Rorer 14:51:01 08/23/07 (3)

Sorry to intrude on this piece of fireworks, but ... - fas 16:48:19 08/24/07 (1)

RE: Sorry to intrude on this piece of fireworks, but ... - Posy Rorer 07:58:00 08/25/07 (0)

RE: Morricab: King Of The Fake Strawman Alerts. - morricab 02:08:28 08/24/07 (0)

Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - clarkjohnsen 10:43:55 08/16/07 (11)

RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - morricab 02:56:00 08/17/07 (10)

RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - Posy Rorer 08:53:13 08/17/07 (9)

RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - morricab 02:59:04 08/20/07 (6)

RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - Posy Rorer 16:06:51 08/20/07 (5)

RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - morricab 01:25:45 08/21/07 (4)

RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - Posy Rorer 21:34:40 08/22/07 (3)

RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - morricab 01:44:43 08/23/07 (2)

The double-edged sword of psychological self-delusion. - Posy Rorer 10:15:51 08/23/07 (1)

RE: The double-edged sword of psychological self-delusion. - morricab 02:14:18 08/24/07 (0)

"You're why I don't miss Jim Austin." Oh, BURN! - clarkjohnsen 08:58:16 08/17/07 (1)

RE: "You're why I don't miss Jim Austin." Oh, BURN! - morricab 04:09:28 08/20/07 (0)

RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - morricab 02:24:55 08/16/07 (1)

RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - Posy Rorer 12:34:20 08/16/07 (0)

"The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. " A myth , huh? - soulfood 19:55:28 08/14/07 (10)

RE: ""The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. " A myth , huh?" Yup. A myth. - Posy Rorer 23:11:20 08/14/07 (9)

False supposition or kicking silly up a notch. - soulfood 04:38:55 08/15/07 (8)

So it looks like we both agree that SPL metering is silly and unnecessary. Finally, someone who gets it! - Posy Rorer 08:11:32 08/15/07 (7)

"We're the only two here who can?!" Noop. Maybe you missed my comment below: - clarkjohnsen 09:59:15 08/15/07 (1)

Yup, I missed 'em. - Posy Rorer 19:31:22 08/15/07 (0)

A SPL meter is a test instrument, casual listening is entertainment. - soulfood 09:11:40 08/15/07 (4)

Also, don't forget that a fork is a utensil, and a PS2 is a video game. - Posy Rorer 22:06:47 08/15/07 (3)

"All audio tests are subjective, including DBTs." This stands between us. - soulfood 08:24:25 08/16/07 (2)

Not a fan of facts, eh? - Posy Rorer 10:16:45 08/16/07 (1)

Of course, your math teacher has my empathy. (nt) - soulfood 10:54:04 08/16/07 (0)

BS! What is "known" has by definition been proven.... - Ugly 13:53:32 08/14/07 (2)

Ask yourself why you feel so threatened by my experiences. - Posy Rorer 18:40:23 08/14/07 (1)

Always the low road with you, eh Posy? - Ugly 20:46:51 08/14/07 (0)

I disagree... - mkuller 11:57:52 08/14/07 (5)

I agree (with your experiences). - Posy Rorer 17:52:37 08/14/07 (3)

What I failed to mention... - mkuller 10:29:19 08/17/07 (0)

Reminds me of... - mkuller 11:32:09 08/15/07 (1)

RE: Reminds me of... - Posy Rorer 18:01:48 08/15/07 (0)

RE: I disagree... - thetubeguy1954 14:32:21 08/14/07 (0)

Propeller Head Plaza: Non-technical and unscientific discussion of amps, cables and other psychiatric woes nt - AJinFLA 11:03:02 08/14/07 (7)

RE: You are back with bang eh... - theaudiohobby 13:32:26 08/14/07 (5)

RE: You are back with bang eh... - AJinFLA 12:07:19 08/15/07 (0)

RE: You are back with bang eh... - andy_c 15:59:18 08/14/07 (3)

Hey, if you want to get off, let the conductor know - kerr 16:30:45 08/14/07 (2)

RE: Hey, if you want to get off, let the conductor know - andy_c 18:31:19 08/14/07 (1)

