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In Reply to: RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" posted by Posy Rorer on August 21, 2007 at 00:39:07:
"So then there IS no difference between live music and canned music, according to your definition.
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No that is not according to my definition. Warning!! Strawman setup attempt!
"And there we have it! Either both are real, or both are an illusion, but according to what you've been saying, there's no difference between either.
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Strawman alert!! I never said there was no difference between them and then you use this thing that YOU made up to refute my earlier arguments. Right out of the old strawman textbook Posy!!
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - Posy Rorer 20:07:43 08/13/07 (170)
- RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" - krabapple 12:10:14 08/27/07 (1)
- RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" - Posy Rorer 09:15:28 08/29/07 (0)
- Why did you title the post the way you did?? - Robert Hamel 06:58:52 08/21/07 (5)
- Good Question. - Posy Rorer 15:17:15 08/21/07 (4)
- Everyone is where they're at, and that's just the way it is, unfortunately ... - fas 22:10:39 08/22/07 (3)
- RE: Everyone is where they're at, and that's just the way it is, unfortunately ... - Posy Rorer 11:03:41 08/23/07 (2)
- The mind's a tricky thing. - fas 06:19:51 08/24/07 (1)
- RE: The mind's a tricky thing. - Posy Rorer 07:57:07 08/25/07 (0)
- RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" - fas 22:09:24 08/15/07 (8)
- And why NOT level match? - Semper Fidelity 18:20:46 08/19/07 (1)
- RE: And why NOT level match? - Posy Rorer 12:54:47 08/20/07 (0)
- Re: EVERYTHING MATTERS - Posy Rorer 22:12:57 08/16/07 (4)
- RE: Re: EVERYTHING MATTERS - fas 04:08:12 08/18/07 (2)
- RE: Waiting for the day... - mls-stl 06:28:40 08/18/07 (1)
- Ah, organic sound... - rick_m 12:58:59 08/18/07 (0)
- "Test instruments do not have a 'brain'." No heart, either. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:24:20 08/17/07 (0)
- "with audio, EVERYTHING matters." Tell that to the AES, fella! - clarkjohnsen 10:27:22 08/16/07 (0)
- Listening test d/l: Tweaking-at-a-distance - Posy Rorer 17:22:52 08/15/07 (1)
- Thanks, Posy, I just snagged 'em... - rlw 13:11:07 08/20/07 (0)
- I read your silly post. I'm pissed. You win. - Lambda 13:21:43 08/15/07 (2)
- I'm sorry. My post wasn't silly and wasn't intended to piss you off. - Posy Rorer 17:25:41 08/15/07 (1)
- You gave your dirty little secret away.... - Lambda 05:07:14 08/16/07 (0)
- Boy, Posey, did you get my bungies in s bunch... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 11:58:49 08/15/07 (7)
- Sorry. I guess it was good I only uploaded the expurgated version, huh? - Posy Rorer 15:54:12 08/15/07 (6)
- "Knowing how lazy most so-called or self-professed 'audiophiles' are..." But not too lazy to... - clarkjohnsen 10:31:38 08/16/07 (1)
- RE: "Knowing how lazy most so-called or self-professed 'audiophiles' are..." But not too lazy to... - morricab 00:35:06 08/21/07 (0)
- RE: Sorry. I guess it was good I only uploaded the expurgated version, huh? - Pat D 17:12:21 08/15/07 (3)
- More hit n' runs, Pat? Where's Lord JJ when you need him? - Posy Rorer 17:38:24 08/15/07 (2)
- RE: More hit n' runs, Pat? Where's Lord JJ when you need him? - morricab 04:12:29 08/20/07 (1)
- RE: More hit n' runs, Pat? Where's Lord JJ when you need him? - Posy Rorer 08:45:56 08/20/07 (0)
- Enough is enough, guys! - cheap-Jack 07:40:09 08/15/07 (0)
- RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - morricab 02:48:06 08/15/07 (24)
- RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - Posy Rorer 12:36:47 08/15/07 (23)
- RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - morricab 07:29:17 08/20/07 (8)
- RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - Posy Rorer 19:28:36 08/20/07 (7)
- RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - morricab 01:12:26 08/21/07 (6)
- Maury Cab & His Amazing 20-Year Placebo - Posy Rorer 20:45:22 08/22/07 (5)
- RE: Maury Cab & His Amazing 20-Year Placebo - morricab 01:53:29 08/23/07 (4)
- Morricab: King Of The Fake Strawman Alerts. - Posy Rorer 14:51:01 08/23/07 (3)
- Sorry to intrude on this piece of fireworks, but ... - fas 16:48:19 08/24/07 (1)
- RE: Sorry to intrude on this piece of fireworks, but ... - Posy Rorer 07:58:00 08/25/07 (0)
- RE: Morricab: King Of The Fake Strawman Alerts. - morricab 02:08:28 08/24/07 (0)
- Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - clarkjohnsen 10:43:55 08/16/07 (11)
- RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - morricab 02:56:00 08/17/07 (10)
- RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - Posy Rorer 08:53:13 08/17/07 (9)
- RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - morricab 02:59:04 08/20/07 (6)
- RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - Posy Rorer 16:06:51 08/20/07 (5)
- RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - morricab 01:25:45 08/21/07 (4)
- RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - Posy Rorer 21:34:40 08/22/07 (3)
- RE: Your (and my) antagonist likes to shoot loaded words, he finds them *powerful*. - morricab 01:44:43 08/23/07 (2)
- The double-edged sword of psychological self-delusion. - Posy Rorer 10:15:51 08/23/07 (1)
- RE: The double-edged sword of psychological self-delusion. - morricab 02:14:18 08/24/07 (0)
- "You're why I don't miss Jim Austin." Oh, BURN! - clarkjohnsen 08:58:16 08/17/07 (1)
- RE: "You're why I don't miss Jim Austin." Oh, BURN! - morricab 04:09:28 08/20/07 (0)
- RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - morricab 02:24:55 08/16/07 (1)
- RE: The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. Part 1 of "The Enlightened Audiophile" Lectures - Posy Rorer 12:34:20 08/16/07 (0)
- "The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. " A myth , huh? - soulfood 19:55:28 08/14/07 (10)
- RE: ""The Myth of (the importance of) Level-Matching in Listening Tests. " A myth , huh?" Yup. A myth. - Posy Rorer 23:11:20 08/14/07 (9)
- False supposition or kicking silly up a notch. - soulfood 04:38:55 08/15/07 (8)
- So it looks like we both agree that SPL metering is silly and unnecessary. Finally, someone who gets it! - Posy Rorer 08:11:32 08/15/07 (7)
- "We're the only two here who can?!" Noop. Maybe you missed my comment below: - clarkjohnsen 09:59:15 08/15/07 (1)
- Yup, I missed 'em. - Posy Rorer 19:31:22 08/15/07 (0)
- A SPL meter is a test instrument, casual listening is entertainment. - soulfood 09:11:40 08/15/07 (4)
- Also, don't forget that a fork is a utensil, and a PS2 is a video game. - Posy Rorer 22:06:47 08/15/07 (3)
- "All audio tests are subjective, including DBTs." This stands between us. - soulfood 08:24:25 08/16/07 (2)
- Not a fan of facts, eh? - Posy Rorer 10:16:45 08/16/07 (1)
- Of course, your math teacher has my empathy. (nt) - soulfood 10:54:04 08/16/07 (0)
- BS! What is "known" has by definition been proven.... - Ugly 13:53:32 08/14/07 (2)
- Ask yourself why you feel so threatened by my experiences. - Posy Rorer 18:40:23 08/14/07 (1)
- Always the low road with you, eh Posy? - Ugly 20:46:51 08/14/07 (0)
- I disagree... - mkuller 11:57:52 08/14/07 (5)
- I agree (with your experiences). - Posy Rorer 17:52:37 08/14/07 (3)
- What I failed to mention... - mkuller 10:29:19 08/17/07 (0)
- Reminds me of... - mkuller 11:32:09 08/15/07 (1)
- RE: Reminds me of... - Posy Rorer 18:01:48 08/15/07 (0)
- RE: I disagree... - thetubeguy1954 14:32:21 08/14/07 (0)
- Propeller Head Plaza: Non-technical and unscientific discussion of amps, cables and other psychiatric woes nt - AJinFLA 11:03:02 08/14/07 (7)
- RE: You are back with bang eh... - theaudiohobby 13:32:26 08/14/07 (5)
- RE: You are back with bang eh... - AJinFLA 12:07:19 08/15/07 (0)
- RE: You are back with bang eh... - andy_c 15:59:18 08/14/07 (3)
- Hey, if you want to get off, let the conductor know - kerr 16:30:45 08/14/07 (2)
