Been trying to design an 80Hz M=.6 midbass folded horn extending to 500Hz+ with an EVM15L. I'm getting a conflict with the various design approaches. Edgar advocates Keele's optimum throat size, which puts the throat in the 80si range, while Leach's is in the 30-36si ballpark (just winging these numbers from memory). The 15L fh is around 344, according to Keele/Edgar. With Leach, it comes out to 700Hz+.I keep seeing discussions stating a minimum length horn of 1/4 wavelength of fL, which for 80Hz, would be about 42 inches. Leach's throat size calcalates this length. However, using Edgar's throat size, the horn is only around 32 inches.
What gives? What are the tradeoffs between the design approaches?
Also, Leach says to reactance annul the driver around 60Hz. Doubt it.
I remember reading in the "Show Horn" article that Edgar expressed doubts about Leach's formulas, but they do bring about proper length. Edgar also thought "a" (Vas/Vb) was an independently adjustable parameter, and seemed to be able to annul anyway.
It would seem the shorter horn of Edgar would cause reflections and roughness as compared to the Leach model. Also, doesn't a smaller throat help extend fh? It would seem important to extend up as high as possible to cross over to a compression driver.
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Topic - Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - pooge 13:48:05 06/07/03 (51)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - tomservo 17:54:30 06/07/03 (50)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - pkell44 13:42:25 06/08/03 (2)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - tomservo 17:14:39 06/09/03 (0)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - Michaelz 15:42:41 06/08/03 (0)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - pooge 20:14:55 06/07/03 (46)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - tomservo 13:47:53 06/08/03 (45)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - pkell44 14:25:38 06/09/03 (0)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - pooge 16:09:48 06/08/03 (43)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - tomservo 08:01:40 06/09/03 (39)
- Mathematical models - Wayne Parham 15:32:24 06/09/03 (33)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - tomservo 17:10:27 06/09/03 (32)
- Right driver for the job. - Roland 08:59:54 06/10/03 (10)
- Re: Right driver for the job. - tomservo 10:22:26 06/10/03 (9)
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- Re: back EMF and horn loading - tomservo 07:15:46 06/11/03 (6)
- Re: back EMF and horn loading - pooge 09:15:28 06/11/03 (5)
- Re: back EMF and horn loading - tomservo 12:26:56 06/11/03 (4)
- started new thread - pooge 14:39:46 06/11/03 (0)
- Re: back EMF peaking in the bottom octave - Wayne Parham 13:42:22 06/11/03 (2)
- Re: back EMF, peaks, horn loading and matched source - tomservo 16:10:18 06/11/03 (1)
- Re: back EMF, horn loading and matched source - Wayne Parham 17:38:55 06/11/03 (0)
- Resolution vs SPL?? - Roland 07:11:45 06/11/03 (0)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - Paul Eizik 20:11:24 06/09/03 (20)
- Putland - Wayne Parham 02:03:46 06/10/03 (7)
- Re: Putland - Paul Eizik 15:31:12 06/10/03 (1)
- Re: Putland - Wayne Parham 16:09:20 06/10/03 (0)
- Re: Putland - tomservo 09:44:53 06/10/03 (4)
- Re: Putland - Wayne Parham 13:40:54 06/10/03 (3)
- Re: Putland - tomservo 15:39:52 06/10/03 (2)
- Re: Putland - Wayne Parham 16:15:24 06/10/03 (1)
- Re: Putland - tomservo 17:18:43 06/10/03 (1)
- "Folk lore math" - Wayne Parham 00:47:09 06/11/03 (0)
- Re: Leach throat size vs. Keele/Edgar size - pooge 23:24:35 06/09/03 (10)
- Re: Optimum... - Paul Eizik 19:26:08 06/10/03 (2)
- Whoops again - pooge 04:54:26 06/11/03 (0)
- Re: Optimum... - pooge 04:28:15 06/11/03 (0)
- Re: Paul E. & Pooge - tomservo 08:22:10 06/10/03 (5)
- Re: Paul E. & Pooge - pooge 09:15:43 06/10/03 (2)
- Re: Paul E. & Pooge - tomservo 09:58:23 06/10/03 (1)
- Re: Paul E. & Pooge - pooge 10:56:53 06/10/03 (0)
- Excellent! - Horny 09:12:02 06/10/03 (0)
- Sounds interesting<nt> - pooge 08:51:44 06/10/03 (0)
- Whoops! - pooge 08:12:58 06/10/03 (0)
- Anyone know Le for EVM15L? - pooge 11:57:50 06/09/03 (0)
- Anyone know Le for EVM15L? - pooge 11:48:22 06/09/03 (3)
- Re: Anyone know Le for EVM15L? - Horny 19:25:34 06/09/03 (2)
- Re: Anyone know Le for EVM15L? - pooge 23:45:07 06/09/03 (1)
- Re: Anyone know Le for EVM15L? - Horny 04:59:37 06/10/03 (0)
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- Re: Any problems with using the Altec A4 horn for 80-500Hz? - tomservo 17:26:09 06/09/03 (1)
- Re: Fun days!! - Roland 07:28:13 06/10/03 (0)