RE: Hey, if you want to get off, let the conductor know - kerr 04:51:50 08/15/07 (0)

Kind of weak - not even a question whether original poster owns a stereo? N/T - carcass93 13:05:54 08/14/07 (0)

Cannot Totally Agree with This One....... - Todd Krieger 11:01:59 08/14/07 (2)

RE: Cannot Totally Agree with This One....... - Posy Rorer 17:15:38 08/14/07 (0)

The best reason to level-match - kerr 11:24:27 08/14/07 (0)

Anything other than knee-jerk reactions? - Posy Rorer 10:28:05 08/14/07 (29)

Posy, lighten up, dude... - rlw 12:23:49 08/14/07 (26)

Let's get real - the problem is that - geoffkait 06:12:50 08/15/07 (25)

3 strikes and you're out! - rlw 09:38:56 08/15/07 (24)

I love it when you feign indignation and outrage. LOL nt - geoffkait 10:35:05 08/15/07 (0)

"The stuff you peddle doesn't do shit." Another lie. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:47:04 08/15/07 (22)

Tell us all about YOUR system, Clarke... - rlw 10:05:03 08/15/07 (21)

Well? Well? We're waiting. I answered your big question, and... and...? nt - clarkjohnsen 10:47:21 08/16/07 (0)

While ordinarily one needn't respond to hostile posters... - clarkjohnsen 12:14:35 08/15/07 (19)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 03:08:13 08/16/07 (18)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 07:15:42 08/20/07 (15)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 10:51:50 08/20/07 (6)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 01:48:10 08/22/07 (5)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 05:07:57 08/22/07 (4)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 08:42:43 08/22/07 (3)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 09:08:58 08/22/07 (2)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 01:54:49 08/23/07 (1)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 03:07:53 08/23/07 (0)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - Posy Rorer 07:34:30 08/20/07 (7)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 09:01:29 08/20/07 (6)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - Posy Rorer 00:39:07 08/21/07 (5)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 01:54:18 08/22/07 (4)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - Posy Rorer 16:16:25 08/22/07 (3)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 01:58:44 08/23/07 (2)

The morricab Crabwalk - Posy Rorer 09:09:19 08/23/07 (1)

RE: The morricab Crabwalk - morricab 02:17:20 08/24/07 (0)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - kerr 07:11:10 08/16/07 (1)

"Audio is about reading and seeing." And there you have it! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:46:12 08/16/07 (0)

Yes, I am "an audiophile like you" but one with logics & sense. - cheap-Jack 12:05:31 08/14/07 (0)

Are you not "defensive" on the great "lecture" you gave us ? - cheap-Jack 11:07:15 08/14/07 (0)

Hey, if you are happy, that's the bottom line, so why the attack on "level matchers?" - Enophile 09:48:17 08/14/07 (3)

Because I am challenging the idea of the importance of matching levels, that's why. - Posy Rorer 16:38:33 08/14/07 (2)

Posy, you are great. Please do not take disagreement as disparagement.... - Enophile 19:13:56 08/14/07 (1)

That's okay Eno, I didn't. - Posy Rorer 21:37:39 08/14/07 (0)

Agreed, in general. One learns to listen through. In fact... - clarkjohnsen 09:48:02 08/14/07 (0)

ZZZzzzzzzzz.. curtain lectures again..... (long..) - cheap-Jack 09:27:24 08/14/07 (0)

No valid methodology, no data, no proof. - Pat D 07:29:13 08/14/07 (20)

What part of "audio isn't about "proving" things, it's about learning things" did you not understand, Pat? - Posy Rorer 18:04:45 08/14/07 (5)

RE: What part of "audio isn't about "proving" things, it's about learning things" did you not understand, Pat? - morricab 07:18:05 08/20/07 (1)

How to fool yourself into thinking you're not fooling yourself. - Posy Rorer 01:38:16 08/21/07 (0)

Still no valid methodology, no data, no proof. - Pat D 13:09:55 08/15/07 (1)

RE: Still no valid methodology, no data, no proof. - Posy Rorer 21:40:34 08/16/07 (0)

"audio isn't about 'proving' things, it's about learning things." And there you have it! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:36:28 08/15/07 (0)