- RE: Hey, if you want to get off, let the conductor know - andy_c 18:31:19 08/14/07 (1)
- RE: Hey, if you want to get off, let the conductor know - kerr 04:51:50 08/15/07 (0)
- Kind of weak - not even a question whether original poster owns a stereo? N/T - carcass93 13:05:54 08/14/07 (0)
- Cannot Totally Agree with This One....... - Todd Krieger 11:01:59 08/14/07 (2)
- RE: Cannot Totally Agree with This One....... - Posy Rorer 17:15:38 08/14/07 (0)
- The best reason to level-match - kerr 11:24:27 08/14/07 (0)
- Anything other than knee-jerk reactions? - Posy Rorer 10:28:05 08/14/07 (29)
- Posy, lighten up, dude... - rlw 12:23:49 08/14/07 (26)
- Let's get real - the problem is that - geoffkait 06:12:50 08/15/07 (25)
- 3 strikes and you're out! - rlw 09:38:56 08/15/07 (24)
- I love it when you feign indignation and outrage. LOL nt - geoffkait 10:35:05 08/15/07 (0)
- "The stuff you peddle doesn't do shit." Another lie. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:47:04 08/15/07 (22)
- Tell us all about YOUR system, Clarke... - rlw 10:05:03 08/15/07 (21)
- Well? Well? We're waiting. I answered your big question, and... and...? nt - clarkjohnsen 10:47:21 08/16/07 (0)
- While ordinarily one needn't respond to hostile posters... - clarkjohnsen 12:14:35 08/15/07 (19)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 03:08:13 08/16/07 (18)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 07:15:42 08/20/07 (15)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 10:51:50 08/20/07 (6)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 01:48:10 08/22/07 (5)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 05:07:57 08/22/07 (4)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 08:42:43 08/22/07 (3)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 09:08:58 08/22/07 (2)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 01:54:49 08/23/07 (1)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - geoffkait 03:07:53 08/23/07 (0)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - Posy Rorer 07:34:30 08/20/07 (7)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 09:01:29 08/20/07 (6)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - Posy Rorer 00:39:07 08/21/07 (5)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 01:54:18 08/22/07 (4)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - Posy Rorer 16:16:25 08/22/07 (3)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 01:58:44 08/23/07 (2)
- The morricab Crabwalk - Posy Rorer 09:09:19 08/23/07 (1)
- RE: The morricab Crabwalk - morricab 02:17:20 08/24/07 (0)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - kerr 07:11:10 08/16/07 (1)
- "Audio is about reading and seeing." And there you have it! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:46:12 08/16/07 (0)
- Yes, I am "an audiophile like you" but one with logics & sense. - cheap-Jack 12:05:31 08/14/07 (0)
- Are you not "defensive" on the great "lecture" you gave us ? - cheap-Jack 11:07:15 08/14/07 (0)
- Hey, if you are happy, that's the bottom line, so why the attack on "level matchers?" - Enophile 09:48:17 08/14/07 (3)
- Because I am challenging the idea of the importance of matching levels, that's why. - Posy Rorer 16:38:33 08/14/07 (2)
- Posy, you are great. Please do not take disagreement as disparagement.... - Enophile 19:13:56 08/14/07 (1)
- That's okay Eno, I didn't. - Posy Rorer 21:37:39 08/14/07 (0)
- Agreed, in general. One learns to listen through. In fact... - clarkjohnsen 09:48:02 08/14/07 (0)
- ZZZzzzzzzzz.. curtain lectures again..... (long..) - cheap-Jack 09:27:24 08/14/07 (0)
- No valid methodology, no data, no proof. - Pat D 07:29:13 08/14/07 (20)
- What part of "audio isn't about "proving" things, it's about learning things" did you not understand, Pat? - Posy Rorer 18:04:45 08/14/07 (5)
- RE: What part of "audio isn't about "proving" things, it's about learning things" did you not understand, Pat? - morricab 07:18:05 08/20/07 (1)
