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In Reply to: RE: mildy disagree ... posted by Robert C. Lang on June 29, 2012 at 00:00:47:
>>It is real tough, if not meaningfully possible to limit a discussion to comparisons of the "very best, highly refined, and setup vinyl systems".<<
Most people in this hobby simply don't understand that any description describing the "very best" vinyl ... is simply a throw about phrase based only on ones personal expectation level, simply a reference to his/her experience ... and therefore ... that term can NEVER be used as a general benchmark for everyone.
What you consider the very best, I might consider ... ?
Your "very best", when it comes to vinyl replay, might be my ... "good enough".
Let me provide an example: My turntable is an 80's design that was well ahead of it's time in terms of overall build quality, particularly in terms of mass & rigidness. During it's time, it was regarded as a premium product, even more expensive than the fabled LP12 for which it was in direct competition. If built today, it's asking price would most likely reflex current production pricing, probably ~ $6k. That's just the table, the arm, cart and isolation platform (much understood, yet so very important) would raise the cost yet another $5k. I estimate my analog rigs value - in terms of build quality & performance - at around $13k, yet it routinely blows away 'tables at near or over that price, and I've heard nothing in the "budget" world that compares.
Question: How is it possible that a "old" 'table who's original asking price was set at around $2.5k more, than 22 years ago, could compete with the better far more expensive 'tables built today?
Answer: Initial superior build quality, and just as important, advanced refinement & setup based on a *true* understanding of turntable physics.
Look, $13k, in the turntable world today doesn't even approach the "very best" in terms of both cost and performance. However, based on my personal expectations, it's easily "good enough".
And trust me, my "good enough" is a benchmark that very few achieve, despite the fact that there are 'tables out-there that have vastly superior sonic potential (I've heard my fair share). They, in turn, represent my "very best" ... based on personal experience.
Perceived performance and it's judgement, is really just a matter of perspective based on actual experience within the hobby.
>>(Translation: Very Expensive, cost does matter in vinyl playback.)<<
Cost does indeed matter, because cost should and often does represent potential performance. Therefore, if you have a superior table with a compromised setup, you'll get a sound that reflects that situation. It does not mean that any inexpensive budget based table, with all it's inherited flaws based on cost cutting measures ... perfectly setup ... will outperform a superior table that requires refinement.
Analog doesn't work that way!
tb1
*true* ... most people, even ardent vinyl addicts, don't comprehend the inner workings of a turntable. They tend to simplify things to it's basic common denominator, which is simply a revolving tool. They don't understand that the turntable is the KEY to any analog rig true performance potential. Case in point, simply look at the vast number of people @VA who consider the cartridge just as important or more as the 'table, when in actuality, the cartridge potential performance is slaved first and foremost - to quality of both the arm and the turntable.
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- what's considered the "very best"? - TBone 07:20:48 06/30/12 (0)
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