No proof to whom? - mkuller 11:50:45 08/14/07 (1)

RE: No proof to whom? - Pat D 12:53:52 08/15/07 (0)

No doubt about it! - rlw 08:14:06 08/14/07 (4)

"Notice, no personal attacks." (20:07:43) "Considering the source..." (07:29:13) That lasted for12 hours. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:31:15 08/14/07 (2)

Correcting someone's boo-boos is "personal attacks" ???? - cheap-Jack 11:14:24 08/14/07 (0)

Merely a mild jest... - rlw 09:55:13 08/14/07 (0)

RE: No doubt about it! - Pat D 09:01:36 08/14/07 (0)

Oh, you probably mean no methodology approved by JJ, no? LOL - geoffkait 07:57:20 08/14/07 (6)

Geoff, anything of substance to add to the discussion? - rlw 14:21:36 08/14/07 (1)

Bucking for promotion from troll to stalker? nt - geoffkait 14:35:14 08/14/07 (0)

jj who? - Pat D 09:00:16 08/14/07 (3)

RE: jj who? - geoffkait 11:29:10 08/14/07 (2)

Geoff, anything of substance to add to the discussion? - rlw 14:22:43 08/14/07 (1)

I was hoping you were only a - geoffkait 14:36:52 08/14/07 (0)

I'm guessing the perception of the sound quality is being affected... - rlw 06:41:53 08/14/07 (25)

RE: I'm guessing the perception of the sound quality is being affected... - Posy Rorer 11:32:55 08/14/07 (12)

Off topic - I would be careful about copying CD, giving it to a friend, and especially TELLING about it. N/T - carcass93 12:57:34 08/14/07 (5)

He said he would copy "part of a tune"... - rlw 13:24:32 08/14/07 (4)

It's purely technical, and I don't care anyway, but see quote inside: - carcass93 13:41:32 08/14/07 (3)

Don't get too excited. You misunderstood what I meant by "original". - Posy Rorer 16:49:06 08/14/07 (2)

Don't worry, sources of my excitement are pretty far removed from these pages. - carcass93 17:35:59 08/14/07 (1)

RE: Don't worry, sources of my excitement are pretty far removed from these pages. - Posy Rorer 18:44:08 08/14/07 (0)

Count me in! - rlw 12:37:47 08/14/07 (1)

RE: Count me in! - Posy Rorer 17:28:23 08/15/07 (0)

Not true... - rlw 12:10:09 08/14/07 (3)

RE: Not true... - Posy Rorer 17:00:38 08/14/07 (2)

I don't know why... - rlw 09:56:18 08/15/07 (1)

RE: I don't know why... - Posy Rorer 19:07:45 08/15/07 (0)

Didn't you get the memo? We've already established that hearing and perception are the same thing! - geoffkait 07:35:44 08/14/07 (11)

What do you mean we, paleface? - rlw 08:11:47 08/14/07 (10)

A statement so true, it goes without saying. -nt - Posy Rorer 18:42:08 08/14/07 (0)

Still hung up on semantics, eh? Surprise, surprise. nt - geoffkait 10:50:44 08/14/07 (7)

Geoff, anything of substance to add to the discussiion? - rlw 13:31:16 08/14/07 (6)

Audio Associates grad speaks out! LOL - geoffkait 14:01:08 08/14/07 (1)

Geoff, anything of substance to add to the discussion? - rlw 14:19:08 08/14/07 (0)

Stroll on! - clifff 13:48:58 08/14/07 (3)

Better brush up on your sarcasm; contact rlw for pointers. LOL - geoffkait 14:03:37 08/14/07 (2)

Geoff, anything of substance to add to the discussion? - rlw 14:20:36 08/14/07 (0)

I'm British. I can do sarcasm. that wasn't it. nt - clifff 14:09:57 08/14/07 (0)

Exactly! Aptly put. - Enophile 09:50:29 08/14/07 (0)

Follow Ups

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 05:07:57 08/22/07 (4)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 08:42:43 08/22/07 (3)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 09:08:58 08/22/07 (2)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 01:54:49 08/23/07 (1)

RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 03:07:53 08/23/07 (0)

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