- How to fool yourself into thinking you're not fooling yourself. - Posy Rorer 01:38:16 08/21/07 (0)
- Still no valid methodology, no data, no proof. - Pat D 13:09:55 08/15/07 (1)
- RE: Still no valid methodology, no data, no proof. - Posy Rorer 21:40:34 08/16/07 (0)
- "audio isn't about 'proving' things, it's about learning things." And there you have it! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:36:28 08/15/07 (0)
- No proof to whom? - mkuller 11:50:45 08/14/07 (1)
- RE: No proof to whom? - Pat D 12:53:52 08/15/07 (0)
- No doubt about it! - rlw 08:14:06 08/14/07 (4)
- "Notice, no personal attacks." (20:07:43) "Considering the source..." (07:29:13) That lasted for12 hours. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:31:15 08/14/07 (2)
- Correcting someone's boo-boos is "personal attacks" ???? - cheap-Jack 11:14:24 08/14/07 (0)
- Merely a mild jest... - rlw 09:55:13 08/14/07 (0)
- RE: No doubt about it! - Pat D 09:01:36 08/14/07 (0)
- Oh, you probably mean no methodology approved by JJ, no? LOL - geoffkait 07:57:20 08/14/07 (6)
- Geoff, anything of substance to add to the discussion? - rlw 14:21:36 08/14/07 (1)
- Bucking for promotion from troll to stalker? nt - geoffkait 14:35:14 08/14/07 (0)
- jj who? - Pat D 09:00:16 08/14/07 (3)
- RE: jj who? - geoffkait 11:29:10 08/14/07 (2)
- Geoff, anything of substance to add to the discussion? - rlw 14:22:43 08/14/07 (1)
- I was hoping you were only a - geoffkait 14:36:52 08/14/07 (0)
- I'm guessing the perception of the sound quality is being affected... - rlw 06:41:53 08/14/07 (25)
- RE: I'm guessing the perception of the sound quality is being affected... - Posy Rorer 11:32:55 08/14/07 (12)
- Off topic - I would be careful about copying CD, giving it to a friend, and especially TELLING about it. N/T - carcass93 12:57:34 08/14/07 (5)
- He said he would copy "part of a tune"... - rlw 13:24:32 08/14/07 (4)
- It's purely technical, and I don't care anyway, but see quote inside: - carcass93 13:41:32 08/14/07 (3)
- Don't get too excited. You misunderstood what I meant by "original". - Posy Rorer 16:49:06 08/14/07 (2)
- Don't worry, sources of my excitement are pretty far removed from these pages. - carcass93 17:35:59 08/14/07 (1)
- RE: Don't worry, sources of my excitement are pretty far removed from these pages. - Posy Rorer 18:44:08 08/14/07 (0)
- Count me in! - rlw 12:37:47 08/14/07 (1)
- RE: Count me in! - Posy Rorer 17:28:23 08/15/07 (0)
- Not true... - rlw 12:10:09 08/14/07 (3)
- RE: Not true... - Posy Rorer 17:00:38 08/14/07 (2)
- I don't know why... - rlw 09:56:18 08/15/07 (1)
- RE: I don't know why... - Posy Rorer 19:07:45 08/15/07 (0)
- Didn't you get the memo? We've already established that hearing and perception are the same thing! - geoffkait 07:35:44 08/14/07 (11)
- What do you mean we, paleface? - rlw 08:11:47 08/14/07 (10)
- A statement so true, it goes without saying. -nt - Posy Rorer 18:42:08 08/14/07 (0)
- Still hung up on semantics, eh? Surprise, surprise. nt - geoffkait 10:50:44 08/14/07 (7)
- Geoff, anything of substance to add to the discussiion? - rlw 13:31:16 08/14/07 (6)
- Audio Associates grad speaks out! LOL - geoffkait 14:01:08 08/14/07 (1)
- Geoff, anything of substance to add to the discussion? - rlw 14:19:08 08/14/07 (0)
- Stroll on! - clifff 13:48:58 08/14/07 (3)
- Better brush up on your sarcasm; contact rlw for pointers. LOL - geoffkait 14:03:37 08/14/07 (2)
- Geoff, anything of substance to add to the discussion? - rlw 14:20:36 08/14/07 (0)
- I'm British. I can do sarcasm. that wasn't it. nt - clifff 14:09:57 08/14/07 (0)
- Exactly! Aptly put. - Enophile 09:50:29 08/14/07 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 01:54:18 08/22/07 (4)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - Posy Rorer 16:16:25 08/22/07 (3)
- RE: "Evidence from dozens of ears" - morricab 01:58:44 08/23/07 (2)
- The morricab Crabwalk - Posy Rorer 09:09:19 08/23/07 (1)
- RE: The morricab Crabwalk - morricab 02:17:20 08/24/07 (0)
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